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I don't think Chumpy has the mental ability to know how this shutdown is damaging the US, (Original Post) MoonRiver Jan 2019 OP
I disagree. He knows but he doesn't care. His concern is winning OnDoutside Jan 2019 #1
It's definitely not helping him. MoonRiver Jan 2019 #5
Definitely so. The resolution is GOP senators buckling. Trump just won't, OnDoutside Jan 2019 #28
I agree. lark Jan 2019 #27
Trump Knows, He Really Just Doesn't Care - He Lacks a Conscience dlk Jan 2019 #2
Not at all, but he doesnt care, at all. Putin is in charge. Eliot Rosewater Jan 2019 #3
Disagree. I think all of this is by design to destabilize and break the government. Claritie Pixie Jan 2019 #4
Rump has the IQ and maturity of a 9 yr old child. Eliot Rosewater Jan 2019 #6
He's a useful, but fully complicit, Idiot. MoonRiver Jan 2019 #8
I am not so sure he's the dum dum he portrays. Claritie Pixie Jan 2019 #9
He is dumb. Let me put it this way... Eliot Rosewater Jan 2019 #12
I used to think that but I think Trump is now and has been actively working to bring down America .. Botany Jan 2019 #7
Oh no, that is simple. Putin tells him to do A, he does A. Takes no intellect at all. Eliot Rosewater Jan 2019 #13
And in this picture he looks like something out of a Fellini film Botany Jan 2019 #20
My entire body is in a constant state of RAGE at the idea any human still supports him Eliot Rosewater Jan 2019 #21
You have 20 to 35% of the American people who think that: Botany Jan 2019 #22
More likely he just doesn't care. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2019 #10
He is incapable of empathy. He is a sociopath. dchill Jan 2019 #11
This is the salient point. maxsolomon Jan 2019 #24
Sociopathy in some degree is a prerequisite... dchill Jan 2019 #29
I'll Go With RobinA Jan 2019 #14
When a so called president does what drumpf has done with the government shutdown, democratisphere Jan 2019 #15
trump knows but he could care less duforsure Jan 2019 #16
In order for him to behave differently, he's have to understand AND care. RockRaven Jan 2019 #17
He's loving it... lame54 Jan 2019 #18
McConnell needs to put the CR on the floor NOW! ecstatic Jan 2019 #19
He is mentally ill, but it doesn't prevent him from knowing he is hurting people ooky Jan 2019 #23
He thinks it only damages Democrats. redstatebluegirl Jan 2019 #25
Him and his sleazy family are grifting like MOFOs, he does not care n/t hibbing Jan 2019 #26

OnDoutside

(19,956 posts)
1. I disagree. He knows but he doesn't care. His concern is winning
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 01:09 PM
Jan 2019

in whatever manner that will get him the win.

OnDoutside

(19,956 posts)
28. Definitely so. The resolution is GOP senators buckling. Trump just won't,
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 02:41 PM
Jan 2019

And McConnell is too much of a dick...I'd be surprised if he runs again.

lark

(23,097 posts)
27. I agree.
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 02:40 PM
Jan 2019

He knows how bad this is and is laughing at all the hurt he's causing. His master told him that doing this would hurt Dems chances in 2020, so he's definitely not going to stop. He also told him this would stop all the court cases (absent Mueller, of course) against him, his family and his criminal enterprises. drumpf only does what he thinks is good for him, for his pocketbook, and PUtin told him this is a way to hurt his enemies who voted against him in the mid-terms. drumpf hates us and is laughing at the pain he's causing. Until his funders turn on him, this will not stop. When large airports used by congress critters and the ultra rich are shuttered due to lack of TSA and Air Traffic Controllers, he will make a deal because he's a giant pussy.

dlk

(11,561 posts)
2. Trump Knows, He Really Just Doesn't Care - He Lacks a Conscience
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 01:10 PM
Jan 2019

It's always and only all about him.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
3. Not at all, but he doesnt care, at all. Putin is in charge.
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 01:10 PM
Jan 2019

The thing we have to DEMAND our media say out loud is PUTIN is in charge.

Putin wants to DESTROY us. He is. We have to fight back for real.

Claritie Pixie

(2,199 posts)
4. Disagree. I think all of this is by design to destabilize and break the government.
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 01:10 PM
Jan 2019

If he's a Russian agent which seems likely, it's been planned.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
6. Rump has the IQ and maturity of a 9 yr old child.
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 01:11 PM
Jan 2019

He knows putin has told him to go with shutdown if possible because it will harm us.

Rump knows nothing but is aware enough to know he works for putin.

This isnt my opinion, I and others have watched him and read him for many years. He is a complete idiot who is incapable of learning.

ALL of his business ventures go bankrupt eventually unless he has someone else make decisions which is rare.

Claritie Pixie

(2,199 posts)
9. I am not so sure he's the dum dum he portrays.
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 01:13 PM
Jan 2019

He may be but he's a showman - a snake oil salesman - and may just be playing a part to deflect.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
12. He is dumb. Let me put it this way...
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 01:16 PM
Jan 2019

You can be relatively dumb but know when someone is clapping or smiling.

He will say ANYTHING to ANYONE and when they smile or clap, he simply repeats it, in some cases for years.

Add to that he is a racist and he has a built in audience.

Botany

(70,501 posts)
7. I used to think that but I think Trump is now and has been actively working to bring down America ..
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 01:11 PM
Jan 2019

... from the inside under the orders of Putin and to stop the investigations into his ties to Russia and
election meddling.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
13. Oh no, that is simple. Putin tells him to do A, he does A. Takes no intellect at all.
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 01:19 PM
Jan 2019

He cant learn, barely reads.

He is dumb. He knows NOTHING about business, BTW.

I could prove it if I was allowed to ask him 5 BASIC busiuness questions as he would not know the answer to any of them and would give me this look


https://media.vanityfair.com/photos/5b4ce8cc9bedd20c4002b78d/master/w_768,c_limit/Trump-Putin-Muscle-Flexing.jpg


This is the look of someone who knows nothing about why he is in the room, nothing.

Botany

(70,501 posts)
20. And in this picture he looks like something out of a Fellini film
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 01:38 PM
Jan 2019
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10181170460

Where have we gone so wrong that this image looks like something out of a Federico Fellini movie? Gold candelabras, sterling silver gravy boats from Lincoln’s White House with dipping sauce for Chicken McNuggets, cold crappy fast food sandwiches on silver trays,
warm salads, White House employees doing acts they know are crazy, a world famous portrait of Abe Lincoln in the background and a crazy looking “Fellini clown” over seeing this shit show. And all the time our government is shut down over something that is not a
problem and the shut down is no doubt because of orders from Vlad Putin.

Talk about down the rabbit hole.


Botany

(70,501 posts)
22. You have 20 to 35% of the American people who think that:
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 01:46 PM
Jan 2019

Barack Obama is a n****r and that Hillary is a d**e b***h and until
they are personally hurt by Republican/Trump's actions they are fine
with him. Look @ the GM workers in Lordstown, OH who had their jobs
saved by Obama but still some of them went and voted for Trump in 2016.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,681 posts)
10. More likely he just doesn't care.
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 01:14 PM
Jan 2019

He doesn't care about damage to others as long as it doesn't damage him. However, he does lack enough understanding of politics and life in general to be able to figure out that eventually the shutdown will cost him. Bigly.

maxsolomon

(33,323 posts)
24. This is the salient point.
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 02:08 PM
Jan 2019

His sociopathic supporters don't care either.

Witness Coulter dismissing NP closures as "the gift shop". Has she ever stepped foot in a real NP, not just the clock tower at Trump's hotel in DC?

All that matters is the fight - forcing Dems to concede.

dchill

(38,474 posts)
29. Sociopathy in some degree is a prerequisite...
Thu Jan 17, 2019, 05:01 PM
Jan 2019

to qualify as a Trump supporter. Everything else is just extra cheese on a rancid pizza.

RobinA

(9,888 posts)
14. I'll Go With
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 01:23 PM
Jan 2019

doesn't know, doesn't care. He has no idea what it's like to work for a paycheck and to not have enough money. Or even limited money. Born on home plate, doesn't even think he hit a home run, thinks he deserved to be there and had special dispensation not to run the bases in order to score.

I don't believe there's any Putin-conspiracy, it's about him getting his way.

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
15. When a so called president does what drumpf has done with the government shutdown,
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 01:25 PM
Jan 2019

that so called president is not fit to hold office.

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
16. trump knows but he could care less
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 01:26 PM
Jan 2019

About anyone but himself. When he speaks its a constant projection from him to the reality he wants. He has no room for anyone else in it.

RockRaven

(14,962 posts)
17. In order for him to behave differently, he's have to understand AND care.
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 01:29 PM
Jan 2019

He does not do either. Explaining crap to him is pointless if he isn't going to care anyway. So they don't just need to get him to understand, but manipulate him into giving a crap. That's a heavy lift. Seems like it would be easier just to trick him or lie to him.

lame54

(35,287 posts)
18. He's loving it...
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 01:31 PM
Jan 2019

The country is falling apart and all he has to do is nothing
Absolutely nothing
The easiesy way to get the results he wants

ooky

(8,922 posts)
23. He is mentally ill, but it doesn't prevent him from knowing he is hurting people
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 01:55 PM
Jan 2019

and hurting the country. He doesn't care because he is an evil man.

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
25. He thinks it only damages Democrats.
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 02:14 PM
Jan 2019

His inability to understand any concept beyond the 4th grade level is amazing to me.

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