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(23,296 posts)These little assholes are the spawn of bigger assholes. Nobody wants them around.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)We're not the problem.
maxsolomon
(33,252 posts)"undoing institutional racism".
a lot of it boils down to empathy and simple respect for others. learn to recognize your blind spots and privilege, and shut your fool mouth if you don't know WTF you're talking about.
it's incredibly threatening to white people. but hell, "whipipo" is incredibly threatening to white people ON DU.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)I'd like to hear more about
Oppaloopa
(866 posts)Response to EffieBlack (Reply #2)
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Bettie
(16,077 posts)some museums (also in DC) to learn rather than shout about how they don't want women to have control over their bodies, they could be better people....oh, wait, they'll still have the same horrible parents and priests, so probably not.
yardwork
(61,539 posts)Maybe the kids could go on a field trip to learn more about women's rights.
Wait.
maxsolomon
(33,252 posts)these kids aren't going to learn shit about the people they judge.
Baitball Blogger
(46,684 posts)I went to a private college with a 2% minority attendance. After forty years I can say that there are some wonderful people out there, but the majority remain mum or chuckle when one of them spurts out racist comments.
But, that's my opinion and I've been told that I'm off the boat, so what do I know.
sheshe2
(83,668 posts)2naSalit
(86,353 posts)Solly Mack
(90,758 posts)alwaysinasnit
(5,060 posts)marble falls
(57,014 posts)Stinky The Clown
(67,766 posts)keithbvadu2
(36,677 posts)Trump family diplomacy
http://www.newsweek.com/indian-diplomat-compares-ivanka-trump-half-wit-saudi-prince-650206
"We regard Ivanka Trump the way we do half-wit Saudi princes. It's in our national interest to flatter them.
czarjak
(11,254 posts)Christianity expert Rush Limbaugh will show them the error of their way. Believe me!
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,766 posts)calimary
(81,127 posts)I LOVE political cartoonists. Nobody cuts through crap like someone who can draw.
IronLionZion
(45,380 posts)plenty of garbage out there since the park service has been furloughed.
The families are obviously not teaching them humility and kindness at home.
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IronLionZion
(45,380 posts)The intentions seem good at first, but it is still expecting someone else to do the jobs that whites won't do.
Getting to know people from diverse backgrounds is a good and honorable goal, but dumping problem kids on someone else's neighborhood is not the way to do it.
Efilroft Sul
(3,578 posts)Though I doubt these kids and their families would learn anything thing from it.
Duppers
(28,117 posts)It begins at home.
Gothmog
(144,945 posts)These kids are racists and are beyond any help
oberliner
(58,724 posts)EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)The other one is pretty shallow, which is why the response was necessary.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)MineralMan
(146,262 posts)the church I attended arranged a "mission trip" for teenagers to Tuba City, AZ, on a Navajo reservation. We all rode a bus there, and stayed for a few days. We painted a school building, which looked like it already had multiple coats of paint on it from previous such "mission trips."
A notable thing about that trip is that we never once saw a Native American. I was 16 years old, and that fact struck me hard. Why were we there at all? What was the point of that trip? We learned nothing about Navajo culture. We saw no Navajo people. Nobody came to speak to us about Navajo culture and its religious beliefs. We just painted a building that did not need painting. Then we went home.
I suppose some returned from that "mission," feeling like they had done something worthwhile. I returned, feeling like we had helped nobody, but that we were expected to feel some sort of "Christian" pride in doing something to help someone.
The truth was that the entire trip was conducted to make US feel good about ourselves - not to help others. It was one more step toward my atheism.
Enoki33
(1,587 posts)that POC are somehow inherently different, and deserving of a tag that says we are worth less no matter how much we strive for human dignity and economic justice. Trying to turn us into a petting zoo will not help the children of a morally bankrupt family that accepts the public racist attacks on Elizabeth Warren as normal. Despite the odds we will struggle on with the help of good people.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)the comfort level of those being taught.
In other words, if they acknowledge at all that they have anything to learn, we are seky responsible for providing the lessons and we had better do it in a way that never suggests they bear any responsibility for their ignorance or they have any need or obligation to change - and by all means, never, ever make them uncomfortable in any way because then it's OUR fault that they don't come around ...
Enoki33
(1,587 posts)perceived separate culture and values based on their ignorance.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,264 posts)Organize projects to send "Native, Black, Latix, Disabled, LGBT, etc" caravans to Covington to study and help the poor, isolated Catholic High School students and parents. It's not their fault that they are underprivileged in the area of diversity. We should pet them and feed them and help them get over their fear of humanity.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)GREAT idea!
catrose
(5,061 posts)Oppaloopa
(866 posts)WhiskeyGrinder
(22,309 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,615 posts)JHB
(37,157 posts)Gothmog
(144,945 posts)Fritz Walter
(4,291 posts)1. Replace the administration at that high school. Immediately. Theres apparently been a pattern of bad behavior thats been condoned or ignored by the people charged with molding young mens minds. Those personnel need to explore new career options; waste management as in tipping garbage cans into trucks might be suitable.
2. Those students who participated in this disgraceful behavior and their parents should be given two options:
A. Expulsion. Immediately and irrevocably. Let them finish their academic career in the same public school system that they so vehemently have abhorred and avoided. Home-schooling aint likely to happen (given the families socio-economic bracket).
B. Revocation of any credits accrued since the beginning of the current school year; and conditionally allowed to remain enrolled in the 2019-20 year. They must not only repeat the year, but also spend the remaining semester in remedial courses. Theology, based on the actual New Testament, would be a good start. (The advantage for the school would be collecting an addition $10,000 of tuition, which should offset expenses associated with their long-overdue realignment with Xtian values).
3. Both of the above.
Yeah, I know: Not. Bloody. Likely.
lunasun
(21,646 posts)I though to myself , wtf for ?
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)He's not our responsibility.
BumRushDaShow
(128,527 posts)Cha
(296,881 posts)ecstatic
(32,653 posts)A few years ago I visited Negril Jamaica. While there, we toured one of the last remaining slavery plantations. A few people in our tour group were very disrespectful--laughing, mocking, turning everything into a joke--even when sombre/horrific details were being disclosed. They didn't learn anything during that tour and there was no point in them even being there.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,165 posts)to say it might be a good thing for a lot of the boys.
Not the young MAGATs, but the ones we can still reach and change. These are still kids after all. The ones that only hear racial slurs from their peers, and go along to get along. Before they grow and get hardened in the same racist views. Yes its a sacrifice for the Native American reservation to host something like this, but if they were willing, and had the right speaker to get through in explaining things like respect for the land and water, among other things. See the first peoples in their own environment, amongst their cultural artifacts, proud, rather than their only exposure to native culture is seeing one of the lost ones drunk on a sidewalk. Hearing a spokesperson speaking to them with the respect they never showed to them. If it even helps one or two open their eyes and question their own racist beliefs perhaps instilled by their parents, wouldn't it be worth it?
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)But look at it from our perspective. Why do WE have to do the work to educate your kids? Why can't enlightened white people do it?
We're tired of being white people's Magical Negroes.
httpss://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magical_Negro
LiberalLovinLug
(14,165 posts)It is an imposition, and a tribe would have to want to be involved, not forced obviously.
I also understand the 'magic negro" character, and not wanting to fall into that role......again. A construct to ease white guilt. Elevating one black or brown character to almost supernatural and mystical status in a feeble attempt to make up for all the disrespect and taking advantage of from white society everywhere else.
But cliches come from somewhere true usually. And Nathan Phillips embodied that mn in that tweet to some degree. Just him sitting and chanting calmly in the storm of swirling racism and anger was quite "magical" in a sense. He was the mature person, the elder that was leading the way, despite the young MAGATs actions. His behaviour will live on as the one that is most respected from that incident. And some will see that after the fact. Revealing how just sitting and chanting can be a powerful act in the right circumstances. These are things young boys, sadly, just don't learn anywhere else.
janx
(24,128 posts)That's what blows me away the most. What is their school teaching them about American history?
As far as seeing the first peoples in their own environment, I have to take issue with that, and I have written about it. Tourists and other well meaning people like to look at it that way, and it's very disrespectful, as if these Indians are in a petri dish and the tourists are there to somehow figure it out.
Their parents are no doubt ignorant of history, too.
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)dlk
(11,514 posts)It puts the responsibility for learning understanding and kindness on the shoulders of those being blamed and is another iteration of patriarchy. In reality, those with the power, in this case, the parents and teachers of these awful children, are responsible for teaching compassion and empathy. Unfortunately, too many of them are too lazy or too narcissistic, themselves.