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For years, we have witnessed many comments on this board concerning the New England Patriots and their "love" of Trump. Some go so far as to say us New Englanders should shun our own team due to the possible political opinions and actions of Bob Kraft, Bill Belichick and Tom "GOAT" Brady.
I disagree.
We already have several players state they will not visit the White House if invited. One, Duron Harmon, has even suggested he would like to do as the Warriors did and meet with Obama instead! To me, this suggests that the Pats are indeed a team I could support, since they have players of this great moral strength!
tldr: Not All Patriots!
hlthe2b
(106,488 posts)Good on the fans who support them.
But, even so, they did manage to give us one of the most boring SuperBowls on record, so there is that....
ExciteBike66
(2,640 posts)Jeffersons Ghost
(15,235 posts)Who has a list of NFL players, who refused to stand for the National Anthem, at the beginning of the season, to protest tRumps racist agenda?
GusBob
(7,548 posts)-bad mouthing the protests
-bad mouthing the ratings
-bad mouthing the owners
-encouraging boycotts
-calling the players soft, calling them SOB's
-Pence walking out of a game
After all this any NFL player who visits the WH is a traitor to the league and his colleagues therein and can no longer be considered a professional athlete
Fortunately, by the time the Packers make the SB an Honorable man or woman will be president
Initech
(102,131 posts)flamingdem
(39,936 posts)* Didn't Brady skip going the last time?
The count is up to two Patriots players who say they will NOT visit the White House to meet Donald Trump -- with a third leaning heavily toward no.
Star safety Devin McCourty told the Associated Press while returning to New England on Monday with the Lombardi Trophy that he will not visit No. 45 if the Pats elect to go.
His twin brother, star corner Jason McCourty, was a little less committal ... but still seems like he'll follow his bro's lead and avoid 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. as well.
"I havent thought about it, but I highly doubt it," Jason said.
Of course, New England safety Duron Harmon has already pulled out of the possible event ... telling TMZ Sports after the Super Bowl, "They don't want me in the White House."
Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)Spin it however you have to to feel comfortable with yourself for cheering for Team MAGA, I guess.
ExciteBike66
(2,640 posts)Clash City Rocker
(3,541 posts)To be fair, I dont think anyone should change teams. Why give this disgusting owner that sort of power over your life? There was just a story that the Cubs are owned by Trumpers as well...I imagine many teams are. To own a sports team, you need a lot of money and a big ego, and anyone who fits that description stands a good chance of being a Republican.
That said, yeah, its Team Trump. Patriots fans need to own that.
rockfordfile
(8,731 posts)I don't have any problem with anybody cheering for their team. I remember the owner of the Clippers being a racist pos.
Croney
(4,925 posts)Not soon enough, but soon.
murielm99
(31,468 posts)I have no problem with that. Sometimes we should be allowed to enjoy sports or other forms of entertainment without entangling political opinions in the mix.
bdamomma
(66,561 posts)infusion of sport and politics should be separate, but that's what happens when you have a racist so called president.
I totally agree with your comment.
demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)we have enough of them in this world
ExciteBike66
(2,640 posts)demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)more than once
Clash City Rocker
(3,541 posts)Remember, its only Democrats that have to follow the rules.
ExciteBike66
(2,640 posts)And from a "bad" spot!
I hear that Spygate also put up 45 points on the Colts in the AFC game a few years back...
pwb
(12,202 posts)Just saying. They should have been able to tell. And both teams play with the same balls sometimes.
DinahMoeHum
(22,497 posts)IIRC, he didn't go the last time the Pats won the Super Bowl either.
And then there's Gisele, his high-fashion model better half, who, I hear, hates Trump.
I understand she's the one who wears the pants in their marriage.
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)The guy is the epitome of a PR fraud. He'll never have the guts to just say Trump is a fucking scumbag like a functioning human being.
drbtg1
(1,054 posts)...20 years ago about moving the team to Hartford when it was never their intention (and they had to repay CT for the crap they pulled). (For those outside of New England, on game days, Foxboro is an absolute disaster. Foxboro is basically the Armpit Of New England. Hartford would have been vastly superior with 2 intersecting interstates and plenty of potential locations.) Hartford was just a pawn in the pissing contest between the Krafts and Mass. leaders, so screw them. Consequestly, it's no surprise the sleazy Patriots leaders are on team MAGA.
(However, they did loan their team plane to the students for the March For Our Lives rally, so my hatred has lessened to some degree.)
ExciteBike66
(2,640 posts)Sucked when the Whalers left...
drbtg1
(1,054 posts)The Rowland record: failed to keep the Whalers in CT (although I think the fix was in due to Weicker), failed to avoid the games of the sleazy Krafts, failed to capitalize on the Clinton era economic boom, and failed to avoid jailtime.....twice.
ExciteBike66
(2,640 posts)Rachel Dratch voice: Are you here without a lover?
drbtg1
(1,054 posts)...in CT, they go to jail!
But yeah, I'm sure the free hot tub was worth the federal accommodations.
ExciteBike66
(2,640 posts)That prison probably has a hot tub itself...
drbtg1
(1,054 posts)I thought he went somewhere in Pennsylvania. No idea if that's considered a Club Fed.
Tarc
(10,575 posts)But if you have a source that states otherwise, I'd be happy to see it.
The deal included several out clauses for Kraft, for if the steam plant could not be moved, if the site could not be cleaned (the ground was saturated with old coal tar), and such.
It's business, nothing nefarious. Perhaps the CT governor at the time should not have promised things before securing them.
ExciteBike66
(2,640 posts)That's a bit too much to ask of any politician, isn't it?
drbtg1
(1,054 posts)...I seem to recall a certain orange tinted Republican promising Mexico would pay for something.
(To that I say (to paraphrase "Jerry Maguire" , "Show Me The Pesos!!!"
...but I digress.
drbtg1
(1,054 posts)Well, that is the most polite way I've heard around here asking for proof, so I'll give you points for that.
You can look for the article in the March 3, 2000 edition of the New York Times about the $2.4 million the Krafts and the NFL sent to CT in order to avoid a full-on lawsuit, which anyone who has followed then-Attorney General and now-Senator Richard Blumenthal knows he would have most certainly pursued. (No, no links. There is one, but that would be too easy. Besides, I already gave you points )
As for the steam plant and coal tar BS, there were plenty of other locations, as Rentschler Field and Dunkin' Donuts Park have overwhelmingly proven since then. But crafty Kraft insisted on that one site? Why is that lone site the only place he would accept? Hmm? Maybe because that would guarantee him an "out clause" while he was still illegally negotiating with Massachusetts? Hmmm???
No, it was not business. It was a contract violation, and thus fraud with a government entity. 100% Nefarious.
Congrats on your championship, however which way they got it.
Tarc
(10,575 posts)Not so much a penalty, but rather a reimbursement for the initial costs and studies and such. It also came from the League, not Kraft. As for the other bit, the initial agreement was for the steam plant land, not a less-desirable East Hartford location. If you'd like to read a pretty good recap of the events; Hartfords White Whale: How the Patriots Almost Became Connecticuts Team
Again, it's business. Kraft negotiated those escape clauses, and the governor signed off on them, for if the site wasn't gong to be ready by 2002. Sorry that your claim to fame remains a hockey team known as the Forever .500s, but them's the breaks.
drbtg1
(1,054 posts)...would be in if he was seen taking to the Massachusetts guy because that's a contract violation and thus fraud? I seem to recall that article.
As for the "your claim to fame" attack, considering the history of Boston and sports, this could lead us to an ugly area, so I'll leave that alone. I like Boston itself and harbor no ill will.
Tarc
(10,575 posts)By all means keep this up, though. I haven't been this amused with NYC's Bedroom since college, when I and a friend who was a Whalers fan used to wager a pint of Ben and Jerrys when the Bruins played the Whale.
Put on 5lb that year, but it was worth it.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,570 posts)....going to be the face of the franchise, and none of them are particularly likeable. Adept, certainly, but likeable, no.
It sucks because I'm sure there are plenty of good guys on the team who get overshadowed by those assholes.
edbermac
(16,115 posts)Hopefully she'll make Tom see the light.
LAS14
(14,716 posts).... contain anything about Kraft's lifelong Democratic identity and the story about Trump being kind when his wife had cancer, and about Brady declining some White House thing.. (like I said, I'm not educated on this stuff, but it's what usually shows up in these kind of threads.)
ExciteBike66
(2,640 posts)All one has to do is focus on the players not named "Brady".
Blue_Tires
(56,028 posts)who won't even be on the roster in July?
You team is also "Trump's Team" and there's no escaping this (Especially after Belichick's personal love letter to Donnie during the campaign) so you might as well embrace it.
ExciteBike66
(2,640 posts)And I bet many of the other players feel the same way about Trump as those two. McCourty also skipped the last visit, along with Hightower (also a well-known player).
These are only "no name" players to you because you have no idea what you are talking about.
Blue_Tires
(56,028 posts)Link to tweet
Of course you have no excuse for Belichick, Kraft and Brady; the only people who really matter for that franchise...
ExciteBike66
(2,640 posts)I am stating that a team is more than three individuals (two of which are not even players).
It is odd to me that DUers expect Pats fans to just give up on their home team and switch (what, to the Cowboys of Jerry Jones?).
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)You fans kiss the ass of "Mr Kraft" and treat him like some godlike savior.
Yet only days ago he couldn't resist kissing Dump and Rupert Murdoch's ass.
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/428012-patriots-owner-praises-trump-for-working-for-countrys-best-interests
He's a douchebag who probably got set up with some Russian hookers by Trump. Same with Belicheat. Hell, they probably all had sex in the same room. He must have something on him that the guy can trash his league and he still sucks up to him.
Fuck him and fuck your team. I hope they get food poisoning from the hamburders that cocksucker serves up to majority that will attend the WH like good little stooges.
Last year's CHAMPIONS stood up as a team like men and told him to fuck off.
ExciteBike66
(2,640 posts)Citation, please.
"Last year's CHAMPIONS stood up as a team like men and told him to fuck off."
Uh, not according to the below story. Even the Eagles head coach was going to attend. In fact, it was Trump who cancelled that event. Thanks for playing!
Also, the article states Wentz and Foles would have gone with the team if they had voted to go. I remember a Mr. Tom Brady who skipped going two years ago even though a bunch of the team members went.
https://www.mcall.com/sports/football/eagles/mc-spt-eagles-visit-white-house-20180604-story.html
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)I hear it all the time. "Mr Kraft" this, "Mr Kraft" that. It's sickening hero worship.
And Trump cancelled the White House visit when he learned the Eagles were pretty much to a man not going to go to "get the jump" on them. He must have learned such Machiavellian thinking from his buddy Belicheat.
I don't know how your statement about Foles and Wentz contradicts that. Clearly they realized their teammates were not interested.
Tommy Boy ducked out with his usual lame excuse about his parents being in town. Did the same to Obama. Weird dude.
Enjoy your hamburders bud! I'm sure Gerry Callahan will have a tear in his eye!
ExciteBike66
(2,640 posts)Foles, Wentz, and their coach are the faces of that org.
The other commenter tried to make an argument that we cannot focus on the "lesser" players when the faces of the Patriots (Brady, Belichick) are willing to go to the White House. That commenter stated that the Eagles were a shining example of giving Trump the middle finger. I refuted that characterization.
Maybe you should have reviewed that prior comment more closely?
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)But I guess he's just a janitor or something.