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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMSNBC: What is Trump prepared to offer in exchange for a border wall?
LINKIve always thought it created a danger that he would trade almost anything in order to get the wall I think thats still a potential danger, said Mark Krikorian, the executive director of the Center for Immigration Studies, a group that argues for less immigration. Im still worried about that now.
From a conservative perspective, those concerns are well grounded. Democrats really dont want to spend billions of taxpayer dollars on a giant, ineffective border wall, so if Trump were try to come up with an offer designed to entice them, hed have to propose something that would be (a) enormous; and (b) wildly unpopular among Republicans.
And this got me thinking: what exactly would it take? What would a borderline-desperate president put on the table to sway Democrats?
We offered Wall for Clean DACA in 2017 and he balked. I doubt he has anything else we want.
Shrike47
(6,913 posts)Demovictory9
(32,320 posts)still_one
(91,945 posts)Algernon Moncrieff
(5,780 posts)Given that there aren't enough votes to impeach, Trump and Pence hear that offer and tell Pelosi & Schumer to pound sand. Then what? Federal workers aren't getting paid, which means they will walk off of the job soon. Air Traffic will become very problematic. Federal prisons need to be guarded. The National Parks will become a free-for-all. SNAp won't get funded.
Meanwhile, Trump DGAF, and neither do his enablers.
Power 2 the People
(2,437 posts)ProudMNDemocrat
(16,481 posts)But as long as this shutdown continues, the Trump Party will suffer greatly from now on until Nov. 2020.
jcgoldie
(11,582 posts)...but I'd do it for universal medicare in a heartbeat.
at140
(6,110 posts)Because without a wall, tRump knows he loses in 2020 for failing to keep a campaign promise.
Vinca
(50,168 posts)PeeJ52
(1,588 posts)He couldn't object. He'd already promised them during the campaign. We don't care if they are being audited.
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)The main reason we are in this current jam is because he promised that Mexico would pay for the wall, and they told him to go eat a bag of dicks.
Atticus
(15,124 posts)likely be dealing with federal agents at my door. Suffice it to say that, given that most here agree with Speaker Pelosi that the wall is "immoral---not who we are", the real question might be: "Do we REALLY believe in ANYTHING?"
UTUSN
(70,496 posts)No way Nancy Pelosi is going to give in to hostage taking. Not happening, and it shouldn't. Give him money this way and he'll just be back for another installment next time we need another vote to keep the government open.
I think this clearly demonstrates we need a law to end the practice of eating ourselves from within with hostage taking government shutdowns so a party or a president can shove legislation down the opposition party's throat when they don't have the necessary majorities to do so. That's a key purpose of our Constitutional Republic form of government in the first place. If Congress and the President can't agree on something, the present level of government funding should be maintained until they do agree. This is nothing but pure Republican bullshit, is hurting many innocent people, and needs to be stopped once and for all.
UTUSN
(70,496 posts)Chris WALLACE did it to Senator COONS, skipping right past NO WALL on to what-if-SHITLER-gives-you-whatever?!1
ooky
(8,885 posts)To me its the most important aspect of all. Instead, a whole lot of botherism that is both false and totally misses the point.
If we had a law to prevent this shutting down of the government, the end result of this would be nobody missing paychecks and no wall money. That thought in itself dismisses the spin about who is taking hostages, for those pushing the false narratives.
Soxfan58
(3,479 posts)Protecting pre existing conditions. Not a promise of one.
Buckeyeblue
(5,491 posts)Maybe have some sort of language that the law is guaranteed for 10 years.
Maybe combine it with a reproductive rights bill as well.
tavernier
(12,322 posts)JUST WHAT DO YOU PEOPLE WANT FROM HIM???
HASNT HE SUFFERED ENOUGH???
standingtall
(2,785 posts)Democrats should except no less than a clean daca bill plus medicare for all, roll back GOP tax cuts, and the absolute end of work requirements for snap benefits and health insurance. He would have to get republicans in the senate to pass all of this up front, because we all know his word is worth nothing.
EleanorR
(2,374 posts)It's the only way he gets his wall and moves a step closer to obtaining the powers of those he so admires, erdogan, xi, putin...
And of course the republicans are facilitating this power grab by refusing to vote in the Senate.
displacedtexan
(15,694 posts)No. Wall. Ever.
awesomerwb1
(4,256 posts)Founded by John Tanton. Eugenecist and white supremacist. It's amazing to me how "legitimate" those organizations have become to the MSM.
FAIR, CIS, NumbersUSA all founded by the same guy.
Interesting article here: https://splinternews.com/the-eugenicist-doctor-and-the-vast-fortune-behind-trump-1827322435
GWC58
(2,678 posts)Its my way, or the highway! Compromise is not in Trumps vocabulary.😳
MurrayDelph
(5,279 posts)Trump does not believe in win-win. In his mind, he only wins of the other side got completely screwed.
Mr. Ected
(9,670 posts)But give us a clean DACA bill, universal (single payer) health care, and roll back those tax cuts, and we'll give you $10B for your stinking wall.
And of course when the inevitable takes place and Trump and Pence are surrounded by 4 impenetrable walls with no one Russian to get them out of jail alive, the new Dem president simply undoes the damage wrought by her predecessor, saying that we are using Trump's "destroy everything Obama created" as our template for change moving forward.
Kashkakat v.2.0
(1,752 posts)its determined that beefing up physical barriers, as part of a comprehensive border security upgrade, is determined to be a wise thing to do, then ok lets get a cost estimate plus details of a comprehensive plan. But no, you don't get a few billion do do whatever the frig you want with it.
I would like to see dem leaders getting more specific about what needs to be done and should be done ... or by what process this will be determined.
subterranean
(3,427 posts)There is no evidence that an expensive new border wall would significantly curb illegal immigration, illegal drugs or anything else. If trump asked for funding for an impartial, objective study on the most effective ways to improve border security, including possibly a wall of some kind, I don't think we'd have a problem with that. But I agree, to hand him $5.7 billion for a wall, with no concrete plans, just because he demands it would be extremely irresponsible. If we give in now, he'll demand even more the next time a government funding bill comes up.