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Wed Jan 16, 2019, 12:58 PM

Does Pelosi actually have the power to postpone the State of the Union?

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Reply Does Pelosi actually have the power to postpone the State of the Union? (Original post)
Raven Jan 2019 OP
Eliot Rosewater Jan 2019 #1
gopiscrap Jan 2019 #2
zipplewrath Jan 2019 #4
euphorb Jan 2019 #32
uponit7771 Jan 2019 #44
WeekiWater Jan 2019 #3
dlk Jan 2019 #5
sarisataka Jan 2019 #6
Cuthbert Allgood Jan 2019 #7
sarisataka Jan 2019 #19
Cuthbert Allgood Jan 2019 #24
sarisataka Jan 2019 #33
dalton99a Jan 2019 #11
The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2019 #8
Claritie Pixie Jan 2019 #9
Hekate Jan 2019 #10
dalton99a Jan 2019 #16
hack89 Jan 2019 #12
herding cats Jan 2019 #13
underpants Jan 2019 #31
herding cats Jan 2019 #35
lastlib Jan 2019 #14
dalton99a Jan 2019 #25
LongtimeAZDem Jan 2019 #15
peggysue2 Jan 2019 #17
democratisphere Jan 2019 #18
Midnightwalk Jan 2019 #20
EffieBlack Jan 2019 #21
LongtimeAZDem Jan 2019 #28
honest.abe Jan 2019 #22
Moostache Jan 2019 #26
honest.abe Jan 2019 #30
Moostache Jan 2019 #38
elocs Jan 2019 #23
maxsolomon Jan 2019 #27
LanternWaste Jan 2019 #34
Gothmog Jan 2019 #29
EffieBlack Jan 2019 #39
avebury Jan 2019 #36
Gothmog Jan 2019 #37
shanny Jan 2019 #40
Gothmog Jan 2019 #41
onenote Jan 2019 #42
haele Jan 2019 #46
onenote Jan 2019 #49
allgood33 Jan 2019 #43
Jose Garcia Jan 2019 #45
malaise Jan 2019 #47
MineralMan Jan 2019 #48

Response to Raven (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 12:59 PM

1. I will wait for the answer also, you know what power she does have?

She can tell the entire D party NOT to go and they would almost all if not all NOT GO!

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Response to Raven (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 12:59 PM

2. I don't think so,

but she can stop him from presenting it in the House of Representatives

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Response to gopiscrap (Reply #2)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 01:00 PM

4. This

She controls the House. He's required by the constitution to submit a report. He can give a speech anywhere he can get in.

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Response to zipplewrath (Reply #4)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 01:34 PM

32. Constitutionally, it doesn't even have to be a speech.

Prior to Woodrow Wilson (1913), presidents simply delivered a written report to Congress.

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Response to euphorb (Reply #32)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 04:15 PM

44. +1

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Response to Raven (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 01:00 PM

3. No. NT

 

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Response to Raven (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 01:02 PM

5. There's Direct Power and Indirect Power...

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Response to Raven (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 01:04 PM

6. No

The President
“shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient.” Article II, Section 3, Clause 1.


Prior to Woodrow Wilson it was very rare for a President to deliver the state of the union in person. A written message fulfills the Constitutional requirement.

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #6)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 01:05 PM

7. So, it's actually yes. He can write his message; she doesn't have to let him speak.

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #7)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 01:17 PM

19. He doesn't have to deliver it

In the House. He could tweet it and just have Pence deliver a transcript to Congress

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #19)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 01:27 PM

24. Yes. That is true. I'm just speaking to her power in the House.

I don't really think she would stop him from doing it, but maybe. I'm sure they are running polls on it to gauge the optics on that. Of course we know 31% of the population would lose their shit about it, but they have demonstrated they are beyond reaching.

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #24)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 01:34 PM

33. Yes she can deny

Him that platform and if she did the shitstorm would be epic.
Kinda makes me hope she tells him to go to hell

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #6)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 01:08 PM

11. +1. It's his job to submit a report. It's her right to tell him he can't make a speech in the House

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Response to Raven (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 01:06 PM

8. She can't stop him from making a speech, but she doesn't have to invite him

to do it before Congress. The SOTU is by invitation from the Speaker.

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Response to Raven (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 01:07 PM

9. As Speaker of the House, she INVITES the President to address Congress.

It is within her authority to postpone or ask for SOTU in written form. It is not up to Trump or the Senate.

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Response to Raven (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 01:08 PM

10. He's required by the Constitution to submit a report in writing. Speaking before the House...

...was not always done -- and depends on an invite from (wait for it) the Speaker of the House. She just disinvited him.

He can talk to cameras anywhere, but he craves a live audience like a junkie craves the next hit.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #10)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 01:11 PM

16. Hopefully he won't be able to spout this bullshit:

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Response to Raven (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 01:08 PM

12. The President cannot enter the House without her permission

the Constitution does not say where the SOTU has to be given. From Jefferson until Woodrow Wilson, there was not a speech - the president sent a letter.

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Response to Raven (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 01:08 PM

13. No, but as stated it doesn't have to be held in Congress and it needn't be verbal.

He can hold his own speech from the Oval Office if he likes, but there's no obligation for Pelosi permit Congress to host him.

So, essentially she was within her rights today to disinvite him.

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Response to herding cats (Reply #13)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 01:34 PM

31. He could just send this

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Response to underpants (Reply #31)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 01:51 PM

35. 🤣🤣

That cracked me up!

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Response to Raven (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 01:09 PM

14. The president is constitutionally required to give a SOTU report to Congress,

but the Constitution doesn't specify how it is delivered or received. Use of the House chamber for a presidential address is probably controlled by the Speaker, so pres is pretty much at Nancy's mercy there.

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Response to lastlib (Reply #14)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 01:28 PM

25. The Speaker controls the House Chamber

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Response to Raven (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 01:09 PM

15. I believe that the President has to be invited into the House to address a joint session

absent that invitation, he has no authority to do so.

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Response to Raven (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 01:15 PM

17. I think it's the venue . .

Pelosi controls power over. Trumpski must have her approval to enter/use the Chamber to deliver the speech. I heard someone say, Dems were trying to give Trump and his acolytes a heads up on what this shutdown means.

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Response to Raven (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 01:16 PM

18. Who the hell wants to LISTEN to drumpf lie about the State of the Union

when we already know the State of the Union is absolute SH'T! The USA is very insecure since drumpf took office!

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Response to Raven (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 01:19 PM

20. Constitutionally a speech to the house isn't required

From Wikipedia

Article II, Section 3, Clause 1 of the United States Constitution states that the president "shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient."[


Historically most reports were not in person

[link:https://history.house.gov/Institution/SOTU/State-of-the-Union/|]

ncluding President Donald J. Trump’s 2018 address, there have been a total of 95 in-person Annual Messages/State of the Union Addresses. Since President Woodrow Wilson’s 1913 address, there have been a total of 83 in-person addresses.


From the same site there are a couple of other required reports, but those don’t appear to be required to be in person

During the 20th century, Congress required more-specialized reports on these two aspects, separate from the Annual Message.

Budget Message, required by the National Budget and Accounting Act of 1921 (42 Stat. 20) to be delivered to Congress no more than two weeks after Congress convenes in January.
Economic Report, required by the Employment Act of 1946 (60 Stat. 23), with a flexible delivery date.

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Response to Raven (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 01:24 PM

21. She can't actually postpone it - the president can deliver it whenever he wishes

But she has full control over whether and when he can deliver it in person at HER House ...

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #21)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 01:32 PM

28. Exactly /nt

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Response to Raven (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 01:26 PM

22. The Moron is probably trying to come up with something that will one-up Pelosi.

Like maybe giving the SOTU at a sports stadium or at the National Mall like an inauguration event.

I doubt anything like that is doable but I bet that is what is in his mind right now.

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Response to honest.abe (Reply #22)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 01:30 PM

26. She should dare him...

Just show Trump thess images of Obama's 2008 acceptance of the nomination in Denver's Mile High Stadium:



Then dare him to do better in FedEx stadium...LOL.

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Response to Moostache (Reply #26)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 01:32 PM

30. That was a wonderful evening.

God I miss him.

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Response to honest.abe (Reply #30)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 02:15 PM

38. I miss the Obamas every single day too!

This has been a nightmare since November of 2016 and it just keeps getting worse...

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Response to elocs (Reply #23)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 01:31 PM

27. He was planning on extending the #Trumpshutdown till then to build up the ratings

Its all a reality-TV show to him. The SOTU was going to be a full-on White-Nationalist Campaign Speech.

"Utter Chaos", starring President Bullshit

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Response to elocs (Reply #23)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 01:42 PM

34. I think T is counting on giving the SOTU address to push his Little Wall Crisis.

I think T was counting on giving the SOTU address to push his Little Wall Crisis in front of a national audience watched by a cross of demographics he wouldn't otherwise get.

I also think no is arguing anything, let alone a simple rook for bishop move, is too good to be true.

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Response to Raven (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 01:32 PM

29. Pelosi can block the SOTU from being given to a joint session of congress

trump can give a SOTU from the Oval Office or some other location such a Mar-a-Lago

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #29)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 02:24 PM

39. And we've seen how well he does with Oval Office addresses ...

Madam Speaker put him in a box. Either he straightens up and flies right, or he doesn't get the huge national spotlight that she can provide a president.

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Response to Raven (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 01:59 PM

36. I don't know. She does have the power to prevent him from presenting it

in the House. She is smart to tie it to the Trump government closure. We all know that he would turn it into to a rant against the Democrats. While he is required to submit a report on the State of the Union, an argument could be made that the format of the report is not set in concrete. Let him turn it in as a written report.

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Response to Raven (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 02:00 PM

37. Yes, Speaker Pelosi has that power

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Response to Raven (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 02:46 PM

40. boy it will really chap his ass if he can't give a big speech in front of Congress.

They'd be his captive audience and he would LOVE it if they had to sit there while he blamed them.

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Response to Raven (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 03:49 PM

41. Pelosi: Trump Can Deliver SOTU 'From The Oval Office If He Wants'

trump's only oval office address was a bust. trump was flat. trump draws energy from crowds and audience. trump will not want to do an oval office address


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Response to Raven (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 04:04 PM

42. It's a bold move, but not without risk

Pelosi's stated grounds for suggesting that the delivery of the SOTU before a joint session in the House chamber be delayed are "security concerns". I guarantee you that Trump and his minions are working on getting DHS and the Secret Service to publicly state that they are confident that they can handle any security concerns Pelosi might have.

It will be tough for her to counter that message.

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Response to onenote (Reply #42)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 04:25 PM

46. Secret Service and DHS are not being paid right now. That's a security concern in itself.

She's perfectly within her rights to demand that the regular sworn federal security personnel they claim they can provide is not just being pulled out of furlough to be paid to do just this one event - that they've not be exposed to the duress of missing a paycheck and might be harboring resentment against either the Administration or "the Demz" that the administration has been demonizing since they took the house.

And she is also within her rights to set down the ground rules that no contractors, military personnel, or other persons who are not federal security employees trained as event security be used as a stop-gap for the SS and DHS employees who are working without pay. If he wants to waste government money hiring a group of Erik Princes mercenary mob thugs to provide security, he might as well get out to Riverside CA and hire a chapter of the Hell's Angels - that would be cheaper.

Claiming to be "confident" that the Administration and DHS can handle any "security concerns" Pelosi might have is not reassuring in the least.

Personally, if I were her, I'd want to ensure that the extra security component required to "protect the president" are normal, sworn security personnel who get a regular government paycheck and are dedicated to a functioning government as their employer, rather than personality, or religion, or political/issue based affiliation outside the Constitution.

Haele

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Response to haele (Reply #46)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 04:53 PM

49. This isn't about facts it's about perception

And if DHS and the Secret Service say there are no security concerns with holding the SOTU as planned, Pelosi claiming otherwise will open her up to being ridiculed as asserting that she is a better judge of security matters than DHS and the Secret Service. Sure it sucks if that happens, but it also happens to be the reality.

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Response to Raven (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 04:06 PM

43. Nancy is the Speaker of the House. ANYONE seeking to speak on the House floor outside of

 

elected Reps have to have her approval to speak on the floor.

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Response to Raven (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 04:19 PM

45. Only if Trump wants to give the speech in the House Chamber

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Response to Raven (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 04:28 PM

47. Yes she does

She can cancel, postpone, whatever.

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Response to Raven (Original post)

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 04:30 PM

48. Yes. The Speaker INVITES the President to give the speech.

Note that the Sergeant at Arms introduces the President, beginning with these words, "Madam Speaker!" Well, it will be "Madam" this time, anyhow. That's because the SOTU is given in the House Chambers.

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