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hlthe2b

(101,699 posts)
Tue Jan 15, 2019, 07:23 PM Jan 2019

**Breaking** Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand enters Democrat's 2020 presidential race with gender pitch

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Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand enters the Democrats’ 2020 presidential race with a pitch that puts gender front and center


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2019/01/15/sen-kirsten-gillibrand-enters-the-democrats-2020-presidential-race-with-a-pitch-that-puts-gender-front-and-center/?utm_term=.ef7973f3cbbb

The New York Democrat, 52, who won reelection in 2018 after being appointed to fill Hillary Clinton’s seat in 2009, is jumping into the Democrats’ crowded primary field. Gillibrand has been outspoken about fighting sexual assault in the military and on college campuses, repealing the military’s policy of “don’t ask, don’t tell,” and making it easier for Capitol Hill staffers to report their experiences of being sexually harassed or assaulted.



gender based pitch?
Way to rub in the entire Franken debacle, Kirsten... Yes, she has done some good things on that score and there are important issues to be addressed (sexual assault in military and college campuses--as well as on capitol hill) but....
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**Breaking** Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand enters Democrat's 2020 presidential race with gender pitch (Original Post) hlthe2b Jan 2019 OP
I couldn't care less what kind of pitch she made sdfernando Jan 2019 #1
I think this will be the case for nearly all of us--certainly for me. She will be rudely awakened. hlthe2b Jan 2019 #2
+1 MontanaMama Jan 2019 #4
Same. demmiblue Jan 2019 #9
If she makes her case better than the others, she has my vote in the primary. Blue_true Jan 2019 #10
I'm with you on this. WeekiWater Jan 2019 #60
What you said dfernando: I couldn't care less what kind of pitch won't have my support either. trueblue2007 Jan 2019 #50
Her conservative history makes me wonder if she's not Hortensis Jan 2019 #3
She is one of the most solid progressives in the senate. NT WeekiWater Jan 2019 #61
Sure, WeekiWater. America's had many progressive conservatives. Hortensis Jan 2019 #120
She has a record to run on... WeekiWater Jan 2019 #121
Having a record to examine is a huge plus with me too. Hortensis Jan 2019 #125
Saw snippets of Sen. Harris questioning Barr today. For me Sen. Gillibrand has an uphill climb Raven123 Jan 2019 #5
Yup... Harris is incredibly impressive. hlthe2b Jan 2019 #6
Harris called on Franken to resign too Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #69
Al Franken msdogi Jan 2019 #7
She believed this birther over Franken wellst0nev0ter Jan 2019 #28
And here's Tweeden spreading the Shirley Sherrod lie wellst0nev0ter Jan 2019 #35
No she believed the 7 other women Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #41
Prove they are telling the truth wellst0nev0ter Jan 2019 #49
Prove they are lying Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #59
So we've knocked out Harris, Sanders, Booker, Brown, Klobuchar... brooklynite Jan 2019 #89
Klobuchar did not actually call on Franken to resign wellst0nev0ter Jan 2019 #95
Wrong - she just didn't say it publicly brooklynite Jan 2019 #96
That's not remotely the same as what Gillibrand did wellst0nev0ter Jan 2019 #103
From what I recall, the Senate Women decided this jointly... brooklynite Jan 2019 #107
They were wrong wellst0nev0ter Jan 2019 #109
But of course, only Gillibrand gets the blame. brooklynite Jan 2019 #110
If that's the consequence of her decision wellst0nev0ter Jan 2019 #114
Everyone seems to forget that the whole thing was coordinated. tammywammy Jan 2019 #116
This is the correct answer. Joe941 Jan 2019 #123
Not getting my vote unless she is the nominee..nt helpisontheway Jan 2019 #8
Who? aeromanKC Jan 2019 #11
No thanks. SCRUBDASHRUB Jan 2019 #12
Looking foward to debates. Haven't been impressed so far. oasis Jan 2019 #13
Yawn Sherman A1 Jan 2019 #14
Waaa...waa was that???? Nevermind.... Crutchez_CuiBono Jan 2019 #26
nope. MyOwnPeace Jan 2019 #15
she is way better than tulsi AlexSFCA Jan 2019 #16
Skin cancer can be better than pancreatic cancer too... Moostache Jan 2019 #30
Ouch! OnDoutside Jan 2019 #38
She is not my first, or 10th choice. She is however better than the best Republican. Caliman73 Jan 2019 #17
Did she work for big tobacco? dem4decades Jan 2019 #18
Yup. Phillip Morris TexasBushwhacker Jan 2019 #43
She didn't defend them did she? That would be a big no for me. dem4decades Jan 2019 #44
Yes TexasBushwhacker Jan 2019 #46
So you only can do pro bono work if you defend corporations that kill people? I didn't know that. dem4decades Jan 2019 #48
I will vote for her in the primary if she makes her case. Blue_true Jan 2019 #83
Good info. Thanks. Still unhappy about Franken. dem4decades Jan 2019 #84
Duped by Roger Stone and Sean Hannity... lame54 Jan 2019 #19
Yep, we've already got one of those. brush Jan 2019 #40
She didn't get played, I believe it was her agenda. And I didn't like it. dem4decades Jan 2019 #52
Her agenda? Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #62
Yep. dem4decades Jan 2019 #63
How so? Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #65
Call me George Soros. dem4decades Jan 2019 #68
Hi George! Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #70
Either way lame54 Jan 2019 #77
I guess Harris, Warren, Sanders Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #64
They did but... lame54 Jan 2019 #78
Brags? Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #80
It will be an uphill climb for her at140 Jan 2019 #20
She stuck a shiv into Franken suegeo Jan 2019 #21
Exactly. I feel the same. Dave Starsky Jan 2019 #32
Is there a place in Minnesota for Al in politics? I'd vote for him for President. dem4decades Jan 2019 #53
This Lotusflower70 Jan 2019 #86
Me as well, won't primary vote for her.....and will hold my nose IF she is the nominee. a kennedy Jan 2019 #111
Harris. tavernier Jan 2019 #22
meh. I value Al Franken a whole lot more. Fortunately we have a wide range of great ... marble falls Jan 2019 #23
... MoonRiver Jan 2019 #24
DU is remarkably united against Gilli. Typically, we only totally unite against the GOP. earthshine Jan 2019 #25
Sanders also called for Franken's resignation Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author shanny Jan 2019 #71
No sale...a weak back bencher with a dubious history? Pass. Moostache Jan 2019 #27
Nope. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2019 #29
Swell, Kirsten, but please understand... TheCowsCameHome Jan 2019 #31
No... second out (after Tulsi Gabbard) hlthe2b Jan 2019 #33
yawn....nt SoCalDem Jan 2019 #34
lol ! stonecutter357 Jan 2019 #36
No. Just no. fierywoman Jan 2019 #37
Sorry. cwydro Jan 2019 #39
No Luciferous Jan 2019 #45
Somewhere, Jill Stein is opening a bottle of champagne... regnaD kciN Jan 2019 #47
I will NOT be voting for her. NT aaaaaa5a Jan 2019 #51
Nope LW1977 Jan 2019 #54
I can't imagine what would get me to vote for her in the primary. Vinca Jan 2019 #55
I hope she gets harsh comments re Al Franken at every event she hosts AdamGG Jan 2019 #56
What would be funny is customerserviceguy Jan 2019 #73
Brilliant! drbtg1 Jan 2019 #76
:D /nt LongtimeAZDem Jan 2019 #88
From the moment she took Al down I thought marlakay Jan 2019 #57
Any links to prove any of that? Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #72
Where did they say there were links???? nt USALiberal Jan 2019 #75
They didn't Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #79
When a person says "I thought" and "I think" about something, this is called an opinion. betsuni Jan 2019 #90
But when "I think " Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #93
Ignore the poster wellst0nev0ter Jan 2019 #98
Really when? Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #102
Here wellst0nev0ter Jan 2019 #106
Oh, that looks entertaining! betsuni Jan 2019 #108
My apologies Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #112
Really? Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #117
Thanks, I know, waste of time. betsuni Jan 2019 #105
Facts? Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #118
LINKS! betsuni Jan 2019 #119
Sure! Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #124
Currently at the top of my list with Harris. WeekiWater Jan 2019 #58
On a side note, is it normal to squeeze the age in like that? ecstatic Jan 2019 #66
Pass. shanny Jan 2019 #67
Looking forward to NOT voting for her and donating to someone running against her. nt USALiberal Jan 2019 #74
Great idea. I'll sign it Al Franken. dem4decades Jan 2019 #81
I'll pass on supporting her. kimbutgar Jan 2019 #82
Yuck TheFarseer Jan 2019 #85
I don't have an opinion on Gillibrand as a Presidential candidate... brooklynite Jan 2019 #87
Not so sure about that. Franken was well liked on a national level & his departure was a loss hlthe2b Jan 2019 #97
Open your eyes Horizens Jan 2019 #115
Nope Lotusflower70 Jan 2019 #91
Yawn EffieBlack Jan 2019 #92
This is a mistake. I want to vote for a women more than a man this round but don't want to be told Quixote1818 Jan 2019 #94
That opportunistic SEXISM bandwagon she whipped up BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2019 #99
Sorry, she's last on my list. Dead last. phylny Jan 2019 #100
She's an opportunist. Harris all the way!!!! octoberlib Jan 2019 #101
F:NF Stinky The Clown Jan 2019 #104
I'm interested in seeing how she deals with the Franken issue. aikoaiko Jan 2019 #113
Let me guess, Joe Lieberman is in the running to be campaign manager. drbtg1 Jan 2019 #122
I will never support her. If she wins primary, will intheozone Jan 2019 #126

sdfernando

(4,896 posts)
1. I couldn't care less what kind of pitch she made
Tue Jan 15, 2019, 07:26 PM
Jan 2019

She will not have my support in the primaries...and only grudgingly if she ends up being the Democratic nominee.

hlthe2b

(101,699 posts)
2. I think this will be the case for nearly all of us--certainly for me. She will be rudely awakened.
Tue Jan 15, 2019, 07:27 PM
Jan 2019

demmiblue

(36,742 posts)
9. Same.
Tue Jan 15, 2019, 07:34 PM
Jan 2019

I think I will put her on the "Auto-trash by Keyword" list... totally not interested in reading about her.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
10. If she makes her case better than the others, she has my vote in the primary.
Tue Jan 15, 2019, 07:39 PM
Jan 2019

She definitely has my enthusiastic support and vote if she makes it to the General. She took a courageous stand on sexual violence in some major institutions when other politicians had their head in the sand on that issue.

 

WeekiWater

(3,259 posts)
60. I'm with you on this.
Tue Jan 15, 2019, 09:13 PM
Jan 2019

I do like Harris a lot. There is a long way to go and others will enter. Harris and Gillibrand speak very well for the left side of the spectrum.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
3. Her conservative history makes me wonder if she's not
Tue Jan 15, 2019, 07:29 PM
Jan 2019

polishing her brand for something else. Surely she doesn't expect to get the nomination? She's already lucked-it into the U.S. Senate, but maybe she wants to sell a book or put herself in running for a cabinet post or at most VP?

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
120. Sure, WeekiWater. America's had many progressive conservatives.
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 06:42 AM
Jan 2019

President Eisenhower proudly identified himself as one.

As a matter of fact, remember that Senator Warren is one. She was a Republican all her life, right through Reaganism, but she finally walked as her party abandoned conservatism for its current strange social and economic extremism. However, Warren's socially liberal credentials are very well established, unlike Senator Gillebrand's, whose voting record before she entered the senate includes some positions that do not reflect liberal Democratic values -- unlike Senator Warren's. Gillebrand was no kid when making those votes, either.

It's not that Gillebrand, in an environment that has exposed her to liberal points of view more than perhaps she once was, could not have grown. I'd guess she almost certainly has. But Senator Gillibrand also now represents a predominantly liberal state, not a rather conservative district. I'd just really like to see what she did if she did not have to worry about being reelected before I decided that her move left has..."stuck."

So, for me as a solid liberal "no" to using the presidency to find out who she is when we have so many good liberal progressive choices. If a female progressive senator is what is desired, both Senators Kamala Harris's and Warren's lifelong progressive records easily have hers beat.

 

WeekiWater

(3,259 posts)
121. She has a record to run on...
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 09:19 AM
Jan 2019

And is one of our most progressive senators. You did not negate that. She ranks up with the likes of Warren, Sanders and Harris.

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
69. Harris called on Franken to resign too
Tue Jan 15, 2019, 09:22 PM
Jan 2019

And less than 5 minutes after Gillibrand. Harris was also the first to go on TV about it.

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
59. Prove they are lying
Tue Jan 15, 2019, 09:13 PM
Jan 2019

and provide links.

I’ll stand with the Me Too movement and believe women until evidence is provided that they are lying.

BTW It is disingenuous to imply that Gillibrand (and over 30 other Senators) called for Franken’s resignation after only Tweeden’s accusation because they didn’t. It was only after 7 other women came forward, including a former Democratic staffer.

 

wellst0nev0ter

(7,509 posts)
95. Klobuchar did not actually call on Franken to resign
Tue Jan 15, 2019, 10:37 PM
Jan 2019

She called for the allegations to be investigated by the Senate Ethics Committee, like the way it should be. So score a point for her in my book.


And who says I'm putting my immediate support for anyone else who called for his resignation? So please abandon that specious argument.

And remember that Gillibrand led the charge and she embraces that distinction. She doesn't deserve absolution on this.

Of course, whoever is the Democratic candidate in 2020 gets my support, that doesn't mean they deserve my support during primary season.

brooklynite

(93,834 posts)
96. Wrong - she just didn't say it publicly
Tue Jan 15, 2019, 10:40 PM
Jan 2019

She acknowledged that she talked to him privately. She also acknowledged that she "condemned his behavior" when the first allegations came out.

 

wellst0nev0ter

(7,509 posts)
103. That's not remotely the same as what Gillibrand did
Tue Jan 15, 2019, 10:55 PM
Jan 2019

Yes, I wish Klobuchar was more vociferous in her defense of Franken, but her actions were more honorable than the stunt Gillibrand pulled.

brooklynite

(93,834 posts)
107. From what I recall, the Senate Women decided this jointly...
Tue Jan 15, 2019, 11:02 PM
Jan 2019

But if having someone to hate makes life easier, knock yourself out.

tammywammy

(26,582 posts)
116. Everyone seems to forget that the whole thing was coordinated.
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 12:16 AM
Jan 2019

They chose Gillibrand to go first. This has gotten irrational.

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
30. Skin cancer can be better than pancreatic cancer too...
Tue Jan 15, 2019, 08:17 PM
Jan 2019

Then again, in the wrong situation, either one can kill...one just more likely than the other, neither a good thing...

KG has shown she is willing to sacrifice a fellow Democrat on dubious basis and false, right-wing narratives. That is not going to be a winning hand...the cynic in me believes she is doing this to increase her personal power and name recognition and that kind of 'candidacy' needs to die on the vine fast and ugly.

Not a top 10 candidate in this cycle...

Caliman73

(11,690 posts)
17. She is not my first, or 10th choice. She is however better than the best Republican.
Tue Jan 15, 2019, 07:45 PM
Jan 2019

We need to remember that.

I won't vote for her in the primary, but will certainly vote for her if she is the general election candidate.

It will be too tempting for Trump (if he is still in office) no to act like a complete sexist pig with her (or any other woman candidate) as his opponent.

dem4decades

(11,241 posts)
48. So you only can do pro bono work if you defend corporations that kill people? I didn't know that.
Tue Jan 15, 2019, 08:56 PM
Jan 2019

Thanks for the info. I'm with you. What she says won't budge me.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
83. I will vote for her in the primary if she makes her case.
Tue Jan 15, 2019, 10:09 PM
Jan 2019

I worked for a defense contractor as a recently graduated anti-war engineering graduate. Being a liberal engineer was a feat back then, today it is more in vogue in the big tech centers in the country.

She came from a second tier political family (more rural). As a young lawyer she was hired by a company that represented a tobacco company. I seriously doubted that company made that known, same as the company that I hired into. So she gets assigned to tobacco cases as a twenty something attorney from a family of decent, but still modest means. As a young attorney, it is highly unlikely that she was the lead attorney, more likely a gofer.

Her only other choice to working on the case was to resign her job or search for a new job. Law firms like the one that she worked for were likely well connected, unless a partner was a family friend who went easy on her, her quitting would have ended her earnings prospects in that part of New York State, if not the whole state and the country. Some people dream about packing up a car and heading to California, reality is something else for a young lawyer or young engineer, or for any other young person in any profession.

lame54

(35,130 posts)
19. Duped by Roger Stone and Sean Hannity...
Tue Jan 15, 2019, 07:49 PM
Jan 2019

She got played
Don't want a prez that can be played so easily

suegeo

(2,571 posts)
21. She stuck a shiv into Franken
Tue Jan 15, 2019, 07:56 PM
Jan 2019

First time this Minnesotan ever heard of her was when she led the charge against Al.

Did she or any one even conduct basic background checks on the accusers, see if they got some rubles under the table?

Hard pass.

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
32. Exactly. I feel the same.
Tue Jan 15, 2019, 08:23 PM
Jan 2019

We have a lot of great potential candidates coming forward. She is not one of them.

a kennedy

(29,458 posts)
111. Me as well, won't primary vote for her.....and will hold my nose IF she is the nominee.
Tue Jan 15, 2019, 11:09 PM
Jan 2019

I will NEVER forget what she did to my Senator, Al Franken. NEVER.

marble falls

(56,353 posts)
23. meh. I value Al Franken a whole lot more. Fortunately we have a wide range of great ...
Tue Jan 15, 2019, 07:57 PM
Jan 2019

candidates so we can make a choice without compromising.

 

earthshine

(1,642 posts)
25. DU is remarkably united against Gilli. Typically, we only totally unite against the GOP.
Tue Jan 15, 2019, 08:10 PM
Jan 2019

FU Gilli from this Bernie supporter and Franken fan.

Response to Trumpocalypse (Reply #42)

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
27. No sale...a weak back bencher with a dubious history? Pass.
Tue Jan 15, 2019, 08:13 PM
Jan 2019

Absent a complete admission from her that she helped weaken the Democratic Party by submarining Al Franken, she is dead to me.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,267 posts)
29. Nope.
Tue Jan 15, 2019, 08:15 PM
Jan 2019

In the extremely unlikely event that she gets the nomination I would vote for her over Trump or whatever other mutant the GOP might come up with, but I'm not worrying about having to do that.

regnaD kciN

(26,035 posts)
47. Somewhere, Jill Stein is opening a bottle of champagne...
Tue Jan 15, 2019, 08:54 PM
Jan 2019

..."Start up the 2020 campaign -- I've got a shot!!!"


customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
73. What would be funny is
Tue Jan 15, 2019, 09:39 PM
Jan 2019

Signs in the crowd saying,

"You're not good enough, you're not smart enough, and doggone it, nobody likes you!"

marlakay

(11,370 posts)
57. From the moment she took Al down I thought
Tue Jan 15, 2019, 09:10 PM
Jan 2019

She is worried Al is going to run for president. I think Al was thinking about it before all this started and I thought he would make a good one and Frannie lovely as a first lady.

I think she took him out of the running afraid he could beat her. I saw her as very cut throat.

I would have to hold nose to vote for her but i would if choice was her or any R.

Thankfully we aren’t the only ones who like Al. She thinks she’s popular but thats in her state.



 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
72. Any links to prove any of that?
Tue Jan 15, 2019, 09:27 PM
Jan 2019

Plus has she done anything to take down Warren (who also called for Franken to resign) or Sanders (who also called for Franken to resign) or Harris (who also called for Franken to resign)? Please provide links.

betsuni

(25,119 posts)
90. When a person says "I thought" and "I think" about something, this is called an opinion.
Tue Jan 15, 2019, 10:28 PM
Jan 2019

"I think Al was thinking..." does not mean "Al was thinking...." Obviously there are no links to what one is thinking.

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
93. But when "I think "
Tue Jan 15, 2019, 10:33 PM
Jan 2019

Is followed by series of accusations that demonize someone, they are obligated to back up their accusations with some facts otherwise it is slander.

 

wellst0nev0ter

(7,509 posts)
98. Ignore the poster
Tue Jan 15, 2019, 10:42 PM
Jan 2019

I showed them Link to tweet
" target="_blank">this link poking holes in all the accusation, and the poster simply refuses to address them. Don't waste your time.

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
117. Really?
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 05:34 AM
Jan 2019

My apologies. I must have miscommunicated. I meant a link from a credible source, not someone’s Twitter. That is not a credible source. He makes a case against Tweeden but falls flat with the other 7 women.

betsuni

(25,119 posts)
105. Thanks, I know, waste of time.
Tue Jan 15, 2019, 10:56 PM
Jan 2019

You see it everywhere: the constant nagging for links and then completely ignoring them when they are available, throwing one logical fallacy after another into a discussion to waste time. But at least the lurkers reading forums like this can see who is living in a fact-based world and who isn't and listen to the former.

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
118. Facts?
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 05:39 AM
Jan 2019

Here are some facts. Other than Tweeden Franken was accused by 7 other women and there is evidence to support that any were lying. Another fact, Franken himself never accused any of them of lying and apologized several times. And one last fact, Franken choose to resign. No one held a gun to his head to force him to.

ecstatic

(32,566 posts)
66. On a side note, is it normal to squeeze the age in like that?
Tue Jan 15, 2019, 09:18 PM
Jan 2019

Either way, I'm not interested in her candidacy. Next!

kimbutgar

(20,871 posts)
82. I'll pass on supporting her.
Tue Jan 15, 2019, 10:02 PM
Jan 2019

Never will forgive her for what she did to Al Franken.

But if she is up against th orange maggot I will surely vote for her!

brooklynite

(93,834 posts)
87. I don't have an opinion on Gillibrand as a Presidential candidate...
Tue Jan 15, 2019, 10:24 PM
Jan 2019

...but it would be nice if the haters could come up with something other than "Franken", since the average Democratic voter won't be thinking about that for a minute.

hlthe2b

(101,699 posts)
97. Not so sure about that. Franken was well liked on a national level & his departure was a loss
Tue Jan 15, 2019, 10:41 PM
Jan 2019

I think more people know at least some of that story than you might think and for many, it resonated.

The sense of unfairness and notion there may have been RW dirty tricks at play rankled an awful lot of people. Kirsten's unapologetic and even defiant attitude in interviews following Franken's resignation did not paint a particularly attractive portrait of her or her judgement and leadership.

Add to that her comments attacking Bill Clinton, when she'd earlier defended him (whether right or wrong) have lead many to think her an opportunist.


Those impressions are hard to forget.

Quixote1818

(28,903 posts)
94. This is a mistake. I want to vote for a women more than a man this round but don't want to be told
Tue Jan 15, 2019, 10:36 PM
Jan 2019

I should do that. I want to reach that conclusion naturally. It of course won't change my vote in the general election against a Republican but it's a turnoff in the primaries.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
99. That opportunistic SEXISM bandwagon she whipped up
Tue Jan 15, 2019, 10:44 PM
Jan 2019

in order to scalp Al Franken—a real fighter for women and everyone—harmed Al, harmed us and makes a mockery of actual Feminism and #metoo.

phylny

(8,352 posts)
100. Sorry, she's last on my list. Dead last.
Tue Jan 15, 2019, 10:44 PM
Jan 2019

If she's the nominee, I'll vote for her. I hope she's not our nominee.

drbtg1

(1,054 posts)
122. Let me guess, Joe Lieberman is in the running to be campaign manager.
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 09:44 AM
Jan 2019

After all, they both led the charge against effective Progressives and both helped shape the MSM narrative to force other politicians to fall in line against said effective Progressives.

No, no, no. I've seen this movie before.

Joe-mentum indeed!

(Oh, and before I get accused by some possible Russian operative of misogyny, let me said I'm very glad the Progressives have a vast and DIVERSE field of potential candidates, any of which would be far superior, incredibly qualified, and less divisive.)

intheozone

(1,102 posts)
126. I will never support her. If she wins primary, will
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 02:56 PM
Jan 2019

vote for her, but not happily. Will never forget or forgive what she did to Senator Franken.

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