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Sun Jan 13, 2019, 01:50 PM

MSNBC: What is Trump prepared to offer in exchange for a border wall?

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Of course, Trump could try a more conventional approach to negotiating, in which he offered something tangible that Democrats want in exchange for what he wants. In fact, some on the right are concerned the president may eventually do exactly that. The New York Times published a quote the other day that stood out for me:

ďIíve always thought it created a danger that he would trade almost anything in order to get the wall Ė I think thatís still a potential danger,Ē said Mark Krikorian, the executive director of the Center for Immigration Studies, a group that argues for less immigration. ďIím still worried about that now.Ē


From a conservative perspective, those concerns are well grounded. Democrats really donít want to spend billions of taxpayer dollars on a giant, ineffective border wall, so if Trump were try to come up with an offer designed to entice them, heíd have to propose something that would be (a) enormous; and (b) wildly unpopular among Republicans.

And this got me thinking: what exactly would it take? What would a borderline-desperate president put on the table to sway Democrats?


We offered Wall for Clean DACA in 2017 and he balked. I doubt he has anything else we want.

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Reply MSNBC: What is Trump prepared to offer in exchange for a border wall? (Original post)
Algernon Moncrieff Jan 2019 OP
Shrike47 Jan 2019 #1
Palisade Jan 2019 #6
Demovictory9 Jan 2019 #28
still_one Jan 2019 #2
Algernon Moncrieff Jan 2019 #4
Power 2 the People Jan 2019 #16
ProudMNDemocrat Jan 2019 #3
jcgoldie Jan 2019 #5
at140 Jan 2019 #7
Vinca Jan 2019 #8
PeeJ52 Jan 2019 #9
Dave Starsky Jan 2019 #20
Atticus Jan 2019 #10
UTUSN Jan 2019 #11
ooky Jan 2019 #22
UTUSN Jan 2019 #24
ooky Jan 2019 #30
Soxfan58 Jan 2019 #12
Buckeyeblue Jan 2019 #21
tavernier Jan 2019 #13
standingtall Jan 2019 #14
EleanorR Jan 2019 #15
displacedtexan Jan 2019 #17
awesomerwb1 Jan 2019 #18
GWC58 Jan 2019 #19
MurrayDelph Jan 2019 #23
Mr. Ected Jan 2019 #25
Kashkakat v.2.0 Jan 2019 #26
subterranean Jan 2019 #31
Demovictory9 Jan 2019 #27
demosincebirth Jan 2019 #29

Response to Algernon Moncrieff (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2019, 01:52 PM

1. Roll back on the tax cut would be a start.

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Response to Shrike47 (Reply #1)

Sun Jan 13, 2019, 02:02 PM

6. +1! nt

 

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Response to Shrike47 (Reply #1)

Sun Jan 13, 2019, 04:37 PM

28. National.voting rights law

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Response to Algernon Moncrieff (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2019, 01:52 PM

2. That both Trump and Pence resign. I will accept that deal

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Response to still_one (Reply #2)

Sun Jan 13, 2019, 01:58 PM

4. OK, so let's play that out

Given that there aren't enough votes to impeach, Trump and Pence hear that offer and tell Pelosi & Schumer to pound sand. Then what? Federal workers aren't getting paid, which means they will walk off of the job soon. Air Traffic will become very problematic. Federal prisons need to be guarded. The National Parks will become a free-for-all. SNAp won't get funded.

Meanwhile, Trump DGAF, and neither do his enablers.

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Response to still_one (Reply #2)

Sun Jan 13, 2019, 02:41 PM

16. +1000

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Response to Algernon Moncrieff (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2019, 01:58 PM

3. Trump will not offer anything in return, no matter our wishes he do so.....


But as long as this shutdown continues, the Trump Party will suffer greatly from now on until Nov. 2020.

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Response to Algernon Moncrieff (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2019, 02:00 PM

5. The problem is the symbolism of the wall not the $5.7 billion...

...but I'd do it for universal medicare in a heartbeat.

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Response to jcgoldie (Reply #5)

Sun Jan 13, 2019, 02:03 PM

7. Astute observation!

Because without a wall, tRump knows he loses in 2020 for failing to keep a campaign promise.

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Response to Algernon Moncrieff (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2019, 02:07 PM

8. Trump "negotiations" amount to him getting whatever he wants and you get squat.

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Response to Algernon Moncrieff (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2019, 02:13 PM

9. I was just thinking of this today. Tax returns for the last 10 years.

 

He couldn't object. He'd already promised them during the campaign. We don't care if they are being audited.

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Response to PeeJ52 (Reply #9)

Sun Jan 13, 2019, 03:45 PM

20. He has made continuous promises over time.

The main reason we are in this current jam is because he promised that Mexico would pay for the wall, and they told him to go eat a bag of dicks.

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Response to Algernon Moncrieff (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2019, 02:22 PM

10. If I posted my first gut reaction to "what would it take?", I'd be tombstonesd here and

likely be dealing with federal agents at my door. Suffice it to say that, given that most here agree with Speaker Pelosi that the wall is "immoral---not who we are", the real question might be: "Do we REALLY believe in ANYTHING?"

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Response to Algernon Moncrieff (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2019, 02:22 PM

11. Note to MSRNC: you don't get that we're not paying RANSOM for the wall!

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Response to UTUSN (Reply #11)

Sun Jan 13, 2019, 03:51 PM

22. Bingo!

No way Nancy Pelosi is going to give in to hostage taking. Not happening, and it shouldn't. Give him money this way and he'll just be back for another installment next time we need another vote to keep the government open.

I think this clearly demonstrates we need a law to end the practice of eating ourselves from within with hostage taking government shutdowns so a party or a president can shove legislation down the opposition party's throat when they don't have the necessary majorities to do so. That's a key purpose of our Constitutional Republic form of government in the first place. If Congress and the President can't agree on something, the present level of government funding should be maintained until they do agree. This is nothing but pure Republican bullshit, is hurting many innocent people, and needs to be stopped once and for all.

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Response to ooky (Reply #22)

Sun Jan 13, 2019, 04:15 PM

24. Yip, the talking heads are browbeating Dem guests, "What are you willing to take for the wall?!1"

Chris WALLACE did it to Senator COONS, skipping right past NO WALL on to what-if-SHITLER-gives-you-whatever?!1






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Response to UTUSN (Reply #24)

Sun Jan 13, 2019, 04:53 PM

30. Near zero focus by M$M on the hostage taking aspect.

To me its the most important aspect of all. Instead, a whole lot of botherism that is both false and totally misses the point.

If we had a law to prevent this shutting down of the government, the end result of this would be nobody missing paychecks and no wall money. That thought in itself dismisses the spin about who is taking hostages, for those pushing the false narratives.

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Response to Algernon Moncrieff (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2019, 02:25 PM

12. A law passed!

Protecting pre existing conditions. Not a promise of one.

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Response to Soxfan58 (Reply #12)

Sun Jan 13, 2019, 03:50 PM

21. That would be worth thinking about

Maybe have some sort of language that the law is guaranteed for 10 years.

Maybe combine it with a reproductive rights bill as well.

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Response to Algernon Moncrieff (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2019, 02:25 PM

13. He already gave up golf at Christmas.

JUST WHAT DO YOU PEOPLE WANT FROM HIM???
HASNíT HE SUFFERED ENOUGH???

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Response to Algernon Moncrieff (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2019, 02:29 PM

14. He will not offer anything but if he did

Democrats should except no less than a clean daca bill plus medicare for all, roll back GOP tax cuts, and the absolute end of work requirements for snap benefits and health insurance. He would have to get republicans in the senate to pass all of this up front, because we all know his word is worth nothing.

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Response to Algernon Moncrieff (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2019, 02:35 PM

15. He'll wait until people are even more desperate and then declare a NE

It's the only way he gets his wall and moves a step closer to obtaining the powers of those he so admires, erdogan, xi, putin...

And of course the republicans are facilitating this power grab by refusing to vote in the Senate.

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Response to Algernon Moncrieff (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2019, 02:47 PM

17. Wrong question.

No. Wall. Ever.

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Response to Algernon Moncrieff (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2019, 03:17 PM

18. CIS is a hate group

Founded by John Tanton. Eugenecist and white supremacist. It's amazing to me how "legitimate" those organizations have become to the MSM.
FAIR, CIS, NumbersUSA all founded by the same guy.

Interesting article here: https://splinternews.com/the-eugenicist-doctor-and-the-vast-fortune-behind-trump-1827322435



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Response to Algernon Moncrieff (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2019, 03:21 PM

19. Nothing! Not a damn thing.

ďItís my way, or the highway!Ē Compromise is not in Trumpís vocabulary.😳

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Response to Algernon Moncrieff (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2019, 04:08 PM

23. Nothing

Trump does not believe in win-win. In his mind, he only wins of the other side got completely screwed.

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Response to Algernon Moncrieff (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2019, 04:32 PM

25. Hypothetically, because I'm staunchly opposed to anything that would greenlight the wall

But give us a clean DACA bill, universal (single payer) health care, and roll back those tax cuts, and we'll give you $10B for your stinking wall.

And of course when the inevitable takes place and Trump and Pence are surrounded by 4 impenetrable walls with no one Russian to get them out of jail alive, the new Dem president simply undoes the damage wrought by her predecessor, saying that we are using Trump's "destroy everything Obama created" as our template for change moving forward.

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Response to Algernon Moncrieff (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2019, 04:33 PM

26. WHO CARES - this isnt a lets-make-a-deal game show. If its a bad idea, then no means no - IF however

its determined that beefing up physical barriers, as part of a comprehensive border security upgrade, is determined to be a wise thing to do, then ok lets get a cost estimate plus details of a comprehensive plan. But no, you don't get a few billion do do whatever the frig you want with it.

I would like to see dem leaders getting more specific about what needs to be done and should be done ... or by what process this will be determined.

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Response to Kashkakat v.2.0 (Reply #26)

Sun Jan 13, 2019, 05:03 PM

31. That's a very reasonable position.

There is no evidence that an expensive new border wall would significantly curb illegal immigration, illegal drugs or anything else. If trump asked for funding for an impartial, objective study on the most effective ways to improve border security, including possibly a wall of some kind, I don't think we'd have a problem with that. But I agree, to hand him $5.7 billion for a wall, with no concrete plans, just because he demands it would be extremely irresponsible. If we give in now, he'll demand even more the next time a government funding bill comes up.

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Response to Algernon Moncrieff (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2019, 04:36 PM

27. Dems get scotus pick

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Response to Algernon Moncrieff (Original post)

Sun Jan 13, 2019, 04:41 PM

29. i would not trust him to keep his word on any deal he makes, seriously,

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