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bigtree

(85,986 posts)
Wed Jan 23, 2019, 02:49 PM Jan 2019

"Is she seen as African-American -- is she seen as African-American?" Matthews asked.

Karen Finney @finneyk 1h1 hour ago
Dear ⁦@HardballChris⁩ - as someone who get asked this Question I can tell you this is what racism looks like - cut it out now! “Matthews: Is Kamala Harris 'Seen as African-American?'” https://t.co/xIJa6JFU7Z

from Mediaite:

MSNBC host Chris Matthews asked if 2020 Democratic candidate Sen. Kamala Harris is “seen as African-American,” presumably due to her mixed racial background.

Matthews asked the race question after mentioning her campaign’s aesthetic is inspired by Shirley Chisholm, the first major-party black candidate to run for president, with Democratic strategist Jamal Simmons Monday night.

“Is she seen as African-American — is she seen as African-American?” Matthews asked his guest twice-in-a-row.

“Yes,” Simmons replied. “She’s seen as African-American.”

read: https://www.mediaite.com/tv/chris-matthews-on-kamala-harriss-appeal-to-black-voters-is-she-seen-as-african-american-2/


...this brings me to something I wanted to share about questions of Kamala Harris' race or racial identification.

Kamala is a member of the Alpha Kappa Alpha, or AKA, a sorority established by and for African-American college women.

This fact very much reminded me that my mother was also AKA. She was very light-skinned, inherited from her African-American mother born of a slave who had married her master and bore him numerous children of varying complexions. She was also born 'albino' and had skin indistinguishable from most white individuals, with hazel eyes and blond hair.

She endured questions of her racial identity all of her life, and she adhered to the reality of her family history, enmeshing herself in the black communities where she lived and embracing all of the culture associated with her heritage.

In my mother's case, there were factors in her upbringing, consequences of the time she was raised in, which really didn't give her a choice of racial identity. In her West Virginia community, and in Molena, Georgia where she was born, any black blood in your past automatically made you a Negro, period.

Her mother, Rochelle Searcy was an African American woman with very light skin. She was the tenth of 26 children born to Jacob Knight in Molena, Ga., in 1902. Knight was said to have, literally, populated an entire town that he had built up on the 200, or so, acres of land he owned. In 1917, Mrs. Searcy graduated from the Seminar English Preparatory School of the Morris Brown University of Atlanta, Ga..


Rochelle and Henry Searcy
from the Fullwood Family Collection

Charleston, in a state which was founded on its resistance to slavery and its allegiance to the Union in 1863, was adapting to the changing demographics of its refuge and opportunity for migrating blacks.

"Between 1919 and 1921 T. G. Nutter, Harry Capehart, and T. J. Coleman, three African-American legislators, were responsible for the creation of several state-funded institutions for blacks. The West Virginia Industrial Home for Colored Girls in Huntington and the West Virginia Industrial Home for Colored Boys in Lakin, the West Virginia Colored Deaf and Blind School at Institute, and the West Virginia Hospital for Colored Insane at Lakin were all given state funding. The institutions were to be run by African Americans. Other publicly funded institutions for African Americans included the West Virginia Home for the Aged and (Infirmed) Colored Men and Women in Huntington, the West Virginia Colored Orphans Home in Huntington, and the West Virginia Colored Tuberculosis Sanitarium at Denmar." Source: Posey, The Negro Citizen of West Virginia, 58-62; Acts of the West Virginia Legislature.

Charleston wasn't exactly a progressive town, but it was one of those regions which contained a sufficiently large black population to facilitate and require a proportionally adequate number of institutions, facilities, and amenities to satisfy the African Americans community's needs, wants, and concerns. Those would require a workforce able and adequate to the tasks, as well.

It bears emphasizing that, although my mother was born with skin that was indistinguishable from most white Americans (and with beautiful blond hair and hazel eyes as a compliment), she was still considered and designated on her birth record as 'Negro' and was not allowed to advantage herself of any of the non-black medical facilities, for instance.



A graduate from the the all-black Garnet High School, which closed in 1955 due to integration, Mom went on to become a teacher, attending and obtaining degrees from West Virginia State College; Atlanta University; UDC; Catholic University; and Trinity College. At West Virginia State, she was secretary to the Dean of Women. After graduating Garnet High School, she became a supervisor at the West Virginia Industrial Home for Colored Girls in Huntington, W.Va..

Mom achieved a position on the membership committee of the Xi Omega Chapter of Alpha Kappa Alpha (her joy). Mrs. Fullwood was also a member of the NAACP and a lifetime member of the National Council of Negro Women.

In fact, after marrying and moving to Metuchen, New Jersey, Mom joined the local Auxiliary Memorial VFRW Post and took a secretarial position at the local Raritan Arsenal.



I'm intrigued by the notion that we can be driven away from our ancestry by those not willing to accept that history - or denied our own view of ourselves based on our racial heritage.

Kamala Harris rightly identifies with all aspects of her culture, but deserves to be recognized for that part of her heritage which she embraces with her heart and soul. If that's not clear to folks like Matthews, they just haven't bothered to notice or care.



Mom
from the Fullwood Family Collection
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"Is she seen as African-American -- is she seen as African-American?" Matthews asked. (Original Post) bigtree Jan 2019 OP
'Kamala Harris was born on October 20, 1964, in Oakland, California, to a Tamil Indian mother elleng Jan 2019 #1
black/indian people are mostly seen as black JI7 Jan 2019 #5
By who? HipChick Jan 2019 #9
If you saw Harris in a mugshot wellst0nev0ter Jan 2019 #19
Sounds like a very racist viewpoint HipChick Jan 2019 #24
She identifies as African American. If you read the OP... brush Jan 2019 #33
No I wouldn't sdfernando Jan 2019 #52
Obama said the same thing when asked about the same issue wellst0nev0ter Jan 2019 #53
according to society. just like obama is seen as a black man JI7 Jan 2019 #36
by America jcgoldie Jan 2019 #41
And So It Starts Me. Jan 2019 #2
+1 Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2019 #14
And As A Black/Indian Person Me. Jan 2019 #25
I was wondering the same thing Gothmog Jan 2019 #30
Same shit people tried to stir about Obama in 2007/08 Docreed2003 Jan 2019 #34
Precisely Me. Jan 2019 #39
so tweety is back to being stupid, yes? it was nice that he was quiet for a time. niyad Jan 2019 #3
Going back to being stupid implies that he ever stopped being stupid Gothmog Jan 2019 #31
I stand corrected. like you, I try to avoid him. niyad Jan 2019 #49
Ding, Ding Ferrets are Cool Jan 2019 #51
The world treats her as African American Clash City Rocker Jan 2019 #4
that's the other side of history bigtree Jan 2019 #6
amazing post and I found your even bigger, better one, from 7 years go, via search Celerity Jan 2019 #7
that's an awesome bio bigtree Jan 2019 #8
I found it via Google image search on Rochelle Searcy, as she looks a whole lot like my Celerity Jan 2019 #10
Your mom --- maryallen Jan 2019 #11
Who cares? She's intelligent, driven, and very effectual - akraven Jan 2019 #12
+1000 jalan48 Jan 2019 #23
Thank you, bigtree. K and R oasis Jan 2019 #13
Thanks for this malaise Jan 2019 #15
Yes, but I'll also claim her as Indian IronLionZion Jan 2019 #16
good post bigtree Jan 2019 #17
Good OP, thanks for sharing the story about your mother IronLionZion Jan 2019 #18
K&R for visibility. nt tblue37 Jan 2019 #20
Kic and Rec and Tweety please retire now Hekate Jan 2019 #21
I think he asks a valid sociopolitical question, radius777 Jan 2019 #22
Your first paragraph ... Hekate Jan 2019 #45
How about we see her as a United States Senator and and candidate for POTUS. nycbos Jan 2019 #26
Sincerely... Hekate Jan 2019 #44
Awesome nycbos Jan 2019 #46
K&R Solly Mack Jan 2019 #27
Beautiful, truly amazing. spicysista Jan 2019 #28
((bigtree)) blm Jan 2019 #29
Can we all just tune out Tweety for good? shanny Jan 2019 #32
Interesting history... Mike Nelson Jan 2019 #35
When Obama started his potus campaign there was a fight here--HERE--over whether he was ... Hekate Jan 2019 #37
Jeez MrScorpio Jan 2019 #38
Or what. Iggo Jan 2019 #47
Two things: panader0 Jan 2019 #40
This is a great post... personal, historical, and relevant to the topic jcgoldie Jan 2019 #42
Thank you so much for sharing your Mom's story with us. Just thanks. nt Hekate Jan 2019 #43
You have a beautiful family and your family's story is representative of millions. pnwmom Jan 2019 #48
You have an amazing mother Separation Jan 2019 #50

elleng

(130,865 posts)
1. 'Kamala Harris was born on October 20, 1964, in Oakland, California, to a Tamil Indian mother
Wed Jan 23, 2019, 03:06 PM
Jan 2019

and a Jamaican father. Her mother, Shyamala Gopalan Harris, was a breast cancer scientist who immigrated to the United States from Madras (now Chennai) in 1960.[1][2] Her father, Donald Harris, is a Stanford University economics professor who emigrated from Jamaica in 1961 for graduate study in economics at University of California, Berkeley.'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamala_Harris

brush

(53,764 posts)
33. She identifies as African American. If you read the OP...
Wed Jan 23, 2019, 08:29 PM
Jan 2019

you'd know she's a member of Alpha Kappa Alpha, an African American women sorority.

Case closed.

sdfernando

(4,930 posts)
52. No I wouldn't
Thu Jan 24, 2019, 01:21 PM
Jan 2019

She looks very Indian to me but not totally so I would guess that she was multi-racial...which in-fact she is.

Your post says a lot about you and not in a good way.

jcgoldie

(11,631 posts)
41. by America
Wed Jan 23, 2019, 09:35 PM
Jan 2019

I agree 100% with the OP, people should be identified in the way that they identify themselves. And in Harris case, to say she hasn't lived the African American experience is ridiculous. Race is a social construct, she has lived the experience of a black woman in America no matter if her parents were from India or Jamaica. Anyone saying she can't claim that identity is wrong.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,406 posts)
14. +1
Wed Jan 23, 2019, 04:31 PM
Jan 2019

Because she might have faked being African-American to get into a Sorority, which would be the biggest scandal ever (next to the Elizabeth Warren one anyway)!!!

Me.

(35,454 posts)
25. And As A Black/Indian Person
Wed Jan 23, 2019, 07:50 PM
Jan 2019

was she actually born here in the good old USA and therefore really qualified to be pres? And he didn't even get to the 'she's a woman' part.

Gothmog

(145,130 posts)
30. I was wondering the same thing
Wed Jan 23, 2019, 08:10 PM
Jan 2019

What I love about Senator Harris is that she is a bad ass on the Senate Judiciary committee and did a great job. I do not care how she is identified only that she is qualified to be POTUS

Docreed2003

(16,858 posts)
34. Same shit people tried to stir about Obama in 2007/08
Wed Jan 23, 2019, 08:34 PM
Jan 2019

It's just sickening that someone like Mathews, who has a huge national TV show, would be spewing this crap!

Clash City Rocker

(3,396 posts)
4. The world treats her as African American
Wed Jan 23, 2019, 03:30 PM
Jan 2019

Which means she’s had to work twice as hard to get to where she is. The fact that she’s a woman means she’s had to work harder still. So yes, she has every right to identify as African American. The question pisses me off.

My wife is African American. She has a B.S. from Yale and a. Ph. D from Stanford. She speaks five languages. But some of her coworkers treat her like an idiot because of her gender and the color of her skin. This is what a woman of color has to deal with every damn day. To question her race on top of that is laughable.

bigtree

(85,986 posts)
6. that's the other side of history
Wed Jan 23, 2019, 03:37 PM
Jan 2019

...the one I'm living in.

I've said that, 'I take the pains of my skin color, so I deserve to wear it with pride.'

Celerity

(43,316 posts)
7. amazing post and I found your even bigger, better one, from 7 years go, via search
Wed Jan 23, 2019, 03:47 PM
Jan 2019
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1187585

My family history is even more complicated (especially the West Indian side) and racially ambiguous, so this all really rings true and close to home for me.


Keep up the wonderful work!

bigtree

(85,986 posts)
8. that's an awesome bio
Wed Jan 23, 2019, 04:02 PM
Jan 2019

...it's junky and profound, just the way I found it in what remained from my mother.

Thanks for looking it up!

Celerity

(43,316 posts)
10. I found it via Google image search on Rochelle Searcy, as she looks a whole lot like my
Wed Jan 23, 2019, 04:06 PM
Jan 2019

sister (although I doubt they are the same in height as my sister is 6-3, lolol.)

maryallen

(2,172 posts)
11. Your mom ---
Wed Jan 23, 2019, 04:08 PM
Jan 2019

Thank you for sharing this information about your mother. I found her story very interesting and was delighted by the pictures.

IronLionZion

(45,427 posts)
16. Yes, but I'll also claim her as Indian
Wed Jan 23, 2019, 05:14 PM
Jan 2019

because it's great to show that we're not all tech support or gas station workers and millions of us are US citizens not H1b.

There are tons of Blindians in this world who identify as black or are known as black. A hell of a lot more than you might expect: Nikki Minaj, Chili from TLC, actress Jazsmin Lewis, rapper Bizzy Bone from Bone Thugz and Harmony, and many more. The Caribbean, especially Trinidad, is full of Blindians. Also some African countries. I have several in my own family.

It's nice of Chris Matthews to try and divide people to discourage black Americans from voting for her. Black people tend to be more welcoming to mixed race people than some others. A recent example is our last Democratically elected President was just as white as he is black, yet the black community claimed him as black and many whites decided that his birth certificate must be fake because he doesn't look like how they picture an American.

Harris will get plenty of support from black, Indian, white, and whoever else. If she's the nominee, she'll get support from the "Any rational human being 2020" crowd against Trump.

But I have absolutely no doubt that if I decide to support her in the primaries, some folks will say it's because I'm Indian. And I won't care.

bigtree

(85,986 posts)
17. good post
Wed Jan 23, 2019, 05:21 PM
Jan 2019

...thanks for this.

I'm going to guess that Kamala Harris is going to transcend most of these racial identifications, but I'm certain she has a wealth of a legacy she's willing to share and express which she inherited from her mother, as well as her dad.

IronLionZion

(45,427 posts)
18. Good OP, thanks for sharing the story about your mother
Wed Jan 23, 2019, 05:25 PM
Jan 2019

unfortunately we will always have to deal with people like Chris Matthews though. It's a fact of life.

radius777

(3,635 posts)
22. I think he asks a valid sociopolitical question,
Wed Jan 23, 2019, 06:13 PM
Jan 2019

even if asked clumsily.

Obviously Harris identifies and is viewed as a black woman.. but she does have an East Indian first name, and I'm sure she's proud of that heritage as well. Tiger Woods famously said he doesnt consider himself black, but "caublanasian". There are mixed-race PoC who identify equally with both/multiple sides of their heritage, although the reality of America is people usually identify by what race they most look like.

CM comes from ethnic (white) neighborhoods in Philly. Ethnicity/tribal identification can be a funny thing when it comes to politics, even JFK faced questions from both sides, whether he was too Irish or not enough.. Obama similar thing, whether he was too black or not enough.

I doubt KH would be affected by this dynamic, if anything sexism would play more of a role, but the question is still valid when it comes to understanding politics.

Hekate

(90,645 posts)
45. Your first paragraph ...
Wed Jan 23, 2019, 10:08 PM
Jan 2019

As I've mentioned from time to time I grew up in Hawai'i and that experience shaped my attitudes toward race and ethnicity. People who were mixed were proud of their complex heritage, but to a certain extent you were who you said you were, especially if you could work up a tan.

I was kinda sad to be so very very white bread and freckled and stuff. It wasn't until I was in my 30s and visited Boston that I realized that what I looked like was Irish. Very very ethnically Irish. Right down to the freckles.

I love it that Kamala Harris has a complex heritage, and that Barack Obama does, and that they embrace -- what they choose to.

But that's just me.

nycbos

(6,034 posts)
26. How about we see her as a United States Senator and and candidate for POTUS.
Wed Jan 23, 2019, 07:54 PM
Jan 2019

Sincerely,


A jew who looks Irish.

Hekate

(90,645 posts)
44. Sincerely...
Wed Jan 23, 2019, 09:54 PM
Jan 2019

In my Irish-American family, my mom's younger brother looked Jewish and my dad's uncle did also. As they were informed from time to time by others.

Go figure.

spicysista

(1,663 posts)
28. Beautiful, truly amazing.
Wed Jan 23, 2019, 08:06 PM
Jan 2019

It was an honor to read this post. Such an intimate peek into such an important person in your life! This was a very special treat. Thank you, bigtree.

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
32. Can we all just tune out Tweety for good?
Wed Jan 23, 2019, 08:12 PM
Jan 2019

He never adds anything of worth to the conversation and he spews spittle at everybody.

Mike Nelson

(9,951 posts)
35. Interesting history...
Wed Jan 23, 2019, 09:00 PM
Jan 2019

… Harris is my present favorite. I had no idea what her heritage was... she's very Presidential, though. The blonde in the pictures is lovely - and so are all her classmates!

Hekate

(90,645 posts)
37. When Obama started his potus campaign there was a fight here--HERE--over whether he was ...
Wed Jan 23, 2019, 09:05 PM
Jan 2019

..."black enough."

Something about his white mama and grandparents and his daddy that was African and not African American, and I can't remember the rest.

Sadly, that kind of racism is not confined to old white nitwits like Tweety.

Iggo

(47,549 posts)
47. Or what.
Wed Jan 23, 2019, 10:13 PM
Jan 2019

The answer to that question is the same as when they asked it about Barack: "When the cops stop her, what race do you think they think she is?"

Or the short version: "You got eyes, idiot?"

jcgoldie

(11,631 posts)
42. This is a great post... personal, historical, and relevant to the topic
Wed Jan 23, 2019, 09:37 PM
Jan 2019

Thank you for sharing your mother's experience.

pnwmom

(108,976 posts)
48. You have a beautiful family and your family's story is representative of millions.
Wed Jan 23, 2019, 10:19 PM
Jan 2019

Thanks for taking the time to share this with us.

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