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Mon Jan 14, 2019, 12:31 PM

*How long* can Trump/McConnell keep the shutdown going?

It seems like, politically, he and the Republicans in Congress are taking a beating on this issue and it's only going to get worse for them. The shutdown now has gone on longer than any previous ones. And it's over something that Trump wants that the public doesn't. What will be their tipping point? *What* will get McConnell/GOP to force a vote and potential override vote to (fully) re-open our government? Trump says that this may last "months or years" but there's no way *that* can happen...........is there?

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Reply *How long* can Trump/McConnell keep the shutdown going? (Original post)
Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2019 OP
zipplewrath Jan 2019 #1
Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2019 #2
AlexSFCA Jan 2019 #3
book_worm Jan 2019 #4
CrispyQ Jan 2019 #5
malaise Jan 2019 #6
mnhtnbb Jan 2019 #12
malaise Jan 2019 #18
bdamomma Jan 2019 #21
LonePirate Jan 2019 #15
Arazi Jan 2019 #17
LonePirate Jan 2019 #28
Arazi Jan 2019 #35
lark Jan 2019 #24
marylandblue Jan 2019 #27
TrishaJ Jan 2019 #25
gratuitous Jan 2019 #7
malaise Jan 2019 #19
bdamomma Jan 2019 #22
Mme. Defarge Jan 2019 #26
Joe941 Jan 2019 #8
bdamomma Jan 2019 #9
lunatica Jan 2019 #13
bdamomma Jan 2019 #16
malaise Jan 2019 #20
kimbutgar Jan 2019 #33
beachbum bob Jan 2019 #10
bdamomma Jan 2019 #23
0rganism Jan 2019 #11
lunatica Jan 2019 #14
LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jan 2019 #29
clutterbox1830 Jan 2019 #30
kimbutgar Jan 2019 #31
SKKY Jan 2019 #32
Thomas Hurt Jan 2019 #34
Tracyjo Jan 2019 #36
Baltimike Jan 2019 #38
kairos12 Jan 2019 #37

Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 12:36 PM

1. Uncharted

We don't really know. They seem to make up rules as they go along to avoid the more catastrophic consequences. Probably the most reasonable conclusion is that it will be over when "Wall Street" wants it to be over. Alternately, a natural disaster or terrorist incident could force congress to act.

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Response to zipplewrath (Reply #1)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 12:41 PM

2. You're probably right

I sure as heck hope it doesn't come to that.

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 12:45 PM

3. months, easily

they would also be totally fine of not paying back furloughed workers.

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 12:46 PM

4. Until it really begins to hurt them politically

even more so than it is right now. That said it could be weeks or longer.

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 12:50 PM

5. No way to know.

Trump is loyal to Trump. That is all. He does not care about the 1%. He does not care about the market. He cares about Trump & making money & keeping his ass out of jail, in that order. If his base stays solidly behind him, & a good number of them will because they will blame the democrats for the shutdown, Trump will take the whole thing down. He doesn't give one shit about anyone but himself.

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 12:51 PM

6. As soon as the sick outs start and airports close

this shit will end

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Response to malaise (Reply #6)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 01:32 PM

12. Air Traffic Controllers and TSA

stage a walk out. Damn thing will end.

Two people--two fu*king people--Trump and McConnell--have shut down this government. That is not even close to democracy. Forget the Republic.

If this were France, those two fu*kers would be gone and the government would be open for normal looting by Republicans.

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Response to mnhtnbb (Reply #12)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 01:52 PM

18. Make them pay

for their white supremacist wall.

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Response to mnhtnbb (Reply #12)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 01:59 PM

21. well unfortunately

this is not another European country and this will be done as well as a pResident who wrongs his people.

But you ever wonder if this filthy regime would just like to privatize everything even airlines.

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Response to malaise (Reply #6)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 01:44 PM

15. I agree. When flying becomes a hassle or impossible for Congress, it will end.

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Response to LonePirate (Reply #15)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 01:48 PM

17. And impossible for Trump and his criminal family and traitorous minions

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Response to Arazi (Reply #17)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 03:32 PM

28. Does his family fly commercial? Congress does but I wasn't sure about his spawn.

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Response to LonePirate (Reply #28)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 10:05 PM

35. If theres no air traffic controllers, nobody flies

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Response to malaise (Reply #6)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 02:11 PM

24. I was going to post this, but then thought, I bet someone else already did.

Voila!

I totally agree that airport closures will do the trick because their funders will revolt and that's all the repug party is about - big $$$. Drumpf and McTurtle want this to continue because PUtin told them to do this and because it allows Russia to hack into voter databases more easily with FEC shuttered and because it stops prosecution of drumpfs criminal enterprises and family, outside of Mueller.

So, to answer the question, this shutdown is going to continue until important airports close and that could take months.

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Response to lark (Reply #24)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 03:26 PM

27. Only 3 airports matter, Reagan, Dulles and Baltimore-Washington.

If they close down or there are three-hour delays on Friday, the shutdown could end next week.

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Response to malaise (Reply #6)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 03:09 PM

25. Yep. And when people don't get their tax

refunds.

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 12:55 PM

7. I'd hate to predict

I didn't think McConnell could hold up the Merrick Garland nomination for as long as he did, and I was dead wrong about that. Considering the interconnectedness between McConnell and the White House (McConnell's wife is the Secretary of Transportation, and is almost surely using that position to advance her family's fortunes), McConnell has no incentive to make the government work while he and his wife are busy looting the Treasury.

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Response to gratuitous (Reply #7)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 01:53 PM

19. True



Let me add that this is different because while he controlled the Garland decision-making, citizens facing hardship may soon control this one.

add

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Response to gratuitous (Reply #7)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 02:01 PM

22. Mitch

has been screwing the government for a while for his own greedy pleasures.

Ask Kentuckians if he ever did anything good for the people. Why do they keep on voting this scum in?

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Response to gratuitous (Reply #7)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 03:17 PM

26. I don't think blocking a Supreme Court nomination

has the same political downside as a government shutdown that hurts his own voters. Because of that I believe (and desperately hope) that this monstrous abuse of government employees and U.S. taxpayers will end within a week or two, if not sooner.

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 01:07 PM

8. The problem is the shutdown is really affecting only a small number of people...

 

I can honestly say it hasn't changed anything in my life. None. So who really does it affect?

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 01:10 PM

9. Our national parks

are getting a beating, I think there are some who are totally losing their souls, and losing their moral compass.

Why take it on a National Parks? Vandalism and cutting down trees why is that????

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Response to bdamomma (Reply #9)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 01:38 PM

13. Ann Coulter says god gave us the planet and we can rape it if we like

I actually saw her say this. She waved her arms and tossed her hair around in emphasis when she said it, with her eyes bulging out to add effect. She said it as if she was quoting god.

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Response to lunatica (Reply #13)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 01:48 PM

16. Ann Coulter

that piece of waste.

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Response to bdamomma (Reply #16)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 01:54 PM

20. John Edwards used to call her the she devil

and that was mild

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Response to lunatica (Reply #13)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 03:42 PM

33. How i'd ove to take a pair of scissors to that hair of hers!

A little snip snip here and there forcing her to cut it short, she would be one ugly man without that hair.

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 01:25 PM

10. Couple more weeks, maybe longer. Depends on GOP senate defections

 

McConnel has to placed in full GOP senate revolt. Dems have to stand firm.

Make trump proud of his shutdown.

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Response to beachbum bob (Reply #10)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 02:03 PM

23. it is Trumps shutdown

I wish we could keep playing that Dec. 11th farce in the Oval Office when Pence was asleep and Schumer and Pelosi were there.

He owned it and said it. I would keep on playing that if I worked for the media.

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 01:31 PM

11. how long does Vladimir Putin want the shutdown to last?

we're about to find out the answer, any month now...

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Response to 0rganism (Reply #11)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 01:39 PM

14. As long as it takes to destroy our Democratic government.

However long that takes.

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 03:37 PM

29. Eventually government workers will find other jobs. They'll have to.

But other than low-paying service jobs, who's going to hire someone who could leave the moment that Trump/McConnell declare victory and end the shutdown?

Those workers with the skills to get good paying permanent jobs are not coming back, and our government will be weaker because of it.

Just as Putin wanted.

Mission accomplished.

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 03:39 PM

30. A month or 2 tops if I had to guess, but I think they will cave before that timeframe

If it last more than a month

TSA and air traffic controllers will no longer show up for work creating havoc to travel.
Secret service will no longer show up for work and Trump will no longer be able to travel.
No tax refunds will be returned and no one will check if taxes are collected.
Guards at federal prison will report to work.
Stock markets will fall with lack of productive and income.
Water and electricity will eventually be turn off even for Washington.
The list goes on.

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 03:39 PM

31. The Democrats should be running ads against McConnell right now in blaming him for the shutdown

In Kentucky. And asking, does he support Putinís puppet in the White House?

Also expose him and his wife profiting off our government.

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 03:42 PM

32. Unfortunately, it will probably take something tragic...

...or the Republicans to grow a set. I can tell you where my bets are placed.

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 04:09 PM

34. until people die in large numbers, plane crash, salmonella outbreak.

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 10:15 PM

36. Ask Putin

Maybe he'll know. :

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Response to Tracyjo (Reply #36)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 10:16 PM

38. this. nt

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Original post)

Mon Jan 14, 2019, 10:15 PM

37. They won't end it. Drumpt's base will never leave him and the Senate Rehthugs

are scared shitless of them. This is the new normal. Dems have empathy, the Reich Wing none. That trait is our greatest asset and weakness.

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