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Mon Feb 4, 2019, 07:46 PM

I can't help but think the only reason there's any "controversy" about whether Northam should resign

is that his wrongdoing involved racism. I have no doubt that if it were any other kind of wrongdoing of comparable degree, many of the people who are fervently circling the wagons around him to protect him from supposedly be mistreated, would be calling for his ouster along with the majority of the party.

W.E.B. DuBois presciently predicted that the problem of the 20th century would be the problem of the color line. But even the brilliant Dr. DuBois might be surprised to see how stark that color line remains nearly 1/5 of the way through the 21st century.

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Reply I can't help but think the only reason there's any "controversy" about whether Northam should resign (Original post)
Empowerer Feb 2019 OP
WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2019 #1
Empowerer Feb 2019 #3
WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2019 #12
TexasBushwhacker Feb 2019 #43
left-of-center2012 Feb 2019 #2
Empowerer Feb 2019 #4
left-of-center2012 Feb 2019 #6
Empowerer Feb 2019 #8
left-of-center2012 Feb 2019 #10
Empowerer Feb 2019 #11
left-of-center2012 Feb 2019 #13
lunatica Feb 2019 #25
PJMcK Feb 2019 #5
Empowerer Feb 2019 #9
loyalsister Feb 2019 #7
Hortensis Feb 2019 #14
Empowerer Feb 2019 #15
Hortensis Feb 2019 #17
bitterross Feb 2019 #19
EffieBlack Feb 2019 #20
Hortensis Feb 2019 #46
Atticus Feb 2019 #38
PSPS Feb 2019 #16
peggysue2 Feb 2019 #18
EffieBlack Feb 2019 #21
peggysue2 Feb 2019 #22
mr_lebowski Feb 2019 #31
peggysue2 Feb 2019 #44
mr_lebowski Feb 2019 #51
blueinredohio Feb 2019 #23
Yonnie3 Feb 2019 #27
aka-chmeee Feb 2019 #24
Gothmog Feb 2019 #26
Demsrule86 Feb 2019 #29
Empowerer Feb 2019 #32
Demsrule86 Feb 2019 #33
Empowerer Feb 2019 #35
Demsrule86 Feb 2019 #39
Demsrule86 Feb 2019 #28
EffieBlack Feb 2019 #30
Demsrule86 Feb 2019 #34
Empowerer Feb 2019 #37
Demsrule86 Feb 2019 #40
Empowerer Feb 2019 #41
cbdo2007 Feb 2019 #49
Empowerer Feb 2019 #50
Demsrule86 Feb 2019 #36
Proud Liberal Dem Feb 2019 #42
Empowerer Feb 2019 #45
Proud Liberal Dem Feb 2019 #47
cbdo2007 Feb 2019 #48

Response to Empowerer (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2019, 07:51 PM

1. White people find it very easy to excuse racism that wasn't a cross-burning or actual personal

violence.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #1)

Mon Feb 4, 2019, 07:54 PM

3. True

But one would think that a picture of blackface and Klan robes would be much closer to those things on demonstrable racism spectrum than to, for example, "racially charged" comments.

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Response to Empowerer (Reply #3)

Mon Feb 4, 2019, 08:02 PM

12. One would hope. But if someone's at a party having fun in such a costume, I think it's much easier

for white people to rationalize it -- after all, there's clearly no mean intent. It's a party; they're having fun. White people don't realize the pain those images invoke.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 5, 2019, 03:42 PM

43. Not this white person n/t

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Response to Empowerer (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2019, 07:53 PM

2. Who is "circling the wagons around him"?

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #2)

Mon Feb 4, 2019, 07:54 PM

4. Seriously?

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Response to Empowerer (Reply #4)

Mon Feb 4, 2019, 07:55 PM

6. yes

who?

From what I hear on TV news and read online,
people are demanding he resign.

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #6)

Mon Feb 4, 2019, 07:57 PM

8. I'm going to assume you've been off of DU for awhile and so will give you

time to read through the multiple threads and posts defending and making excuses for Northam so you can catch up and understand what I'm talking about.

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Response to Empowerer (Reply #8)

Mon Feb 4, 2019, 07:58 PM

10. no

I'm here daily and for a few hours off and on during the day.

Please direct me to a few posts.
Thanks

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #10)

Mon Feb 4, 2019, 08:00 PM

11. No I'm not going to direct you. If you're really interested, they're easy

to find.

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Response to Empowerer (Reply #11)

Mon Feb 4, 2019, 08:02 PM

13. Okie dokie

Thank you.

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #13)

Tue Feb 5, 2019, 02:34 PM

25. Really? You haven't seen a single Northam apologist in the last few days?

Then you haven’t been on DU as you claim.

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Response to Empowerer (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2019, 07:55 PM

5. Totally agree but I have one minor quibble

Your observations about Northam are spot-on. I think he should resign but that's my opinion sitting on the sidelines.

Your observations about the brilliant Dr. DuBois are also adroit.

Your trivial error is that we are not even yet a fifth of the way through the 21st century, not a quarter of the way.

Otherwise, K&R!

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Response to PJMcK (Reply #5)

Mon Feb 4, 2019, 07:58 PM

9. I was rounding up, but you're right. I'll edit.

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Response to Empowerer (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2019, 07:56 PM

7. It's white supremacy in action

Loyalty to powerful white people who allegedly support our values is a protective mechanism that maintains a social position built on oppressing people of color. Just because someone is appalled by malicious bigotry, doesn't mean they won't work to protect their social position.

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Response to Empowerer (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2019, 08:05 PM

14. Yeah, whatever. A nasty far-right agitprop group called "Big League Politics"

would appreciate that simple black-white focus. OF COURSE they're trying to sow dissension between POC Democrats and the rest of the party. OF COURSE they're trying to sow dissension between women Democrats and the rest of the party.

Don't look past, at them, and wonder who else is behind this attempt to take out the Democrats Virginia voters elected.

NYT: With Northam Picture, Obscure Publication Plays Big Role in Virginia Politics

A racist photograph on the 1984 yearbook page of Gov. Ralph Northam of Virginia. An accusation of sexual assault against Lt. Gov. Justin Fairfax. Both reports — the first triggering an earthquake in Virginia politics last week, the second setting off an aftershock on Monday — were originally published by an obscure right-wing news site, Big League Politics, which has promoted conspiracy theories and written favorably about white nationalist candidates. ...

And Mr. Fritsch, a North Carolina-based political consultant, has worked for Paul Nehlen, an anti-Semitic Wisconsin congressional candidate who challenged former House Speaker Paul D. Ryan, and Roy Moore, the Alabama Senate candidate accused of sexual misconduct with teenagers. Last year, Mr. Fritsch was fired as a top aide by Corey Stewart, the Republican senatorial nominee in Virginia, after reports of anti-Muslim comments he had made on social media, as well as saying Senator John McCain “sold all his comrades down the river” as a prisoner of war in Vietnam.

Mr. Howley, before hanging up his own agitprop shingle, had a rocky tour of duty at some of Washington’s leading conservative news organizations. Provocation is a stock-in-trade for right-wing writers in Washington, but former colleagues said Mr. Howley’s behavior, in public tweets and private emails, went beyond mischief and into darker territory. His tenure at The Daily Caller, then overseen by Tucker Carlson, was marred by a vicious online attack directed at a female reporter for BuzzFeed News; Mr. Howley later apologized.
Later, at Breitbart News, Mr. Howley earned colleagues’ ire when he questioned the credibility of Michelle Fields, a Breitbart reporter who said she was assaulted by Mr. Trump’s campaign manager, Corey Lewandowski, at a Florida rally. Mr. Howley, 29, co-founded Big League Politics in 2017, after deciding that Breitbart, which had aggressively backed Mr. Trump’s presidential campaign, had gone soft. In an article in The Daily Caller in 2017, Mr. Howely called the conspiracy theorist Alex Jones, who has claimed the Sandy Hook school massacre was faked, as “basically my Walter Cronkite now.’’ ...

On Monday, The Washington Post said it had been aware of the accusation for more than a year, and had investigated but declined to publish a story because it could not corroborate the woman’s account or find people she had told about the alleged assault. Mr. Howley defended running the story without trying to verify its truthfulness. ...

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/04/us/politics/northam-fairfax-big-league-politics.html

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #14)

Mon Feb 4, 2019, 08:19 PM

15. You think black folks don't know that?

But here's the thing. There's ALWAYS an excuse when it comes to these things. And the excuses for this one are doozies:

A right wing source published the picture so we should ignore it

Somebody else put that picture on his page

He didn't know about the picture until Friday

He thought it was a picture of him wearing blackface or a Klan robe but now knows it wasn't really him

What's a little blackface between friends?

THEY have way more racists than we do and they get to keep them. Why can't we keep ours?

I know I never gave Ralph Northam 20 seconds of thought before Friday, but now that I know a little about him (even if the only thing I know is that he's a Democrat and he did some really racist things), he's my new hero and it's my sacred mission to protect him. And I hereby demand that ALL Democrats, especially the black ones, make it THEIR sacred mission to protect him too!

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Response to Empowerer (Reply #15)

Mon Feb 4, 2019, 08:41 PM

17. I thought and still do that we shouldn't deflect the subject away from

what's really happening here -- these vicious political attempts to take out two Democratic politicians elected in a state traditionally run by a ruthless white Republican establishment -- to exactly what these far-right troublemakers are trying to inflame: racial strife.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #17)

Mon Feb 4, 2019, 09:06 PM

19. I think you hit the nail on the head.

 

Everyone's talking about racial strife within the Democratic ranks. Focus is off Trump and all the real racists in the GOP.

Democrats are furious at each other. Huge win for the GOP.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #17)

Mon Feb 4, 2019, 09:07 PM

20. Who's "we"?

 

Are you saying that black people are deflecting the message by talking about Northam's racism or that we don't understand what's "really happening here?""

There's always an excuse to ignore black people and tell them to go along, swallow their pride, put up with the indefensible and wait this one out until next time. This time it's "the GOP is rat-f*ucking, so the only way to stand up to them is to protect the racist governor - THAT'LL show them!"

And why is it that folks always seem to think that the only way to avoid "inflaming racial strife" is for black folk to do all of the compromising?

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #20)

Tue Feb 5, 2019, 04:05 PM

46. Oh, is Empowerer black?

What I think, Effie, is that POC have every bit as much at stake as everyone else, and more, in protecting democracy. And I don't understand why you're not scared yet. Do you really doubt what it would mean to be black in an authoritarian state run by white nationalists once your vote had no power? The vote is everything.

And our huge, shared threat is on the right. I'm neither your enemy nor, in my opinion, a problem you should be spending time swatting at. But that's just my opinion, of course.

Btw, right after Venezuela's opposition legislative parties finally came together well enough to get control, Maduro and his cronies brought them to a halt by changing the laws they needed to do it. That's only one nation where democracy was lost in this manner, and it really can happen here. In fact, I believe we're watching a right-wing takeover in slow motion. Wish I could fast-forward to see how it ends so I'd know what actions to take, or not.

Now, please don't respond by telling me once again what all's wrong with my attitudes toward POC because I won't read that stuff. Maybe spend a moment wondering how you'd make a living if whatever license you have were taken away instead. (It wouldn't be by Democrats, of course.) I believe it's past time to start contemplating worst cases.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #17)

Tue Feb 5, 2019, 03:34 PM

38. So, if a right wing website publishes an unaltered photograph of a Democrat engaged in

outrageously racist conduct as an adult, you're pissed at the RWNJ's but NOT the racist Democrat?

Who GAVE them that smear material? Who ran for high elected office KNOWING this yearbook photo and nickname were "out there", but just really, really, really hoped no RWNJ's---or responsible journalist---would find it?

That's not " deflecting from what's really happening", It's considering ALL of what really happened---not just the stuff the bad guys did.

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Response to Empowerer (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2019, 08:34 PM

16. Hundreds of fake social-media accounts have been keeping this "controversy" alive

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Response to PSPS (Reply #16)

Mon Feb 4, 2019, 08:59 PM

18. You know, I seriously wondered about that--the shelf life of this 'controversy'

Didn't the Secretary of State in Florida resign for the same charge--a photo where he was having his own blackface moment. He admitted it, resigned and the whole story was a blip on the radar. Maybe it was a big story in-state but it wasn't a national story going on 4 days.

Strange how these things work. Or not.

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Response to peggysue2 (Reply #18)

Mon Feb 4, 2019, 09:09 PM

21. This became a big story when Ralph Northam decided not to step down

 

If he had stepped down, this story would have died days ago.

He's decided to pull a Trump/Kavanaugh and dig in his heels and defy the vast majority of Democrats in his state and across the country. It's a disgrace.

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #21)

Mon Feb 4, 2019, 09:28 PM

22. I'm not backpedalling on what I believe Northam should do

Resign. For the good of everyone at this point.

But in light of the allegations made against Justin Fairfax that just happened to resurface, I think we need a solid heads up on how social media serves as an accelerant to these stories and headlines, fans the flames of chaos and dissension.

I simply do not think the timing of these two stories--as different as they are--is an accident/coincidence.

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Response to peggysue2 (Reply #18)

Tue Feb 5, 2019, 03:06 PM

31. Peggy, it's so far from the same charge ...

1) WAY more recent, when there's NO QUESTION how socially unacceptable it was, at the time.
2) WAY more publicly done
3) Ridiculed not only black folks in general, but made direct references to how they want special treatment/welfare type stuff
4) Ridiculed Hurricane Katrina survivors.

All of this was INCONTROVERTIBLE, by any reasonable assessment.

Not the same thing.

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Response to mr_lebowski (Reply #31)

Tue Feb 5, 2019, 03:43 PM

44. Well then, I stand down . . .

with those additional details provided. Thanks for the info, Mr. L.

But I am still concerned about the social media factor, how once the accelerant is added we end up with an uncontrollable conflagration, barely able to talk/discuss among ourselves. That worries me. That I think is purposeful.

As for Florida's SOS? No wonder they dumped him so quickly!

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Response to peggysue2 (Reply #44)

Tue Feb 5, 2019, 05:13 PM

51. :)

Yeah, it was real bad ... scroll down to see some of the photos ... somehow it was conveyed that he was dressed as "Katrina Victim', not sure how.

But yeah, this is definitely a conflagration on our side. Mission accomplished.

https://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/2019/01/24/new-secretary-state-ertel-dressed-blackface-halloween-2005/2649161002/

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Response to Empowerer (Original post)

Mon Feb 4, 2019, 09:34 PM

23. If the people of Virginia want to get rid of him

can't he be recalled if he doesn't resign?

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Response to blueinredohio (Reply #23)

Tue Feb 5, 2019, 02:44 PM

27. There are no provisions in Virginia for a recall by the electorate

He can be impeached, but this requires "malfeasance in office, corruption, neglect of duty, or other high crime or misdemeanor."

If he is incapacitated, mentally or physically, he can be replaced. I haven't read up on the process.

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Response to Empowerer (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2019, 02:28 PM

24. Short of damned near any CRIME except murder,

The statute of limitations would prevent action against anyone after only 5 or 6 years.

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Response to Empowerer (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2019, 02:36 PM

26. I am very white and I strongly believe that Northam should resign

Racism is more than sufficient justification for a forced resignation

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #26)

Tue Feb 5, 2019, 02:57 PM

29. And when Fairfax is forced out? And he will be. We are playing into the 'GOP's hands...

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #29)

Tue Feb 5, 2019, 03:17 PM

32. If Fairfax is forced out - and based on what we know so far, he shouldn't be

(unless the people who defended Northam suddenly change their standards and go after him), then the Democratic AG will take over.

And then he and any Democrats who participated in pushing Fairfax out will be lucky to ever get elected to anything ever again after spitting in the faces of the black voters of Virginia.

And if you're so frightened that the Democratic AG could be the victim of GOP dirty tricks, then you should just stop trying to elect any Democrat to any position anywhere in the country since that's always a risk anyplace you look, including the presidential line of succession.

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Response to Empowerer (Reply #32)

Tue Feb 5, 2019, 03:28 PM

33. You don't understand. Once Fairfax is governor, the GOP will force an election for LT governor

And if they win which they might, he will replace Fairfax. It will also create chaos during the legislative elections that are this year where we only need a handful of seats. We should allow Northam to find redemption and stand behind Fairfax.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #33)

Tue Feb 5, 2019, 03:31 PM

35. You're making up a whole lot of scenarios out of whole cloth.

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Response to Empowerer (Reply #35)

Tue Feb 5, 2019, 03:35 PM

39. I posted yesterday a Vox article that outlined exactly what I describe. You think the combined

Northam and Fairfax attacks are a coincidence...and the legislature can call for a special election this year for LT governor.

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Response to Empowerer (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2019, 02:57 PM

28. Baloney. The rightwing smear machine is going after Fairfax as well...we don't want to give the seat

away to Republicans or allow them to destroy our elected folks. It was 35 years ago...so not worth give the seat away to a f'ing racist Republican.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #28)

Tue Feb 5, 2019, 03:06 PM

30. How do you know the seat would go to a racist Republican?

 

And are you actually saying we should keep someone with an unatoned history of racism who, apparently, is still clueless about what any of it means ("Sure I wore blackface and everyone who does it knows it's hard to get off ..." because there's a remote possibility that some unnamed Republican will eventually down the line get the job?

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #30)

Tue Feb 5, 2019, 03:31 PM

34. I say he should be allowed to first prove if he can that it wasn't him in the picture and then to

atone for his misdeeds if it was him...and all Republicans are racist or they wouldn't be Republicans. I have heard of no blemish on Northam concerning race since that time. They are going after the seat. We should n't help them for something that happened 35 years ago. a GOP in the governors mansion in 20 would be a disaster. It is a census year.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #34)

Tue Feb 5, 2019, 03:34 PM

37. The issue is that he wore blackface, not that he got photographed while doing it

He admits he wore blackface and hinted that he did it more than once. It doesn't matter whether he's the one in the picture.

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Response to Empowerer (Reply #37)

Tue Feb 5, 2019, 03:37 PM

40. It was 35 year ago...and he was Michael Jackson. Don't people deserve a second chance?

What matters to me is that the GOP plot to bring down both Northam and Fairfax does not succeed and we keep the governorship which is what this is about.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #40)

Tue Feb 5, 2019, 03:40 PM

41. People didn't put shoe polish on their faces to imitate Michael Jackson

He deserves a second chance once he earns it. He should leave office and work on doing that.

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Response to Empowerer (Reply #41)

Tue Feb 5, 2019, 04:29 PM

49. What would he have to do to earn your forgiveness?

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Response to cbdo2007 (Reply #49)

Tue Feb 5, 2019, 04:57 PM

50. My forgiveness is not the issue

He said himself that it will take much work and time to make amends for his conduct and that the first step was to apologize. I assume that he doesn't think that he had completed that work by the next afternoon.

An overwhelming number of his constituents (of which I am one) have made clear to him that an important part of the atonement he promised is to step down from the governor's office that we gave him under false pretenses.

It's not like leaving the governor's office is a death sentence. No one's trying to send him to jail or strip him of his livelihood. He can make plenty of money as a physician and have a lovely life as a private citizen. He can even work his way back into elected office.

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #30)

Tue Feb 5, 2019, 03:32 PM

36. The GOP will call a special election as soon as Fairfax becomes governor for LT governor in the hope

that this person will take the seat if Fairfax is forced out...and he very well may be forced out if people don't have his back. The election can be called this year.

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Response to Empowerer (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2019, 03:41 PM

42. He didn't allegedly commit a crime

like, say, Kavanaugh. Awful poor taste? Hell yes. But there's a difference. Plus 30+ years. It would be a more pressing issue if it had happened more recently and I get the immediate and visceral reaction there is to it, but I mean, c'mon, do we not have any more serious or more pressing issues to worry about at the moment?

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #42)

Tue Feb 5, 2019, 03:49 PM

45. Unless it was a crime, it doesn't matter?

How convenient ...

I'll focus on what I think is important, even if you don't think it is.

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Response to Empowerer (Reply #45)

Tue Feb 5, 2019, 04:05 PM

47. that is your prerogative

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Response to Empowerer (Original post)

Tue Feb 5, 2019, 04:25 PM

48. Please list some "wrongdoings of comparable degree"

Do you equate this as a type of assault?

For me...he didn't do anything illegal and the amount of time that has passed and we don't know his intentions or if this was even really his fault that that this pictures were there.

He certainly doesn't seem like this is the way he is now and has worked in public service to be a good person and do good for people, so there is a lot to take into account here, a lot more than one cloudy incident from decades ago.

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