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Mon Feb 11, 2019, 09:30 PM

Details on the new shutdown agreement per Dems:

$1.375B for bollard fencing (no funding for a wall)
40,520 ICE beds (a decrease from the current 49,057 beds)


Trump is going to be mad.

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Reply Details on the new shutdown agreement per Dems: (Original post)
OliverQ Feb 11 OP
triron Feb 11 #1
herding cats Feb 11 #3
triron Feb 11 #4
herding cats Feb 11 #7
struggle4progress Feb 11 #13
herding cats Feb 11 #16
marylandblue Feb 11 #8
manor321 Feb 11 #15
LastLiberal in PalmSprings Feb 11 #11
sharedvalues Feb 11 #12
manor321 Feb 11 #2
bdamomma Feb 11 #5
underpants Feb 11 #6
MuseRider Feb 11 #9
OliverQ Feb 11 #23
herding cats Feb 11 #14
manor321 Feb 11 #18
Iliyah Feb 11 #10
Takket Feb 11 #17
herding cats Feb 11 #19
Takket Feb 11 #22
OliverQ Feb 11 #24
wildflower Feb 11 #20
maxrandb Feb 11 #21

Response to OliverQ (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 09:34 PM

1. Not sure what is meant by bollard fencing.

Trump will veto if can't be construed as for a wall.

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Response to triron (Reply #1)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 09:42 PM

3. It's 55 miles of this stuff...



Personally, it's a huge improvement over his wall crap and I think fair.

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Response to herding cats (Reply #3)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 09:45 PM

4. How is this different?

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Response to triron (Reply #4)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 09:52 PM

7. First off: it's only 55 miles.

Which is a massive concession and depending on where it's implemented possibly even useful. That remains to be seen, but I'm feeling optimistic.

Secondly: the migration of many species won't be impacted.
Which deeply matters to me.

Oh, added bonus points. Trump already said this wasn't acceptable before.

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Response to herding cats (Reply #7)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 09:57 PM

13. Only $25 million a mile! The GOP is so frugal!

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Response to struggle4progress (Reply #13)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 10:01 PM

16. Yep!

We need to use this to show how expensive it is to implement an entire wall on the border. It is not only stupid (which it deeply is, and racist AF!) but we also cannot afford to waste all those multi billions (trillion?) of dollars of money on something not useful, helpful or needed.

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Response to triron (Reply #4)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 09:52 PM

8. Billions of dollars.

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Response to triron (Reply #4)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 09:59 PM

15. Please learn what Trump was actually asking for

Having barriers is normal and has been done forever.

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Response to triron (Reply #1)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 09:54 PM

11. Definition of bollard

A bollard is a sturdy, short, vertical post. The term originally referred to a post on a ship or quay used principally for mooring boats, but is now also used to refer to posts installed to control road traffic and posts designed to prevent ram raiding and car ramming attacks. Google

Examples of bollards:







Yeah, Fat Donnie is really going to go for that.

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Response to triron (Reply #1)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 09:55 PM

12. Good. Let him veto. He'll get killed in approval rating.

And the Senate will override him.

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Response to OliverQ (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 09:41 PM

2. Trump will be PISSED! LOL

Is McConnell finally tired of Trump and sticking the knife into him?

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Response to OliverQ (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 09:48 PM

5. Too fucking bad

if he gets mad maybe he will blow a gasket.

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Response to OliverQ (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 09:49 PM

6. Don't like it. There are useful things to spend that kind of money on.

My 2 cents.

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Response to underpants (Reply #6)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 09:54 PM

9. Same here!

We do not need to show our racism any more than we do on a day to day basis just existing like we do. This is better I guess (not really) but still will pacify him, except for the money not being what he asked for. I was hoping for no wall at all. We should not have a wall, especially because they are our allies and the drug trade would be nothing if we did not use them. WE are the drug problem but you know all that. Just wanting to throw my 2 cents in.

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Response to MuseRider (Reply #9)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 10:57 PM

23. Not sure how this will pacify him.

It's only 55 miles of the over 2000 miles he wanted, and it's only fencing. No solid wall. It's the exact same amount Dems offered Trump in December before he threw a fit and shut down the government.

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Response to underpants (Reply #6)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 09:57 PM

14. Most definitely.

This is the only part of this deal I'm displeased with. But, it's not as bad as it could be and it's only 55 miles of fencing. Which, at this cost, could be something we can use to explain the impractical notion of an actual entire border wall.

It's not a horrible deal, even though it's not great.

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Response to underpants (Reply #6)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 10:02 PM

18. This is completely normal. We've been doing this normal level of spending forever.

Countries have borders. All countries have borders and protect their sovereignty.

No one ever complained when numerous Democratic presidents spent money on the exact same thing.

Let's not be silly about this.

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Response to OliverQ (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 09:54 PM

10. Nothing will change on the fence building except more fence building

that was already in the budget.

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Response to OliverQ (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 10:01 PM

17. i'd like to see the funding have conditions............

environmental impact studies, cost/benefit analysis, etc...... we could tie up the funding for two years of study, prove the fence is useless, and the next president could kill it.

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Response to Takket (Reply #17)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 10:10 PM

19. Environmental impact studies will be done.

That I can guarantee you. We will sue, and they'll have to fight us in court as always.

Since this is only 55 miles of fencing, and I'm assuming it will be broken up into various regions, I'm hopeful the impact will be minimized more. Still, it always does damage. I'm just hopeful for less.

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Response to herding cats (Reply #19)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 10:35 PM

22. the border is about 2000 miles long so...

build one mile of wall for every 36 miles of border LOL

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Response to herding cats (Reply #19)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 10:58 PM

24. Apparently it's only going in the Rio Grande Valley region.

It's not being done beyond that area.

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Response to OliverQ (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 10:24 PM

20. I just now heard a clip of him saying

"We're building the wall anyway."

Thank you to whoever gave me a fourth heart!

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Response to OliverQ (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 10:32 PM

21. Why don't the folks at his rally

Just walk to the wall, kill themselves, and then have Border Patrol just stack the bodies up like cord wood?

It would be a good start. Then we can have buses follow him around to each rally in Dumbfuckistan 'Murika and offer free rides to the border.

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