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Mon Feb 11, 2019, 11:54 PM

MSNBC: Border "deal" includes $1.375 B for a "border barrier"

Frank Thorp, NBC News, is on right now with Lawrence O'Donnell.

Bill needs to be written down. No idea if Trump will sign off on it. $1.375 B for a "border barrier," 55 miles of barrier, NOT a concrete wall, on the 2000 mile border.

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Reply MSNBC: Border "deal" includes $1.375 B for a "border barrier" (Original post)
Miles Archer Feb 2019 OP
InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2019 #1
theboss Feb 2019 #4
regnaD kciN Feb 2019 #7
onetexan Feb 2019 #35
AJT Feb 2019 #14
OliverQ Feb 2019 #16
Fullduplexxx Feb 2019 #2
InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2019 #3
Fullduplexxx Feb 2019 #8
InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2019 #17
Fullduplexxx Feb 2019 #22
InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2019 #33
leftynyc Feb 2019 #43
Solomon Feb 2019 #6
InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2019 #18
regnaD kciN Feb 2019 #13
Fullduplexxx Feb 2019 #23
leftynyc Feb 2019 #44
Fullduplexxx Feb 2019 #49
leftynyc Feb 2019 #52
Fullduplexxx Feb 2019 #51
leftynyc Feb 2019 #54
Progressive Jones Feb 2019 #29
Demsrule86 Feb 2019 #60
EleanorR Feb 2019 #5
regnaD kciN Feb 2019 #10
bullwinkle428 Feb 2019 #11
Johnny2X2X Feb 2019 #47
ooky Feb 2019 #9
jay1124 Feb 2019 #12
sprinkleeninow Feb 2019 #34
Joe941 Feb 2019 #15
InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2019 #19
stopbush Feb 2019 #20
Fullduplexxx Feb 2019 #24
highmindedhavi Feb 2019 #25
uponit7771 Feb 2019 #37
maxrandb Feb 2019 #46
briv1016 Feb 2019 #21
Pisces Feb 2019 #26
Andy823 Feb 2019 #27
SidDithers Feb 2019 #28
Thekaspervote Feb 2019 #30
ismnotwasm Feb 2019 #32
leftynyc Feb 2019 #36
Pisces Feb 2019 #48
obamanut2012 Feb 2019 #40
KelleyKramer Feb 2019 #50
Codeine Feb 2019 #53
Progressive Jones Feb 2019 #31
uponit7771 Feb 2019 #38
leftynyc Feb 2019 #45
DeminPennswoods Feb 2019 #39
Vinca Feb 2019 #41
mnmoderatedem Feb 2019 #42
LakeSuperiorView Feb 2019 #55
Autumn Feb 2019 #56
bearsfootball516 Feb 2019 #57
DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #58
Demsrule86 Feb 2019 #59
bluestarone Feb 2019 #61

Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 11:56 PM

1. WTF!!! Thought our party's position was not one damn penny for an immoral wall...

So now our position is that the wall won't be "concrete." I'm callin' bullshit on that one!!

No way Nancy & Chuck go back on their promise... we're winning the government shutdown argument for fuck's sake!!

No way they're gonna compromise on a non-concrete wall!!

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 12:04 AM

4. I don't think it's clear we have a position

 

Obviously some barricades have been in place for decades. I don’t think the formal dem position is “no barriers.” I’ve been to south Texas. There are barriers.

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 12:06 AM

7. New "fencing," not a wall...

We already have the most vulnerable sections of the border fenced, this just adds 55 miles.

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Response to regnaD kciN (Reply #7)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 03:54 AM

35. Its beaded curtains

Like nancy said


Im good with a 'smart wall', i.e. no physical wall.

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 12:11 AM

14. There was a barrier built during Obama's presidency.

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 12:15 AM

16. Calm down. They didn't give him any wall money.

This is to reinforce a small section of the already existing fencing. It's the same offer they presented last year before the shutdown.

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 12:00 AM

2. News tomorrow "dems cave, trump gets wall money"

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Response to Fullduplexxx (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 12:03 AM

3. No way our side agreed on ANY money for a wall, barrier or whatever the fuck people want to call it.

Nancy promised not one cent... she's too smart to cave on this.

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #3)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 12:06 AM

8. That's what you will read tomorrow "dems cave on wall"

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Response to Fullduplexxx (Reply #8)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 12:23 AM

17. So why do this?!

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #17)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 12:49 AM

22. Idk ... dems dont want govt workers out of work again?

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Response to Fullduplexxx (Reply #22)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 01:48 AM

33. They still get paid... very well I might add!! This has to be some kind of cruel joke!!

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Response to Fullduplexxx (Reply #8)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 08:49 AM

43. I'm seeing NONE of that

 

I'm seeing on both CNN and MSNBC that donnie gets bupkis for his wall and this is the same kind of barrier built while Pres Obama was in office. AND he's getting less money for even that than he was 2 months ago. Why are so many dems so afraid of winning?

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Response to Fullduplexxx (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 12:05 AM

6. Yep. That's how they

will spin it. Pisses me off!

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Response to Solomon (Reply #6)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 12:23 AM

18. If true, BEYOND pissed!!

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Response to Fullduplexxx (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 12:09 AM

13. Doubt it...

...since Trump earlier refused $1.6 billion, and declared he would settle for nothing less than $5 billion, under $1.4 billion for "barriers" and "fencing" are going to make it look like a failure to his devotees.

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Response to regnaD kciN (Reply #13)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 12:50 AM

23. They are already out there saying dems caved on wall money

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Response to Fullduplexxx (Reply #23)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 08:50 AM

44. Who is they?

 

Hannity called it garbage as did McCarthy. So who is whining about the Dems caving. I want names.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #44)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 10:09 AM

49. Right wingers on message boards like the hill etc... good to hear the dislike it though

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Response to Fullduplexxx (Reply #49)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 10:18 AM

52. Who gives a crap what those imbeciles

 

say? I thought you were talking about our side.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #44)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 10:16 AM

51. And now House GOP leader Kevin McCarthy: Pelosi and Democrats caved on Trump's border barrier demand

House GOP leader Kevin McCarthy: Pelosi and Democrats caved on Trump's border barrier demand

Source: CNBC

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Response to Fullduplexxx (Reply #51)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 10:19 AM

54. And once again

 

I say who gives a crap what those imbeciles say? They're the ones who have to put lipstick on the donnie pig. Donnie doesn't get his wall and is getting LESS money this time than 2 months ago. He loses and he loses big.

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Response to regnaD kciN (Reply #13)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 01:27 AM

29. His devotees need look no further than a mirror to see failure. nt

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Response to Fullduplexxx (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 11:43 AM

60. Nope this is a loss for Trump...don't demonize Democrats. Another shutdown would be terrible.

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 12:04 AM

5. Less than was offered in the December deal that trump rejected

1.6 billion for fencing was offered in the compromise in December, but trump had a hissy.

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Response to EleanorR (Reply #5)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 12:07 AM

10. Conservative pundits declared that, if Trump doesn't get "at least" $1.6b, "his presidency is over."

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Response to EleanorR (Reply #5)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 12:07 AM

11. This is straight out of the "George Costanza School of Negotiation" - bargaining to get

LESS than the originally agreed-upon amount!

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Response to bullwinkle428 (Reply #11)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 09:04 AM

47. Exactly what I said

Trump had a grand bargain for a wall on the table last year and said no because it wasn't racist enough. The the Dems and the Reps agreed to a deal in December with $1.675 Billion for this type of fencing, Ann Coulter and Sean Hannity vetoed it and Trump shut the government down for 35 days. Now the deal Dems and Reps agreed to has $1.375 Billion for fencing and in exchange for some other things to help immigrants that Nancy wanted.

Here's what happened. Dems and Reps agreed to $1.675 for barriers. Trump asked for $5.7 Billion for a wall. Dems said, "OK, the wall is off the table and instead of 1.675 were lowering that to 1.375 and you're going to reduce the beds for immigrants so they can be released sooner."

That is some cold blooded stuff right there. Their next offer is literally, "You'll get nothing and like it!"

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 12:07 AM

9. It keeps going down.



What a negotiator.

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 12:08 AM

12. deep breaths here!

border barrier could mean, a electronic detection system or even drones, or even more personnel in the border. and you also got to realize that trump has to sign the bill.

Basically it’s either take it, or cause another shutdown. my money is on trump saying no, and killing the gop 2020 chances.

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Response to jay1124 (Reply #12)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 01:54 AM

34. Exactly what I said tonite when we heard it on the news.

He's gotta sign off on it; I don't think he will.
Hence, another shut down.

Let it stick to him and his cohorts.

Buh-bye, reptilians 2020.

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 12:11 AM

15. No way Pelosi allows this. The news is fake.

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Response to Joe941 (Reply #15)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 12:24 AM

19. Yeah... sure hope you're right!!

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 12:26 AM

20. So, they REDUCED the amount for border barriers that was in the December bill

yet DUers are clutching their pearls that Ds caved on the wall funding.

This is why we lose.

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Response to stopbush (Reply #20)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 12:55 AM

24. This will be seen as caving and that is why dems lose because they fold

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Hopefully trump will blow the deal up and save us the embarrassment .


Eta.... House GOP leader Kevin McCarthy: Pelosi and Democrats caved on Trump's border barrier demand

Source: CNBC

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Response to Fullduplexxx (Reply #24)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 01:02 AM

25. Damn it

He got his SOTU and now border money

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Response to stopbush (Reply #20)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 05:36 AM

37. What kind of gas lighting shit is this?! No money for the wall is now "reduced amount" !?!? REALLY?!

WTF was all that other crap about then, just give him what he wanted up front

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Response to stopbush (Reply #20)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 08:57 AM

46. Only one or two are "clutching their pearls", and I'm not sure they aren't working for the Russians

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 12:27 AM

21. Let me guess, Schumer authorized this.

There's no way in hell it was Pelosi.

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 01:14 AM

26. A lot of shit stirrers on this thread, I smell trolls

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Response to Pisces (Reply #26)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 01:20 AM

27. Trolls or

Just the same old shit stirrers, who really knows?

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Response to Pisces (Reply #26)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 01:26 AM

28. Fucking nailed it...



Sid

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Response to Pisces (Reply #26)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 01:28 AM

30. Agree!!

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Response to Pisces (Reply #26)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 01:31 AM

32. Yeah.

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Response to Pisces (Reply #26)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 05:10 AM

36. Same here

 

They're not fooling anyone. Donnie gets far, far less than he wanted and there is ZERO for his concrete wall. Fences were being built during Pres Obamas term and nobody here whined. Donnie loses. period.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #36)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 10:09 AM

48. Exactly

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Response to Pisces (Reply #26)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 07:04 AM

40. Agreed

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Response to Pisces (Reply #26)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 10:11 AM

50. Yep, you got that right


I'm taking notes Lol!

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Response to Pisces (Reply #26)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 10:19 AM

53. A whiff a borscht in the morning air. nt

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 01:30 AM

31. Why do so many believe that there would be zero dollars appropriated?

As long as Trash Dump gets no more than what the Dems wanted to spend anyway, it's a win.
Like it, or not, there needs to be some sort of border security.
Cue the accusations of "trolling" ...

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Response to Progressive Jones (Reply #31)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 05:41 AM

38. Because we were told zero dollars for his wall or beaded curtain !? Or is a gas lighting op going to

... begin claiming that never happened or something else was meant by it?

Oh well, this all depends on how dems want to spin "nothing for the wall" cause we know MAGA Nuts are going to claim some kind of victory and then say dems caved anyway

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #38)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 08:52 AM

45. You were told zero dollars for A WALL

 

Democrats have always been fine with certain fencing proven by them being built during Pres Obama's term and nobody whining. Hannity already called it garbage and if he's against it, it can't be good for donnie. For Heaven's sake, stop claiming defeat when it's a clear win.

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 06:21 AM

39. IIRC, 1.3B was the original DHS ask

for border security and agreed to in the original DHS appropriations bill.

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 07:55 AM

41. I think this is a great compromise. In the end, Idiot Don gets millions of dollars less than

he would have gotten in the bill back in December that he refused to sign and, I would assume, Democrats got some concessions they didn't have before.

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 08:05 AM

42. maybe trump can do the Les Nessman thing

put tape along the border where his wall would have been.

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 10:20 AM

55. Trump wil play "Where's Wall Though?"

 

He doesn't give a rat's ass about the wall, he wants the controversy dominating the news cycle.

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 10:25 AM

56. Hannity already doesn't like this so...

Shutdowns on Trump again.

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 11:40 AM

57. I looked on a couple conservative forums and they're absolutely livid about this.

Basically saying if Trump signs to it, it'll be the end of his presidency.

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 11:40 AM

58. It's a win for us.

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 11:42 AM

59. It is for maintaining existing fencing...there is no wall money. The Democrats did a good job...this

is less than what Trump would have gotten before the shutdown.

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 11:49 AM

61. RUMP got NOTHING here!!!

COMPLETE victory for Nancy!!!!! This SAME package was on the table in the beginning and RUMP shut down the GOV. There is NO FUCKING WALL!!!

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