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Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand enters the Democrats 2020 presidential race with a pitch that puts gender front and center
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2019/01/15/sen-kirsten-gillibrand-enters-the-democrats-2020-presidential-race-with-a-pitch-that-puts-gender-front-and-center/?utm_term=.ef7973f3cbbb
gender based pitch?
Way to rub in the entire Franken debacle, Kirsten... Yes, she has done some good things on that score and there are important issues to be addressed (sexual assault in military and college campuses--as well as on capitol hill) but....
sdfernando
(4,896 posts)She will not have my support in the primaries...and only grudgingly if she ends up being the Democratic nominee.
hlthe2b
(101,699 posts)Perfectly said.
demmiblue
(36,742 posts)I think I will put her on the "Auto-trash by Keyword" list... totally not interested in reading about her.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)She definitely has my enthusiastic support and vote if she makes it to the General. She took a courageous stand on sexual violence in some major institutions when other politicians had their head in the sand on that issue.
WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)I do like Harris a lot. There is a long way to go and others will enter. Harris and Gillibrand speak very well for the left side of the spectrum.
trueblue2007
(17,138 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)polishing her brand for something else. Surely she doesn't expect to get the nomination? She's already lucked-it into the U.S. Senate, but maybe she wants to sell a book or put herself in running for a cabinet post or at most VP?
WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)President Eisenhower proudly identified himself as one.
As a matter of fact, remember that Senator Warren is one. She was a Republican all her life, right through Reaganism, but she finally walked as her party abandoned conservatism for its current strange social and economic extremism. However, Warren's socially liberal credentials are very well established, unlike Senator Gillebrand's, whose voting record before she entered the senate includes some positions that do not reflect liberal Democratic values -- unlike Senator Warren's. Gillebrand was no kid when making those votes, either.
It's not that Gillebrand, in an environment that has exposed her to liberal points of view more than perhaps she once was, could not have grown. I'd guess she almost certainly has. But Senator Gillibrand also now represents a predominantly liberal state, not a rather conservative district. I'd just really like to see what she did if she did not have to worry about being reelected before I decided that her move left has..."stuck."
So, for me as a solid liberal "no" to using the presidency to find out who she is when we have so many good liberal progressive choices. If a female progressive senator is what is desired, both Senators Kamala Harris's and Warren's lifelong progressive records easily have hers beat.
WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)And is one of our most progressive senators. You did not negate that. She ranks up with the likes of Warren, Sanders and Harris.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Raven123
(4,714 posts)hlthe2b
(101,699 posts)Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)And less than 5 minutes after Gillibrand. Harris was also the first to go on TV about it.
msdogi
(430 posts)so, no.
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)I support those who support Democrats in the primary
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)At 3:20
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)not just Tweeden.
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)this is the last time I will talk to you about this.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)and provide links.
Ill stand with the Me Too movement and believe women until evidence is provided that they are lying.
BTW It is disingenuous to imply that Gillibrand (and over 30 other Senators) called for Frankens resignation after only Tweedens accusation because they didnt. It was only after 7 other women came forward, including a former Democratic staffer.
brooklynite
(93,834 posts)...have I missed anyone?
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)She called for the allegations to be investigated by the Senate Ethics Committee, like the way it should be. So score a point for her in my book.
And who says I'm putting my immediate support for anyone else who called for his resignation? So please abandon that specious argument.
And remember that Gillibrand led the charge and she embraces that distinction. She doesn't deserve absolution on this.
Of course, whoever is the Democratic candidate in 2020 gets my support, that doesn't mean they deserve my support during primary season.
brooklynite
(93,834 posts)She acknowledged that she talked to him privately. She also acknowledged that she "condemned his behavior" when the first allegations came out.
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)Yes, I wish Klobuchar was more vociferous in her defense of Franken, but her actions were more honorable than the stunt Gillibrand pulled.
brooklynite
(93,834 posts)But if having someone to hate makes life easier, knock yourself out.
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)They should own that decision and all the consequences that come with it.
brooklynite
(93,834 posts)wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)then let the chips fall where they may.
tammywammy
(26,582 posts)They chose Gillibrand to go first. This has gotten irrational.
Joe941
(2,848 posts)helpisontheway
(5,004 posts)aeromanKC
(3,307 posts)SCRUBDASHRUB
(7,252 posts)oasis
(49,150 posts)Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)MyOwnPeace
(16,887 posts)we can do better.
AlexSFCA
(6,137 posts)Id give her that
Moostache
(9,895 posts)Then again, in the wrong situation, either one can kill...one just more likely than the other, neither a good thing...
KG has shown she is willing to sacrifice a fellow Democrat on dubious basis and false, right-wing narratives. That is not going to be a winning hand...the cynic in me believes she is doing this to increase her personal power and name recognition and that kind of 'candidacy' needs to die on the vine fast and ugly.
Not a top 10 candidate in this cycle...
OnDoutside
(19,905 posts)Caliman73
(11,690 posts)We need to remember that.
I won't vote for her in the primary, but will certainly vote for her if she is the general election candidate.
It will be too tempting for Trump (if he is still in office) no to act like a complete sexist pig with her (or any other woman candidate) as his opponent.
dem4decades
(11,241 posts)TexasBushwhacker
(20,043 posts)dem4decades
(11,241 posts)TexasBushwhacker
(20,043 posts)She said that the $$$ she made defending them allowed her to do a lot of pro bono work.
Whatever...
dem4decades
(11,241 posts)Thanks for the info. I'm with you. What she says won't budge me.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)I worked for a defense contractor as a recently graduated anti-war engineering graduate. Being a liberal engineer was a feat back then, today it is more in vogue in the big tech centers in the country.
She came from a second tier political family (more rural). As a young lawyer she was hired by a company that represented a tobacco company. I seriously doubted that company made that known, same as the company that I hired into. So she gets assigned to tobacco cases as a twenty something attorney from a family of decent, but still modest means. As a young attorney, it is highly unlikely that she was the lead attorney, more likely a gofer.
Her only other choice to working on the case was to resign her job or search for a new job. Law firms like the one that she worked for were likely well connected, unless a partner was a family friend who went easy on her, her quitting would have ended her earnings prospects in that part of New York State, if not the whole state and the country. Some people dream about packing up a car and heading to California, reality is something else for a young lawyer or young engineer, or for any other young person in any profession.
dem4decades
(11,241 posts)lame54
(35,130 posts)She got played
Don't want a prez that can be played so easily
brush
(53,467 posts)dem4decades
(11,241 posts)Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)dem4decades
(11,241 posts)Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)dem4decades
(11,241 posts)Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)How so?
lame54
(35,130 posts)Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)And about 30 other Senators got played too.
lame54
(35,130 posts)Gillibrand brags about leading it
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)When? Where?
at140
(6,110 posts)I will hold my support until the debates, at the earliest.
suegeo
(2,571 posts)First time this Minnesotan ever heard of her was when she led the charge against Al.
Did she or any one even conduct basic background checks on the accusers, see if they got some rubles under the table?
Hard pass.
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)We have a lot of great potential candidates coming forward. She is not one of them.
dem4decades
(11,241 posts)Lotusflower70
(3,077 posts)A thousand times this. She lead the charge against my Senator. Pissed me right the fuck off.
a kennedy
(29,458 posts)I will NEVER forget what she did to my Senator, Al Franken. NEVER.
tavernier
(12,322 posts)X 1,000
marble falls
(56,353 posts)candidates so we can make a choice without compromising.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)earthshine
(1,642 posts)FU Gilli from this Bernie supporter and Franken fan.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)Why does he get a pass?
Response to Trumpocalypse (Reply #42)
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Moostache
(9,895 posts)Absent a complete admission from her that she helped weaken the Democratic Party by submarining Al Franken, she is dead to me.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,267 posts)In the extremely unlikely event that she gets the nomination I would vote for her over Trump or whatever other mutant the GOP might come up with, but I'm not worrying about having to do that.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,161 posts)...you'll be the very first one to be eliminated.
hlthe2b
(101,699 posts)SoCalDem
(103,856 posts)stonecutter357
(12,682 posts)fierywoman
(7,641 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)No.
Luciferous
(6,067 posts)regnaD kciN
(26,035 posts)..."Start up the 2020 campaign -- I've got a shot!!!"
aaaaaa5a
(4,667 posts)Klobachaur and Warren are better choices for a gender pitch
Vinca
(50,168 posts)AdamGG
(1,275 posts)customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)Signs in the crowd saying,
"You're not good enough, you're not smart enough, and doggone it, nobody likes you!"
drbtg1
(1,054 posts)Absolutely brilliant!
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)marlakay
(11,370 posts)She is worried Al is going to run for president. I think Al was thinking about it before all this started and I thought he would make a good one and Frannie lovely as a first lady.
I think she took him out of the running afraid he could beat her. I saw her as very cut throat.
I would have to hold nose to vote for her but i would if choice was her or any R.
Thankfully we arent the only ones who like Al. She thinks shes popular but thats in her state.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)Plus has she done anything to take down Warren (who also called for Franken to resign) or Sanders (who also called for Franken to resign) or Harris (who also called for Franken to resign)? Please provide links.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)Thats why I asked for them.
betsuni
(25,119 posts)"I think Al was thinking..." does not mean "Al was thinking...." Obviously there are no links to what one is thinking.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)Is followed by series of accusations that demonize someone, they are obligated to back up their accusations with some facts otherwise it is slander.
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)I showed them Link to tweet
" target="_blank">this link poking holes in all the accusation, and the poster simply refuses to address them. Don't waste your time.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)First Im seeing this link.
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)But you were too busy sealioning to notice.
And yes, I broke my previous promise to ignore you. I'll pray ten Hail Marys.
betsuni
(25,119 posts)Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)I missed that. Let me review.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)My apologies. I must have miscommunicated. I meant a link from a credible source, not someones Twitter. That is not a credible source. He makes a case against Tweeden but falls flat with the other 7 women.
betsuni
(25,119 posts)You see it everywhere: the constant nagging for links and then completely ignoring them when they are available, throwing one logical fallacy after another into a discussion to waste time. But at least the lurkers reading forums like this can see who is living in a fact-based world and who isn't and listen to the former.
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)Here are some facts. Other than Tweeden Franken was accused by 7 other women and there is evidence to support that any were lying. Another fact, Franken himself never accused any of them of lying and apologized several times. And one last fact, Franken choose to resign. No one held a gun to his head to force him to.
betsuni
(25,119 posts)I DEMAND LINKS!
Trumpocalypse
(6,143 posts)https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/12/7/16742170/al-franken-resigns-accusations
https://abcnews.go.com/US/sen-al-frankens-accusers-accusations-made/story?id=51406862
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/11/kirsten-gillibrand-al-franken-2020-election.html
WeekiWater
(3,259 posts)Long way to go.
ecstatic
(32,566 posts)Either way, I'm not interested in her candidacy. Next!
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)dem4decades
(11,241 posts)kimbutgar
(20,871 posts)Never will forgive her for what she did to Al Franken.
But if she is up against th orange maggot I will surely vote for her!
TheFarseer
(9,308 posts)Hope this is a non-starter for everyone else too. Will women respond to her candidacy?
brooklynite
(93,834 posts)...but it would be nice if the haters could come up with something other than "Franken", since the average Democratic voter won't be thinking about that for a minute.
hlthe2b
(101,699 posts)I think more people know at least some of that story than you might think and for many, it resonated.
The sense of unfairness and notion there may have been RW dirty tricks at play rankled an awful lot of people. Kirsten's unapologetic and even defiant attitude in interviews following Franken's resignation did not paint a particularly attractive portrait of her or her judgement and leadership.
Add to that her comments attacking Bill Clinton, when she'd earlier defended him (whether right or wrong) have lead many to think her an opportunist.
Those impressions are hard to forget.
Horizens
(637 posts)Have you read the comments in this thread?
Lotusflower70
(3,077 posts)Hard pass especially since she went after my Senator. It still pisses me off thinking about that.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)Quixote1818
(28,903 posts)I should do that. I want to reach that conclusion naturally. It of course won't change my vote in the general election against a Republican but it's a turnoff in the primaries.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)in order to scalp Al Frankena real fighter for women and everyoneharmed Al, harmed us and makes a mockery of actual Feminism and #metoo.
phylny
(8,352 posts)If she's the nominee, I'll vote for her. I hope she's not our nominee.
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)Stinky The Clown
(67,669 posts)Franken: Never Forget
aikoaiko
(34,127 posts)drbtg1
(1,054 posts)After all, they both led the charge against effective Progressives and both helped shape the MSM narrative to force other politicians to fall in line against said effective Progressives.
No, no, no. I've seen this movie before.
Joe-mentum indeed!
(Oh, and before I get accused by some possible Russian operative of misogyny, let me said I'm very glad the Progressives have a vast and DIVERSE field of potential candidates, any of which would be far superior, incredibly qualified, and less divisive.)
intheozone
(1,102 posts)vote for her, but not happily. Will never forget or forgive what she did to Senator Franken.