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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums"Is she seen as African-American -- is she seen as African-American?" Matthews asked.
Karen Finney @finneyk 1h1 hour agoDear @HardballChris - as someone who get asked this Question I can tell you this is what racism looks like - cut it out now! Matthews: Is Kamala Harris 'Seen as African-American?' https://t.co/xIJa6JFU7Z
from Mediaite:
MSNBC host Chris Matthews asked if 2020 Democratic candidate Sen. Kamala Harris is seen as African-American, presumably due to her mixed racial background.
Matthews asked the race question after mentioning her campaigns aesthetic is inspired by Shirley Chisholm, the first major-party black candidate to run for president, with Democratic strategist Jamal Simmons Monday night.
Is she seen as African-American is she seen as African-American? Matthews asked his guest twice-in-a-row.
Yes, Simmons replied. Shes seen as African-American.
read: https://www.mediaite.com/tv/chris-matthews-on-kamala-harriss-appeal-to-black-voters-is-she-seen-as-african-american-2/
...this brings me to something I wanted to share about questions of Kamala Harris' race or racial identification.
Kamala is a member of the Alpha Kappa Alpha, or AKA, a sorority established by and for African-American college women.
This fact very much reminded me that my mother was also AKA. She was very light-skinned, inherited from her African-American mother born of a slave who had married her master and bore him numerous children of varying complexions. She was also born 'albino' and had skin indistinguishable from most white individuals, with hazel eyes and blond hair.
She endured questions of her racial identity all of her life, and she adhered to the reality of her family history, enmeshing herself in the black communities where she lived and embracing all of the culture associated with her heritage.
In my mother's case, there were factors in her upbringing, consequences of the time she was raised in, which really didn't give her a choice of racial identity. In her West Virginia community, and in Molena, Georgia where she was born, any black blood in your past automatically made you a Negro, period.
Her mother, Rochelle Searcy was an African American woman with very light skin. She was the tenth of 26 children born to Jacob Knight in Molena, Ga., in 1902. Knight was said to have, literally, populated an entire town that he had built up on the 200, or so, acres of land he owned. In 1917, Mrs. Searcy graduated from the Seminar English Preparatory School of the Morris Brown University of Atlanta, Ga..
Rochelle and Henry Searcy
from the Fullwood Family Collection
Charleston, in a state which was founded on its resistance to slavery and its allegiance to the Union in 1863, was adapting to the changing demographics of its refuge and opportunity for migrating blacks.
"Between 1919 and 1921 T. G. Nutter, Harry Capehart, and T. J. Coleman, three African-American legislators, were responsible for the creation of several state-funded institutions for blacks. The West Virginia Industrial Home for Colored Girls in Huntington and the West Virginia Industrial Home for Colored Boys in Lakin, the West Virginia Colored Deaf and Blind School at Institute, and the West Virginia Hospital for Colored Insane at Lakin were all given state funding. The institutions were to be run by African Americans. Other publicly funded institutions for African Americans included the West Virginia Home for the Aged and (Infirmed) Colored Men and Women in Huntington, the West Virginia Colored Orphans Home in Huntington, and the West Virginia Colored Tuberculosis Sanitarium at Denmar." Source: Posey, The Negro Citizen of West Virginia, 58-62; Acts of the West Virginia Legislature.
Charleston wasn't exactly a progressive town, but it was one of those regions which contained a sufficiently large black population to facilitate and require a proportionally adequate number of institutions, facilities, and amenities to satisfy the African Americans community's needs, wants, and concerns. Those would require a workforce able and adequate to the tasks, as well.
It bears emphasizing that, although my mother was born with skin that was indistinguishable from most white Americans (and with beautiful blond hair and hazel eyes as a compliment), she was still considered and designated on her birth record as 'Negro' and was not allowed to advantage herself of any of the non-black medical facilities, for instance.
A graduate from the the all-black Garnet High School, which closed in 1955 due to integration, Mom went on to become a teacher, attending and obtaining degrees from West Virginia State College; Atlanta University; UDC; Catholic University; and Trinity College. At West Virginia State, she was secretary to the Dean of Women. After graduating Garnet High School, she became a supervisor at the West Virginia Industrial Home for Colored Girls in Huntington, W.Va..
Mom achieved a position on the membership committee of the Xi Omega Chapter of Alpha Kappa Alpha (her joy). Mrs. Fullwood was also a member of the NAACP and a lifetime member of the National Council of Negro Women.
In fact, after marrying and moving to Metuchen, New Jersey, Mom joined the local Auxiliary Memorial VFRW Post and took a secretarial position at the local Raritan Arsenal.
I'm intrigued by the notion that we can be driven away from our ancestry by those not willing to accept that history - or denied our own view of ourselves based on our racial heritage.
Kamala Harris rightly identifies with all aspects of her culture, but deserves to be recognized for that part of her heritage which she embraces with her heart and soul. If that's not clear to folks like Matthews, they just haven't bothered to notice or care.
Mom
from the Fullwood Family Collection
elleng
(130,865 posts)and a Jamaican father. Her mother, Shyamala Gopalan Harris, was a breast cancer scientist who immigrated to the United States from Madras (now Chennai) in 1960.[1][2] Her father, Donald Harris, is a Stanford University economics professor who emigrated from Jamaica in 1961 for graduate study in economics at University of California, Berkeley.'
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamala_Harris
JI7
(89,247 posts)wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)you'd definitely think she's black.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)And ignorant at that
brush
(53,764 posts)you'd know she's a member of Alpha Kappa Alpha, an African American women sorority.
Case closed.
sdfernando
(4,930 posts)She looks very Indian to me but not totally so I would guess that she was multi-racial...which in-fact she is.
Your post says a lot about you and not in a good way.
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)guess I'm in good company.
JI7
(89,247 posts)jcgoldie
(11,631 posts)I agree 100% with the OP, people should be identified in the way that they identify themselves. And in Harris case, to say she hasn't lived the African American experience is ridiculous. Race is a social construct, she has lived the experience of a black woman in America no matter if her parents were from India or Jamaica. Anyone saying she can't claim that identity is wrong.
Me.
(35,454 posts)and would someone please ask him why it matters
Because she might have faked being African-American to get into a Sorority, which would be the biggest scandal ever (next to the Elizabeth Warren one anyway)!!!
Me.
(35,454 posts)was she actually born here in the good old USA and therefore really qualified to be pres? And he didn't even get to the 'she's a woman' part.
Gothmog
(145,130 posts)What I love about Senator Harris is that she is a bad ass on the Senate Judiciary committee and did a great job. I do not care how she is identified only that she is qualified to be POTUS
Docreed2003
(16,858 posts)It's just sickening that someone like Mathews, who has a huge national TV show, would be spewing this crap!
Me.
(35,454 posts)next he'll be publicly questioning her birth certificate
niyad
(113,259 posts)Gothmog
(145,130 posts)I try to avoid Tweety
niyad
(113,259 posts)Ferrets are Cool
(21,106 posts)Clash City Rocker
(3,396 posts)Which means shes had to work twice as hard to get to where she is. The fact that shes a woman means shes had to work harder still. So yes, she has every right to identify as African American. The question pisses me off.
My wife is African American. She has a B.S. from Yale and a. Ph. D from Stanford. She speaks five languages. But some of her coworkers treat her like an idiot because of her gender and the color of her skin. This is what a woman of color has to deal with every damn day. To question her race on top of that is laughable.
bigtree
(85,986 posts)...the one I'm living in.
I've said that, 'I take the pains of my skin color, so I deserve to wear it with pride.'
Celerity
(43,316 posts)My family history is even more complicated (especially the West Indian side) and racially ambiguous, so this all really rings true and close to home for me.
Keep up the wonderful work!
bigtree
(85,986 posts)...it's junky and profound, just the way I found it in what remained from my mother.
Thanks for looking it up!
Celerity
(43,316 posts)sister (although I doubt they are the same in height as my sister is 6-3, lolol.)
maryallen
(2,172 posts)Thank you for sharing this information about your mother. I found her story very interesting and was delighted by the pictures.
akraven
(1,975 posts)so who gives a fuck what "race" she is?
oasis
(49,376 posts)malaise
(268,930 posts)We have many different races and ethnic groups in our family.
Rec
IronLionZion
(45,427 posts)because it's great to show that we're not all tech support or gas station workers and millions of us are US citizens not H1b.
There are tons of Blindians in this world who identify as black or are known as black. A hell of a lot more than you might expect: Nikki Minaj, Chili from TLC, actress Jazsmin Lewis, rapper Bizzy Bone from Bone Thugz and Harmony, and many more. The Caribbean, especially Trinidad, is full of Blindians. Also some African countries. I have several in my own family.
It's nice of Chris Matthews to try and divide people to discourage black Americans from voting for her. Black people tend to be more welcoming to mixed race people than some others. A recent example is our last Democratically elected President was just as white as he is black, yet the black community claimed him as black and many whites decided that his birth certificate must be fake because he doesn't look like how they picture an American.
Harris will get plenty of support from black, Indian, white, and whoever else. If she's the nominee, she'll get support from the "Any rational human being 2020" crowd against Trump.
But I have absolutely no doubt that if I decide to support her in the primaries, some folks will say it's because I'm Indian. And I won't care.
bigtree
(85,986 posts)...thanks for this.
I'm going to guess that Kamala Harris is going to transcend most of these racial identifications, but I'm certain she has a wealth of a legacy she's willing to share and express which she inherited from her mother, as well as her dad.
IronLionZion
(45,427 posts)unfortunately we will always have to deal with people like Chris Matthews though. It's a fact of life.
tblue37
(65,328 posts)Hekate
(90,645 posts)radius777
(3,635 posts)even if asked clumsily.
Obviously Harris identifies and is viewed as a black woman.. but she does have an East Indian first name, and I'm sure she's proud of that heritage as well. Tiger Woods famously said he doesnt consider himself black, but "caublanasian". There are mixed-race PoC who identify equally with both/multiple sides of their heritage, although the reality of America is people usually identify by what race they most look like.
CM comes from ethnic (white) neighborhoods in Philly. Ethnicity/tribal identification can be a funny thing when it comes to politics, even JFK faced questions from both sides, whether he was too Irish or not enough.. Obama similar thing, whether he was too black or not enough.
I doubt KH would be affected by this dynamic, if anything sexism would play more of a role, but the question is still valid when it comes to understanding politics.
Hekate
(90,645 posts)As I've mentioned from time to time I grew up in Hawai'i and that experience shaped my attitudes toward race and ethnicity. People who were mixed were proud of their complex heritage, but to a certain extent you were who you said you were, especially if you could work up a tan.
I was kinda sad to be so very very white bread and freckled and stuff. It wasn't until I was in my 30s and visited Boston that I realized that what I looked like was Irish. Very very ethnically Irish. Right down to the freckles.
I love it that Kamala Harris has a complex heritage, and that Barack Obama does, and that they embrace -- what they choose to.
But that's just me.
nycbos
(6,034 posts)Sincerely,
A jew who looks Irish.
Hekate
(90,645 posts)In my Irish-American family, my mom's younger brother looked Jewish and my dad's uncle did also. As they were informed from time to time by others.
Go figure.
Solly Mack
(90,762 posts)spicysista
(1,663 posts)It was an honor to read this post. Such an intimate peek into such an important person in your life! This was a very special treat. Thank you, bigtree.
blm
(113,043 posts)You still have the power to grab my attention....even after all these years.
shanny
(6,709 posts)He never adds anything of worth to the conversation and he spews spittle at everybody.
Mike Nelson
(9,951 posts)
Harris is my present favorite. I had no idea what her heritage was... she's very Presidential, though. The blonde in the pictures is lovely - and so are all her classmates!
Hekate
(90,645 posts)..."black enough."
Something about his white mama and grandparents and his daddy that was African and not African American, and I can't remember the rest.
Sadly, that kind of racism is not confined to old white nitwits like Tweety.
MrScorpio
(73,630 posts)Seriously.
The answer to that question is the same as when they asked it about Barack: "When the cops stop her, what race do you think they think she is?"
Or the short version: "You got eyes, idiot?"
panader0
(25,816 posts)First, Kamala Harris is a great candidate.
Second, I love your memoirs.
jcgoldie
(11,631 posts)Thank you for sharing your mother's experience.
Hekate
(90,645 posts)pnwmom
(108,976 posts)Thanks for taking the time to share this with us.