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crazytown

(7,277 posts)
Sun Feb 10, 2019, 11:15 AM Feb 2019

Angela Merkel has decided to close Germany's coal power plants. Аll of them.

(Reuters) - German Chancellor Angela Merkel said on Tuesday that her country would withdraw from coal-fired power production by 2038, showing her support for the deadline recommended by a government-appointed commission.

The so-called coal commission said last month that Germany should shut down all of its coal-fired power plants by 2038 at the latest and proposed at least 40 billion euros ($45.7 billion) in aid to coal-mining states affected by the phase-out.


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-energy-coal/germanys-merkel-signals-support-for-2038-coal-exit-deadline-idUSKCN1PU0BV

Merkel’s decision has stirred up considerable controversy in Germany. Critics contend that the Coal Power Plants could be closed a decade earlier if the Government was really serious. All of Germany’s nuclear power plants will be shuttered by 2022.

In 1990 there were 115,000 employees in the brown coal sector of reunited Germany. Now there are only 20,000. And there are 330,000 workers in renewables.

https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/coal-bites-the-dust-in-germany-europe-s-greenest-nation-20190208-p50wh0.html
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Angela Merkel has decided to close Germany's coal power plants. Аll of them. (Original Post) crazytown Feb 2019 OP
How much nuclear? marble falls Feb 2019 #1
Zero Nuclear. All Nuclear plants to close by 2022 crazytown Feb 2019 #3
And the US couldn't have done this, too??? Makes sense. Germany is running out of energy ... marble falls Feb 2019 #5
Surface coal mining devastated large areas in former East Germany. Merkel experienced it there bobbieinok Feb 2019 #2
Interesting point. crazytown Feb 2019 #4
I like the aid to the coal-mining states, too. LuvNewcastle Feb 2019 #6
I think that's very significant. crazytown Feb 2019 #8
exactly what Hillary proposed Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2019 #20
Just shows ya what an aggressive gov't supported solar program can do. Liberal In Texas Feb 2019 #7
Yeah. Why not require new buildings to be fitted with solar panels crazytown Feb 2019 #9
More work can be done in the area of turning roofing tiles into cheap solar energy converters. Blue_true Feb 2019 #10
That's cool. Liberal In Texas Feb 2019 #12
It's getting very clear... B Stieg Feb 2019 #11
This should make everyone smile: AllyCat Feb 2019 #13
45 billion???? Takket Feb 2019 #14
That's what I zeroed in on as well. Fuzzpope Feb 2019 #15
It Takes a Woman... dlk Feb 2019 #16
And how much will natural gas imports from Russia go up then? Ron Obvious Feb 2019 #17
The Public demanded the nuclear plants closed. crazytown Feb 2019 #18
NIMBY initiative. I'm sure they'll be happy to import natural gas, coal, and nuclear power... hunter Feb 2019 #19
The wind is pretty reliable out in the North Sea. crazytown Feb 2019 #21

marble falls

(57,010 posts)
5. And the US couldn't have done this, too??? Makes sense. Germany is running out of energy ...
Sun Feb 10, 2019, 11:54 AM
Feb 2019

from nonrenewable resources. The US still has cheap energy.

bobbieinok

(12,858 posts)
2. Surface coal mining devastated large areas in former East Germany. Merkel experienced it there
Sun Feb 10, 2019, 11:44 AM
Feb 2019

In 1990, a group I was with visited part of the former East Germany and saw some of the devastation for ourselves.

LuvNewcastle

(16,834 posts)
6. I like the aid to the coal-mining states, too.
Sun Feb 10, 2019, 11:57 AM
Feb 2019

If the Dem candidate proposes shutting down coal power plants, I think they should also propose job training and green jobs for coal-mining states in the U.S. WV and KY, for instance, need to stop depending on coal to pay their bills. They need to realize that coal jobs aren't going to be around much longer, at least not as many as there are now. If they get training and investment in their towns, coal dependent communities will be more likely to accept the loss of coal mining jobs.

crazytown

(7,277 posts)
8. I think that's very significant.
Sun Feb 10, 2019, 12:07 PM
Feb 2019

The rust belt was decimated by free trade deals. Politicians were eager to tout the benefits for the general economy but ‘forgot’ the communities that would pay the price. Aid should be targeted and generous.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,249 posts)
20. exactly what Hillary proposed
Sun Feb 10, 2019, 02:49 PM
Feb 2019

The plans that HRC published included infrastructure spending, 'green' jobs training, and 'green' manufacturing for displaced coal industry workers.

All of us were robbed in 2016. Gotta get the Russian mobsters out of our government.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
10. More work can be done in the area of turning roofing tiles into cheap solar energy converters.
Sun Feb 10, 2019, 12:38 PM
Feb 2019

Roofing technology is still in the dark ages.

Liberal In Texas

(13,531 posts)
12. That's cool.
Sun Feb 10, 2019, 01:00 PM
Feb 2019

Also require them to be wired in the garage or someplace outside to be able to plug-in a charging stations for electric cars.

AllyCat

(16,140 posts)
13. This should make everyone smile:
Sun Feb 10, 2019, 01:02 PM
Feb 2019

"In 1990 there were 115,000 employees in the brown coal sector of reunited Germany. Now there are only 20,000. And there are 330,000 workers in renewables".

Takket

(21,528 posts)
14. 45 billion????
Sun Feb 10, 2019, 01:03 PM
Feb 2019

How did they figure 45 billion for an industry with 20000 people? That is over 2 million for every person effected.

 

Fuzzpope

(602 posts)
15. That's what I zeroed in on as well.
Sun Feb 10, 2019, 01:33 PM
Feb 2019

That's a nice chunk of cash getting scrubbed.

Something stinks there.

 

Ron Obvious

(6,261 posts)
17. And how much will natural gas imports from Russia go up then?
Sun Feb 10, 2019, 02:05 PM
Feb 2019

Not that that isn't still an improvement from an environmental point of view, because coal is filthy, but you can't just change one factor in these complicated systems. Closing the nuclear power plants led to an increase in coal, and that was disastrous from an environmental point of view.

crazytown

(7,277 posts)
18. The Public demanded the nuclear plants closed.
Sun Feb 10, 2019, 02:27 PM
Feb 2019

There’s been a strong anti-nuclear sentiment in Germany since the 1980s. The Green Party there was founded on a platform of a nuclear free Germany.

What you say is correct - but you didn’t get any of the fallout from Chernobyl.

hunter

(38,302 posts)
19. NIMBY initiative. I'm sure they'll be happy to import natural gas, coal, and nuclear power...
Sun Feb 10, 2019, 02:39 PM
Feb 2019

... especially when the wind is not blowing and the sun is not shining over Germany.

Here is a chart of Germany's power mix:

https://www.energy-charts.de/power.htm



crazytown

(7,277 posts)
21. The wind is pretty reliable out in the North Sea.
Sun Feb 10, 2019, 03:44 PM
Feb 2019

One thing they don’t import is coal dust. NIMBY indeed. Let those coat fired power stations poison someone else. Like Slavs. We are Germans.

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