Christie says the Trump campaign couldn't have colluded because they were too disorganized

[Clash City Rocker]

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/28/politics/chris-christie-donald-trump-no-collusion/index.html

To be fair, it’s the most logical reason anyone has given to date.

[True Dough]

1. Yeah, that sort of sounds plausible

But you'd think they'd bumbled and stumbled a lot in the process of trying. There should be plenty of damaging clues for Mueller to uncover.

[underpants]

2. Clustertrump didn't pay attention to details

like, you know, the law.

[Faux pas]

3. How organized do

dupes have to be?

[DonaldsRump]

4. They had no ethics, morals, or care for the law

Trump has never had to worry about shareholders etc to run his companies. He has no clue about ethics, as he was never responsible to anyone but himself until the POTUS job came along.

These people have NO moral compass to tell them right from wrong. Lying is seen as an acceptable and usual form of communication.

Great ethical stalwarts like Manafort and Stone, along with a cast of incompetent buffoons like Sam Nunberg, Carter Page etc, round out just a few reasons why Russian collusion is actually the only possible way that Trump "defeated" HRC.

[Downtown Hound]

5. And their disorganization

Is why Mueller has one hell of a case now.

[dem4decades]

6. Says the guy that knew nothing about the lane closures.

[rusty fender]

22. Beat me to it!

[BlueIdaho]

7. I call bullshit...

I suspect Chris “Bridgegate” Christie is as dirty as the rest of these wannabe gangsters.

[global1]

8. Oh Come On Now - Nice Excuse - Which I Don't Believe.....

Just like they say they didn't think they'd win. Yet everything they did and continue to do looks calculated. Didn't they pay to influence poll numbers? Set up backchannels? Meet to get dirt on Hillary?

Nice try Crispy but I don't believe for a minute that they bumbled into things.

[unblock]

9. Too incompetent to do it *and not get caught*

[Andy823]

19. Exactly!

They did it, got caught, and now they are trying to spin it.

[RazzleCat]

10. I sort of believe it

I have been of the mind that Trump was just too dumb to get he was being used. Follow up with, when he figured it out, to proud to say I was that stupid, so the massive deflection/coverup on his part.

[RockRaven]

11. Except that the people on Trump's side don't have to be organized to engage in a conspiracy...

as long as the Russians are organized, a dozen or a hundred different Trumpsters can commit discrete treasonous acts which DO connect, just through Russians instead of each other. I'm not saying this is what happened, just that it illustrates how specious and disingenuous Christie's argument is.

AND Christie is full of s--t anyway. We know he's full of s--t because of the Trump Tower "adoption" meeting alone. That is only one of a hundred conspiratorial actions already documented in national news media, never mind what our intelligence services and Mueller know.

[klook]

12. Ah yes, the Idiot Defense.

I thought I made that up, and then found out it's a thing!

The idiot defense is a satirical term for a legal strategy where a defendant claims innocence by virtue of having been ignorant of facts of which the defendant would normally be expected to be aware. Other terms used for this tactic include "dumb CEO defense", "dummy defense", "ostrich defense", "Ken Lay defense", and "Sergeant Schultz defense".

The term was popularized as a result of a number of high-profile corporate accounting scandal defendants claiming that all wrongdoing was performed by others, without the defendant's knowledge or consent. Attorneys for these defendants claimed that their skill was in valuation and deal-making, and that they lacked the training to recognize fraudulent accounting practices they claimed that they would have needed. However, in many cases the defendants' subordinates testified that the defendants ordered them to falsify the accounts.

No major instances of the idiot defense being successful in criminal proceedings have been reported in American jurism to date. Instead, all such uses are widely believed to have resulted in the defendants employing idiot defenses being found guilty on at least some if not all counts.

- Also see:

• Wikipedia: "Idiot Defense" entry


• Vanity Fair: "Is Don Jr. Embracing the Idiot Defense?"

[MoonRiver]

13. Nope. Putin was orchestrating everything.

Idiot's problem was revealing all the collusion on national t.v.

[uponit7771]

14. That's not a rational position seeing the Trump Tower meeting was text book collusion... PERIOD.

Christie can tell the talking heads those aren't the drones they're looking for but not the rest of us

[JI7]

15. it's not logical. just because you suck at it

[lame54]

16. The gang that couldn't shoot straight was still a gang

[Clash City Rocker]

25. LOL. Best response in this thread, IMO.

[FakeNoose]

17. OK I guess that means Chris Christie wasn't in on it

... doesn't mean it didn't happen though. Christie had been a tough Attorney General in New Jersey, so I don't think they would parade their criminal behavior right in front of him.

[Dread Pirate Roberts]

20. Christie was never NJ's Attorney General

He was U.S. Attorney for NJ and he wasn't all that tough. He liked to make a publicity splash, but tough? Nah. He also couldn't follow the ethics rules too closely while he served in that job.

[FakeNoose]

21. OK

Thanks for setting me straight on that. I don't live in NJ so my memory is faulty.

[Dread Pirate Roberts]

23. He just made believe he was tough, he really wasn't

He was a real jerk as U.S. Attorney, just like when he was governor. Just like when he served in local office before that. You have to admire his consistency. The fact that he doesn't look so bad in retrospect is testament to just how bad Trump is. They're cut from the same corrupt cloth.

[Clash City Rocker]

24. Besides, Rudy G seemed to be tough on crime back in the day

And we’ve seen how that turned out.

[Beausoleil]

18. Hmmm.... The lying about Russian contacts

was extremely well organized.

[no_hypocrisy]

26. The Gang That Couldn't Shoot Straight (Jimmy Breslin)

I don't think this applies to Trump and Co.

[sakabatou]

27. Riight...

[guillaumeb]

28. Welcome to DU.

Is this the well known "I am too stupid" defense?

From another GOP failure?

[SWBTATTReg]

29. Actually I believe that because they were colluding, they ignored everything else because ...

they (rump campaign) knew of the upcoming Russian interference and thus, didn't make an serious effort to 'organize' and get out of the chaos (that other presidential campaigns would have done in the normal world), because they didn't want to interfere w/ the Russian interference.

[struggle4progress]

30. "My client couldn't have shot the sheriff because my client has really lousy aim"

[shanny]

31. yo, crispie: maybe that's why they left evidence

all over the effing place