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Wed Jan 23, 2019, 04:25 PM

On "Cohen is a convicted liar, and therefore his testimony is worthless"

That argument is being floated in various right wing circles.

It is fundamentally flawed, and it is important to understand why.

Taking that argument of "he's a convicted liar, so what he has to say doesn't matter", you have to go back a step and consider:

And what was he convicted of lying to Congress about?

The thing that he lied to Congress about was, in fact, an attempt to conceal the fact that negotiations about Trump Tower continued well into the campaign.

So the "he's a convicted liar" argument hinges on admitting that Trump was still dealing with Moscow when the campaign was on.

The Republicans can't have it both ways.

They can't say "Cohen is a convicted liar" and "Trump wasn't negotiating with Russia during the campaign".

In order to agree that "Cohen is a liar", they have to admit that Trump was dealing with Russians.

And that bring us to the most important point about "Cohen is a liar".


Why did Cohen lie, and to whose benefit did Cohen lie?



COHEN LIED TO PROTECT TRUMP.


It's not really a problem for Cohen if he was dealing with Russians on Trump's behalf for well into the campaign. Cohen had no independent reason to lie about that subject to Congress.

The only reason for Cohen to have lied to Congress was for Trump's benefit.

Clearly, that incentive is no longer present. Having had documentary evidence of these negotiations presented to him by investigators, or knowing that they had such evidence, during his criminal proceeding Cohen could no longer maintain that lie without digging himself a deeper hole by lying to the investigators.

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Reply On "Cohen is a convicted liar, and therefore his testimony is worthless" (Original post)
jberryhill Jan 2019 OP
Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2019 #1
bearsfootball516 Jan 2019 #2
dhill926 Jan 2019 #3
jberryhill Jan 2019 #4
dhill926 Jan 2019 #5
liberalla Jan 2019 #6

Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Wed Jan 23, 2019, 04:27 PM

1. logic escapes RW except when it advances their ideology

Logic is so elusive.

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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Wed Jan 23, 2019, 04:34 PM

2. Discredit the messenger, discredit the message

It's been what Trump's done since day 1 with the media. If he can make his base believe everything that ABC, CBS, CNN, NBC, MSNBC, NYT, WaPo, etc is "fake news", then they won't believe anything they actually say.

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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Wed Jan 23, 2019, 04:36 PM

3. K & R....

to the point and easy to understand...thanks for this...

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Response to dhill926 (Reply #3)

Wed Jan 23, 2019, 04:41 PM

4. It's like saying....


"I could not have robbed the bank, because I was home all day burying my wife in the back yard."

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #4)

Wed Jan 23, 2019, 04:42 PM

5. haha....yep...

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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Wed Jan 23, 2019, 04:44 PM

6. That Cohen would lie and cheat for tRumpf were job requirements...

Being honest and ethical would get your application sent to the trash bin. tRumpf wants people who will cut corners, bend the rules (or ignore them), and of course, the necessary lying and cheating...

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