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He's going to be indicted (Original Post) malaise Jan 2019 OP
Who? FSogol Jan 2019 #1
That 1 Individual malaise Jan 2019 #3
secret agent 0045 enid602 Jan 2019 #28
Agent Orange. ginnyinWI Jan 2019 #29
Can Mueller just go ahead and indict and give poli-junkie Jan 2019 #2
He's going down for several crimes malaise Jan 2019 #7
I am the eternal pessimist, Malaise, as you MAY know. LOL pangaia Jan 2019 #22
I hope so for all of us malaise Jan 2019 #37
Trumpy has no statutory protections Eyeball_Kid Jan 2019 #31
True malaise Jan 2019 #47
So what happens if the AG pulls an L. Patrick Gray. Scruffy1 Jan 2019 #48
That's the worry but remember New York has no such issues malaise Jan 2019 #49
Doesn't Barr Charlotte Little Jan 2019 #51
He could indict on his own, but it would be a risky move marylandblue Jan 2019 #11
Trump always just does things and says let the Courts sort it out. Mueller should indict. PubliusEnigma Jan 2019 #4
You left out details: when will he be indicted. Before he is impeached or after? Federal or state? onenote Jan 2019 #5
I think he will be impeached by the House malaise Jan 2019 #9
He will get voted out, escape the Impeachment process...... A HERETIC I AM Jan 2019 #15
I know you are disavowing elaboration at this point... cilla4progress Jan 2019 #6
There are too many crimes and there is malaise Jan 2019 #10
Hang on, cause I have a feeling safeinOhio Jan 2019 #23
I like cilla4progress Jan 2019 #27
Lock. Him. Up. Bleacher Creature Jan 2019 #8
I'm agnostic on it. LanternWaste Jan 2019 #12
Why is this taking so long? Shell_Seas Jan 2019 #13
Just my opinion maryellen99 Jan 2019 #14
Well, fiddlesticks. Shell_Seas Jan 2019 #16
Or they convince Clarence Thomas to resign I don't know nt maryellen99 Jan 2019 #17
I think all serious folks were waiting for the Dems to take the House malaise Jan 2019 #18
Sorry Malaise. I just don't see it Poiuyt Jan 2019 #19
I hope you are wrong malaise Jan 2019 #20
And I hope you're right! Poiuyt Jan 2019 #41
Sadly, I think you're right. AJT Jan 2019 #43
Not this time. mahina Jan 2019 #60
I'm kinda thinking the same thing about indictment--it could happen. Mrs. Overall Jan 2019 #21
Me too malaise Jan 2019 #39
No offence but I will not take your predictions to the bank. former9thward Jan 2019 #24
Can Mueller indict the whole Russian-owned Republican party while he's at it? OliverQ Jan 2019 #25
I support that. Eliot Rosewater Jan 2019 #26
That would be Christmas malaise Jan 2019 #40
Better than Christmas. dewsgirl Jan 2019 #55
For real malaise Jan 2019 #56
I think the evidence will be overwhelming. I'm with you. spanone Jan 2019 #30
I hope Barr is playing him for the fool malaise Jan 2019 #45
I hope you're right about that, Malaise n/t Niagara Jan 2019 #32
Yeah, I have been getting emails for almost 2 years liberal N proud Jan 2019 #33
LOL, someone posts this weekly, yet nothing happens. nt USALiberal Jan 2019 #34
Your own reponse falls within that same 'lol...' LanternWaste Jan 2019 #38
Impeach AND indict... B Stieg Jan 2019 #35
While the DOJ may choose not to indict Trump, avebury Jan 2019 #36
He may already be indicted. tinrobot Jan 2019 #42
That would be passion fruit icing on my cake malaise Jan 2019 #46
From your keyboard to G*d's screen. marble falls Jan 2019 #44
I certainly hope so. greatauntoftriplets Jan 2019 #50
What color is this unspecified "he"? guillaumeb Jan 2019 #52
I'm hoping all of his legal issues will follow him to the grave, and haunt him, afterwards Siwsan Jan 2019 #53
And while we're debating over whether he will or won't be indicted... Grammy23 Jan 2019 #54
Time limit on that prediction? Midnightwalk Jan 2019 #57
Before summer n/t malaise Jan 2019 #58
Cool Midnightwalk Jan 2019 #59

malaise

(268,910 posts)
7. He's going down for several crimes
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 05:23 PM
Jan 2019

Mueller doesn't have the authority to indict him.

Crimes against the United States will be the big ones but there are many others including election fraud, violations of the emoluments clause, tax evasion, fraud, etc., etc.
The Con 'outconned' himself and left an amazing paper/electronic trail.

malaise

(268,910 posts)
37. I hope so for all of us
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 08:03 PM
Jan 2019

He has to go - how did ReTHUGs allow this despicable lunatic to steal the presidency?

Eyeball_Kid

(7,430 posts)
31. Trumpy has no statutory protections
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 07:50 PM
Jan 2019

against getting an indictment. As of now, there is only an opinion that a president can’t. But never before has a president committed felonies to get elected. So this is new legal territory. That DOJ opinion presumes the investigation of crimes far less severe than conspiring with an adversary to win an election. This isn’t a common crime we’re dealing with. It’s the most severe of all federal felonies.

Scruffy1

(3,255 posts)
48. So what happens if the AG pulls an L. Patrick Gray.
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 08:15 PM
Jan 2019

He actually destroyed the evidence when he was acting head of the FBI and it took about the time the Dolt has in office to uncover it. Of course he was never charged with anything because..............? I could easily see them bring in Barr to run out the clock because they know in money Washington nobody gives a shit when you're gone. Nixon wasn't crazy enough not to resign but the Dolt is pure nuts. The argument that Barr will use is impeachment is the only remedy and the hand picked Supremes will back him up and the Senate won't be able to get the votes. Meanwhile Barr will do what he did for the Iran Contra crooks and arrange mass pardons. By the time they are done they will have done a job on Washington that will take 20 years to fix. The Civil Service is already a casuality. How long would anyone with any abilities work for an employer who forces them to get paid? The only insurance we have is if the Democrats
unearth defintive proof of felonies. I know Mueller has a huge fan base, but he is a Republican after all just like Gray who had a good record.

malaise

(268,910 posts)
49. That's the worry but remember New York has no such issues
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 08:19 PM
Jan 2019

and Dems already have enough proof. He's going down. Of course he may jump first as reality is catching up with him.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
11. He could indict on his own, but it would be a risky move
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 05:29 PM
Jan 2019

There are other ways for someone to get an indictment before a court, but they are long shot and highly unusual moves. Still, I am sure someone will try it.

PubliusEnigma

(1,583 posts)
4. Trump always just does things and says let the Courts sort it out. Mueller should indict.
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 05:19 PM
Jan 2019

Then let the Court sort it out.

malaise

(268,910 posts)
9. I think he will be impeached by the House
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 05:26 PM
Jan 2019

Not sure the Senate will do its job. I think New York will get him on some crimes and the Feds and courts will also get him.
I see no way out for this vile piece of shit.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,365 posts)
15. He will get voted out, escape the Impeachment process......
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 05:48 PM
Jan 2019

but the second he steps foot on the tarmac in New York, he will either be handed a subpoena or get cuffed.

That's how I see it playing out.

Mueller is no dummy. He has sent plenty to the SDNY. I'm betting they have enough on him to put him away for life.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
12. I'm agnostic on it.
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 05:31 PM
Jan 2019

I hope he will. I'd love to see a picture of trump in orange jumpsuit with the caption, "I don't care. Do you?" but the past two and half years of worldwide idiocy (Brexit, Putin's foreign invasions going without consequence, etc.) has me stumped as to what the next two years hold. Right now, I'm just too short-sighted to see beyond the next crisis.

My fingers crossed and my mouth closed. Until...

maryellen99

(3,788 posts)
14. Just my opinion
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 05:46 PM
Jan 2019

I think the GOP is waiting for RBG to either retire or pass away. Once they get their 3 ultra right judges on the SC, they’ll turn on trump and Pence.

Shell_Seas

(3,332 posts)
16. Well, fiddlesticks.
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 05:48 PM
Jan 2019

RBG may be around another 10+ years. If she is...then what? They stick it out until 2020?

malaise

(268,910 posts)
18. I think all serious folks were waiting for the Dems to take the House
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 06:09 PM
Jan 2019

Too many ReTHUGs are compromised.
I think the media are preparing folks for what's coming hence the non-stop discussion about his collusion with Putin.
I can't wait for the collective scream that will create a quake across the planet "You're Fired!".

Poiuyt

(18,122 posts)
19. Sorry Malaise. I just don't see it
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 06:32 PM
Jan 2019

You're right, he might be impeached, but I doubt the Senate will convict him.

The problem is that there are different rules for the rich and powerful. I see the next president pardoning him just to "heal" the country (like Ford did with Nixon). Even though he is as guilty as sin, he'll escape any prosecution. My guess is that he'll be voted out in 2020 and will be damaged goods for most of America. The value of his brand will decrease, but he will continue to be a cult leader to his followers.

Trumpism (authoritarian, racism, nationalism, jingoism) will continue for a while longer but will eventually run its course.

Poiuyt

(18,122 posts)
41. And I hope you're right!
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 08:07 PM
Jan 2019

I still think Obama made a mistake not going after Bush and Cheney for their crimes against humanity. As long as a president knows that he or she can get away with it, they'll keep pushing the boundary.

malaise

(268,910 posts)
39. Me too
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 08:05 PM
Jan 2019

The good news is that Dems are serious and united, and neither Mueller nor New York are joking with Individual 1

spanone

(135,816 posts)
30. I think the evidence will be overwhelming. I'm with you.
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 07:50 PM
Jan 2019

all the bob barrs in the world won't be able to hide his shit

malaise

(268,910 posts)
45. I hope Barr is playing him for the fool
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 08:12 PM
Jan 2019

he is - there's something really odd about his sudden prominence

liberal N proud

(60,334 posts)
33. Yeah, I have been getting emails for almost 2 years
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 07:55 PM
Jan 2019

But I haven't sent them my money so they haven't followed through.

My worst fear is that he is not removed from office and continues to destroy the country

avebury

(10,952 posts)
36. While the DOJ may choose not to indict Trump,
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 08:01 PM
Jan 2019

I don't think there is anything that could prohibit a state AG, for example NY, from indicting Trump if there is cause.

Siwsan

(26,259 posts)
53. I'm hoping all of his legal issues will follow him to the grave, and haunt him, afterwards
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 08:30 PM
Jan 2019

I hope he doesn't have one single peaceful day, for the rest of his gold plated life.

Grammy23

(5,810 posts)
54. And while we're debating over whether he will or won't be indicted...
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 08:41 PM
Jan 2019

And most of us sure do hope he is.....there are experts in DC researching it. You can bet they are looking at every avenue to put his sorry ass away until the grim reaper hauls him away. He deserves to spend the rest of his days behind bars and if there is any justice that will be his fate.
The evidence seems to piling up into a mountain every day.

I worry (sometimes) that his fall back plan is to flee to another country (and take the family members he likes) so he is in exile. But I try not to think that way because it just pisses me off to think about him getting away with what he has done to this country!

Midnightwalk

(3,131 posts)
57. Time limit on that prediction?
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 09:34 PM
Jan 2019

State attorney generals such as Latitia James in NY are a wild card. She won’t want to mess up Mueller’s investigation but getting an indictment would make history.

I think Mueller will find a way around the DoJ opinion on indicting presidents maybe by going through a state, but if it goes through impeachment first the indictment might wait. Maybe until he is out of office.

The other wild card is he is an obese old man under high stress whose favorite meal is a big mac with a filet of fish chaser.

Given enough time I agree that it is likely some state AG doesn’t indict him on one of the easier fraud, reporting or perjury charges. I hope we get him on at least some espionage type charge soon.

Midnightwalk

(3,131 posts)
59. Cool
Wed Jan 16, 2019, 09:52 PM
Jan 2019

I’ll buy you your favorite beverage if you are right. I’ll be drinking more already if you’re wrong.

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