Republican claims blacks and whites were lynched at equal rates in MLK Day message

[Soph0571]

Saine made the statements Friday on the floor of the Colorado House. She posted footage of her speech to Facebook Monday, and noted that it was meant to bolster House District 49 Rep. Perry Buck, who tried to introduce a resolution honoring King.

“How could I honor Martin Luther King today without shining a light on injustice myself?” Saine said. “My colleagues, how can you redeem your marginalized voice by marginalizing ours? Our march toward justice is not over when a colleague of ours is barred from introducing a resolution on this floor because of the color of her skin.”

[link:https://www.rawstory.com/2019/01/republican-claims-blacks-whites-lynched-equal-rates-mlk-day-message/|

Fucking hell, what is wrong with these people?

[dhol82]

1. Saine is insane.

[TheBlackAdder]

26. Even if that were true, there were 7-8x the amount of Whites than Blacks--do it'd be disproportunate

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That person definitely is Cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs.

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[Croney]

2. Like Jews and Germans were murdered at equal rates.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

19. i know your intent

That should be "Jews and Nazis", because many of the victims of the Holocaust were Germans. Besides the people hauled to death camps by cattle cars, there were German Jews and other German citizens deemed "subhuman" by the Nazis who were also murdered. Exact numbers are impossible to determine.

[Hortensis]

21. Yes, decent religious leaders and others who opposed what was happening

also went to prison and/or were executed, along of course with many considered inferiors who threatened the purity of the glorious German race.

As for the claim of "equal rates" that Croney's having trouble swallowing , the right has been taught that Hitler was a liberal/leftist and that nazism and fsacism are left-wing phenomena, not the archconservative movements they really are. Millions of trumpsters now look left in fear, never at themselves and the authoritarian leaders they're electing, or even farther right.

I suspect that massive delusion, which includes stories of sightings of train cars hauling good conservatives to presumed death camps in the Obama years, is what this Republican creep is speaking to.

[Croney]

29. Yes you're right, thanks for the correction. I knew something was off but

it was stuck in my subconscious.

[NRaleighLiberal]

3. Sadly, nothing surprises me any more

[maxsolomon]

4. White Horse Thieves and Murderers got hanged - for crimes.

Black Men got hanged for looking sideways at White Women.

Not equivalent.

[Ohiogal]

5. How do these brain dead cretins

keep getting elected to office?

[2naSalit]

13. Cheating...nt

[mountain grammy]

6. Like everywhere we have some awful

people in Colorado. What a racist lie this is.

[Drahthaardogs]

7. Well, they used to Lynch a lot of Sicilians down south

But they weren't considered white either so if THAT is his point of reference he's wrong.

[Gothmog]

8. There is an alternative reality operating here

[Wellstone ruled]

9. This Dipshite watches to many

Cowboy movies.

[struggle4progress]

10. Here's a useful website with a color-coded map

http://www.monroeworktoday.org

[madamesilverspurs]

11. Well, this is embarrassing.

The story was published in my hometown newspaper. Saine is local. More than once it has been noted that her last name is ironic in the extreme. A little over a year ago she was arrested for having a loaded firearm in her purse as she went through the security checkpoint at the airport. She is also an avid supporter of fracking, at one point insisting that it's safe because there is no record of leaks or spills -- nevermind that the newspaper prints daily spill reports. In Weld County there is a short list of requirements for holding elected office: You must be (1) white, (2) male, (3) republican -- and she hits two out of three.

The original newspaper story (link below) also briefly discusses another 2for3 legislator, Perry Buck, known primarily for being the wife of Congressman Ken Buck (they announced their impending divorce the day after the midterms). She thinks it's funny that she doesn't know the boundaries of the district she claims to represent; on her first day in the legislature she introduced a bill to return gun rights to former felons (because that issue was on the top of no one's list of important stuff); at a disability forum she told the audience, comprised entirely of people with very obvious impairments, that they were "so well informed that I feel handicapped in your presence."

Democrats in Weld County have one seat in the state house; in Greeley, the county seat, there is one Democrat on the city council; and the county commission hasn't allowed a Democrat in over thirty years. Following the recent midterm, in which Democrats swept statewide offices, the county commissioners started whining about secession again. It does get tiresome.

Anyway, here's the link to the story:
https://www.greeleytribune.com/news/on-mlk-day-weld-county-legislator-says-blacks-whites-lynched-in-nearly-equal-numbers-for-being-republican/

[The Truth Is Here]

15. Oh god not again.

Remember this?

[madamesilverspurs]

16. Wish I didn't!

This time they're actually talking about leaving Colorado and joining the county to Wyoming...


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[The Truth Is Here]

17. Poor Ft. Collins.

I honestly don't think there's a win-win situation for Weld County. The nutjobbery is strong with this one.

[madamesilverspurs]

18. Ft. Collins is in Larimer County.

They were part of CD4 until the botched redistricting that moved them to CD2 and condemned Weld to what has become a reliably red fiefdom.

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[Ms. Toad]

20. Here's the video

Here's a link to the video that contains the actual comment. https://www.facebook.com/replorisaine/videos/806129649750075/?__tn__=kC-R&eid=ARCaT2O58aH8taV663DfdGCw0lEWT6d0u3Oqr4ar0agQE7DewqoR3DXwkuBl4Tm1xLbxIaAxWY58YruI&hc_ref=ARRtidGvTtt4-e8HEmgwyGKjBbnlfpysQYJ-pXTBFrxaEFSs6sXYIwVKmg8oc5TpzEM&fref=nf&__xts__[0]=68.ARChDc25UUFuRwv8wDHAMtIKdnL_0iWmqzkoBU6oe9M2sAbJP4Q4wlpSqDoo3CQGq8zL5ufnjTJMUi0j2y16WEII-yiZoHlIodM7aissyU-_Kcrq8WaGB2j4brzK1lMyzkzYM19QOacIFn66bZ4wYexNdD8GpyF9s13BBU-4KHW2I_vCIaH7tlIbBmkcetgY_hRCFC0bhUg9z4Wp-ZNwLCQC93K_AlNO7FbJ8jZzwrZq_JKmCQgjN_8aWxBTuyJGZP8jZ4JADpAtcBZOIxOMRUi-wmS4KDr6KdoDYQd_HNh5UKe_Fk_idzSfzFxgNwVEf7aHVA_Yz7lY6RoQYLfUSvOJARBtUn_V65p7

[AJT]

12. A hanging is not a lynching.

[beachbum bob]

14. Entitled white victimhood...A certifiable mental illness

[Hortensis]

22. All conservative speakers are blowing false equalization smoke these days.

No matter how many times white liberals and other decent people fall short of meeting black need, trying to erase the enormous difference between people of good will toward others and those of ill will serves only the latter and their determination to continue their ways.

[winstars]

23. Ahhh, somebody tell this fucking asshole that "The Oxbow Incident" was only a movie!!!

Yeah, remember all those times the Brothers lynched all those white folk???


NEITHER DO I!!

[oberliner]

24. The actual stat is 73 percent were black and 27 percent were white

In case anyone is interested.

[canetoad]

28. Here's a list

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_lynching_victims_in_the_United_States

Of course, there may be even more that this.

[Solly Mack]

25. uh..Damn.

Yikes.

What.an.idiot.

[McCamy Taylor]

27. If by "whites" she means Italians, Irish, Jews, Catholics yeah, they also got lynched.

But not in equal numbers. And the people who lynched them did not consider them "white" when they did the killing.

[Igel]

30. So much talking past each other.

Her claim was simple but you have to read it instead of assume you know what it means.

One person--one--in the news article takes on her claim and challenges it, but in a way that basically says, "She's citing a bad source" and, at the same time, saying, "If it's true, it's a coincidence, so who the hell knows for sure?" Followed by the true but in some ways irrelevant "but the Republican party of today isn't like the one during in the decades after the Civil War."

Confused? Yeah.

Her claim can be paraphrased this way:

1. In the relevant years, there were a number of white Republicans who were lynched.

2. During those same years, there were a number of black Republicans who were lynched.

3. Those two numbers are the same or nearly so.

This means that the total number of lynched blacks versus lynched whites is meaningless (although it's always good to remind people that lynching isn't race neutral but also isn't race specific). All that matters for the truth of her absurdly specific claim is that the number of Republicans who were lynched and black is about the same as the number of Republicans who were lynched and white. If this were a reading test, most people would have failed.

I, for one, would be surprised that anybody could show this to be true. Or, for that matter, false--seriously, for the set of people lynched, who kept political party documentation? However, the lack of evidence isn't proof that the claim is false, so maybe it's trivially true--few were lynched for their party affiliation per se. The one person taking the claim head on, in proper fashion (instead of tackling a strawman with great force and purpose, followed by smug strutting), merely says that she got the claim from a book, Setting the Record Straight: American History in Black & White, and that the book was in error. (Reading between the lines I sense that this applies in a general sense, not just to this claim, i.e., "the book is a joke" but the guy didn't explicitly and clearly go there). I'd have liked numbers, but if they exist, I'd be quietly surprised.

Now, the current (R) and former (R) parties are quite different, so the truth or falseness of the claim appears to be really irrelevant to her speech and the connections she seems to draw.