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Tue Feb 12, 2019, 07:26 AM

What was the real reason that Trump went to El Paso?

Was it just a campaign event? Or were there other under-lying reasons?

It is true that one of his strongest opponents, Beto O'Rourke, was leading a march just a mile away from the Trump hatefest. But, is that why Trump came to El Paso?

No doubt, he wanted his crowd to be larger than Beto's but that did not materialize.

Also, he wanted to preach about the virtue of "walls".

But, above all that, he wanted to send his base a message. The Mueller investigation is a big "hoax". Senator Richard Burr said they had found no "collusion", he told the crowd.

From a distance, it appeared that he was fearful of a shoe that was about to drop? He is anticipating some bad news from the Mueller investigation, or perhaps, the SDNY investigation led by Andrew Weissmann?

He is totally preoccupied with continuing his cover-up of his Russia connections. But, from this perspective, it looks like a big rock is about to be turned over? Who knows what will be under it?


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Reply What was the real reason that Trump went to El Paso? (Original post)
kentuck Feb 12 OP
SallyHemmings Feb 12 #1
duforsure Feb 12 #2
agingdem Feb 12 #3
NJCher Feb 12 #35
customerserviceguy Feb 12 #4
no_hypocrisy Feb 12 #5
LastLiberal in PalmSprings Feb 12 #34
babylonsister Feb 12 #6
panader0 Feb 12 #7
babylonsister Feb 12 #8
Historic NY Feb 12 #30
kentuck Feb 12 #32
jmowreader Feb 12 #46
dogwood000 Feb 12 #50
watoos Feb 12 #9
Roy Rolling Feb 12 #10
rgbecker Feb 12 #11
Tanuki Feb 12 #12
PatSeg Feb 12 #13
zaj Feb 12 #14
Mr. Ected Feb 12 #15
LakeSuperiorView Feb 12 #16
Botany Feb 12 #17
FakeNoose Feb 12 #18
Botany Feb 12 #20
Lonestarblue Feb 12 #19
RKP5637 Feb 12 #21
Honeycombe8 Feb 12 #22
Texin Feb 12 #24
Honeycombe8 Feb 12 #25
Texin Feb 12 #23
onetexan Feb 12 #29
Harker Feb 12 #26
dewsgirl Feb 12 #27
DFW Feb 12 #28
GregW Feb 12 #31
kentuck Feb 12 #33
GregW Feb 12 #42
Wounded Bear Feb 12 #36
Pobeka Feb 12 #37
PatrickforO Feb 12 #38
Scruffy1 Feb 12 #39
royable Feb 12 #40
bullwinkle428 Feb 12 #41
efhmc Feb 12 #43
kentuck Feb 12 #44
efhmc Feb 12 #45
True Blue American Feb 13 #51
scarytomcat Feb 12 #47
scarytomcat Feb 12 #48
Progressive Jones Feb 12 #49
littlemissmartypants Feb 13 #52
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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 07:29 AM

1. Jr is under the rock

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 07:41 AM

2. More projection of the opposite

Of the truth. He's also getting more desperate at controlling the news cycle now with the PR images and sound bites he wants, especially away from Putin , Cohen , and Mueller. He knows what's coming is why, so he has to tell his cult members more lies to reassure them only he can be believed. He's a professional con man, whose done this for a living in his business. He knows he's losing support too. Donors are running away from him.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 07:42 AM

3. The Orange Idiot had no idea what he was walking into...

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if that disgusting little weasel Stephen Miller "advised" his malignant boss El Paso was a trump-friendly border city he was sadly mistaken...most of those white ferociously vile trump sycophants were bussed in...during the day MAGAT kiosks were set up along I-10..curiosity got the better of me and I stopped to ask if the guys hawking trump's garbage were from El Paso...all three said no..they had come in the night before...wouldn't tell me from where..and this was just a paid job...

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Response to agingdem (Reply #3)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 09:59 AM

35. thanks for the grassroots report

This has been going on for a long time. Last night we watched "Get Me Roger Stone" on Netflix and were reminded of how the bus-ins stopped the vote counting and cheated Al Gore out of the presidency.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 07:42 AM

4. Judging on his strategy during the GOP primaries

Trump tries to "boost" whoever he thinks is the least popular of his opposition, he does this by insults. You saw how he got Little Marco to make reference to hand size, and stole attention away from Jebbie, Cruz, and the rest.

He probably thinks Beto is pretty weak not even being able to defeat someone that even Trump doesn't like. The wall thing is just a bonus.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 07:45 AM

5. My guess is that he wanted a "real" rally as the SOTU Address

didn't allow for only Trump-Lovers (MAGA!). The El Paso crowd was Trump's idea of validation and adoration.

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Response to no_hypocrisy (Reply #5)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 09:59 AM

34. "Trump's idea of validation and adoration"

I think you hit the nail on the head. Being unable to hold a rally for 35 days because of his self-created shutdown, he was like an addict cut off from his drug of choice. The fact that he had to claim his crowd was more than quadruple its actual size was like an addict taking a bigger dose just to get the same high.

I've been alive since Truman was president, and in all that time I've never seen such a worthless piece of shit hold the office. I'd almost like to live another 50 years to see what historians write about this period.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 08:03 AM

6. Per this, it was the unofficial launch

of his 2020 campaign.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/trump-pretended-congress-hadn-t-just-demolished-his-wall-n970446?cid=sm_npd_ms_fb_ma&fbclid=IwAR0gKgO2ixU7BtYT6vR4soI76dGcH2BGQoum_br-U12zw7bkHrC9FGxYToU

WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump had the perfect script written for the unofficial launch of his re-election campaign in El Paso, Texas.

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Response to babylonsister (Reply #6)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 08:16 AM

7. A launch based on lies.

Lies about El Paso crime, lies about crowd size, and especially, lies about
his Russian ties.

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Response to panader0 (Reply #7)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 08:22 AM

8. Does that surprise you?

That's just about all he does.

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Response to babylonsister (Reply #6)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 09:46 AM

30. Hell of a place to pick considering he lost the area.....bigley

Tump won Texas by nine points in the 2016 election, but he lost El Paso County by 43 points — 69 percent to 26 percent.

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Response to Historic NY (Reply #30)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 09:48 AM

32. Yes. He doesn't usually visit areas where he lost.

El Paso had a few people scratching their heads??

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Response to babylonsister (Reply #6)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 08:22 PM

46. What do you mean, "unofficial launch"?

He has been running for reelection since he was inaugurated. And that's no shit - he filed for reelection on Inauguration Day.

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Response to jmowreader (Reply #46)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 09:54 PM

50. I believed it but I didn't want to

I had to verify that he actually did file on inauguration day. What else would a Narcistic Narcissist do?

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 08:23 AM

9. No doubt he is scared shitless of Mueller,

but he is also scared shitless of the SDNY, the NY AG, the Maryland AG.

This was more about his campaign launch. Only Fox covered the rally so if he wanted to create a narrative about no collusion he could have done it more effectively.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 08:28 AM

10. Incite a Riot

All of these events are indoor riots. Trump is an instigator of violent supporters.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 08:32 AM

11. I think he was looking for a good spot along the fence

where it would be easy to jump it...just in case he needs to "run Venezuela" !

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 08:37 AM

12. 'Cause he's proud to be an asshole in El Paso....nt

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 08:40 AM

13. Yes

I think you are right and the rallies are like an anti anxiety drug for Trump. No matter how much he tries to deny what is happening, a part of him must know Mueller is coming for him. So no matter how many supporters he convinces, it won't change reality and it will only relieve his own uncertainty for a short period of time.

More than anyone, Trump knows what Mueller can find and his behavior indicates Mueller has gotten to that "big rock".

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 08:44 AM

14. Largest venue in a border city?

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 08:53 AM

15. He was trying to get in front of something big

But he ended up with his back against his mythical, non-existent wall.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 08:57 AM

16. Trump really likes crowds of people salivating at his crotch level...

 

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 09:02 AM

17. 2 reasons

1) He knows that the shit is hitting the fan about all of his and "the others"
crimes, grifting, cons, and election rigging and needs a diversion.

2) His ego needs crowds of dumb fucks cheering on his idiocy.

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Response to Botany (Reply #17)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 09:06 AM

18. Don't forget - 3) Free TV time wherever he can get it

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Response to FakeNoose (Reply #18)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 09:09 AM

20. And his idiots @ his bund rallies will believe anything

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142264152

Trump bizarrely says babies come out and 'talk' to their mothers before liberals 'execute' them

FakeNoose

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 09:08 AM

19. He just needed a lovefest from his supporters.

He is so pathetic that he needs that constant self-praise and applause from his supporters, who seem to have no ability to think for themselves. Trump wants to brand a border wall with his name. He can call it “The Great Wall of Trump” and have the followeing engraved on it (apologies to the real sentiment of the Emma Lazarus poem):

“Give me your rich, your white,
Your greedy autocrats yearning to breathe free,
The corrupt refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to perdition,
I lift my hand to close the golden door!”

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 09:17 AM

21. And tRump, President Liar, knows he's guilty and corrupt as hell. n/t

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 09:19 AM

22. I think it was really about the wall...and a kickoff to his 2020 campaign.

But I don't know. Does anyone know why he does anything? But I do think that Beto as a possible presidential contender concerns Trump. Not so with the others.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #22)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 09:33 AM

24. Shit. He's been "kicking off" his 2020 campaign since December 2017.

I believe his concern about Beto is the fact that he is the only major (potential) candidate who has personal, lifetime experience with a border state, a wall to monitor border crossings, and the knowledge of how such a wall affects the day-to-day lives of average citizens living in such a community. It only becomes more concerning for Shitler because Beto has charisma and an encouraging and inspirational message for prospective voters. Whether he runs for POTUS or is chosen to become the standard bearer's running mate, Beto O'Rourke is a formidable challenger to the KGOP's Henny Penny "The Sky is Falling" (i.e., the ferigners are coming to kill us all!), fearmongering broken record.

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Response to Texin (Reply #24)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 09:38 AM

25. I think the Beto charisma thing is probably concerning him.

He wants to knock out Beto early on, before he announces, IF he announces.

I don't think any of the other Dem candidates so far pose any serious threat, despite how good they may be in representing Democratic ideals and positions.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 09:27 AM

23. Actually, O'Rourke scheduled his rally for El Paso after Shitler said he was taking his circus there

The one that stood more chance to fall on his face was O'Rourke if the crowds didn't materialize for him. I'm glad and not surprised in the least that his event drew more attendees. We could only see a few of his remarks, but from what I witnessed last evening, I am even more impressed with him that I was when he was running. I was really disappointed he didn't win. We still have our yard sign from the midterms. I think I'm going to keep it around for another couple of years - and maybe after that!

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Response to Texin (Reply #23)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 09:45 AM

29. Here it is - the estimates for the crowdsize

https://www.newsweek.com/beto-vs-trump-who-had-bigger-crowd-el-paso-1327514

So 15 people eh? More like 15 thousand, and significantly higher. Beto apparently got under his orange skin. Not shocking that a guy whose now not in politics can draw a much larger crowdsize than this boastful man with small hands.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 09:38 AM

26. He wanted to sneak across the border

for the donkey show.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 09:42 AM

27. I know Burr is a rethug and and all, but I really wish he would put out

a statement clarifying what he meant.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 09:45 AM

28. Maybe becuse it's one of the few cities he can spell on his own without asking?

Just a theory, you understand........

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 09:47 AM

31. Feleena

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Response to GregW (Reply #31)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 09:49 AM

33. and she would twirl...

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Response to kentuck (Reply #33)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 04:11 PM

42. I'm glad somebody got it

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 10:01 AM

36. Because San Antonio was closed?

They already have an "effective" wall.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 10:02 AM

37. Allow me to rephrase the question: What was the real reason *Trump's advisers* sent him to El Paso?

Some big stuff is getting ready to come down, and the more Trump focuses on Mueller, the more incriminating he becomes with his remarks and actions.

Those advisers I mention also face criminal investigations and possible prison. The advisers sent him there to get his ego stroked, and distract him from Mueller for while so he'd shut up about Mueller, at least for a day.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 10:25 AM

38. Under that rock lies...

treason.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 01:11 PM

39. Because he is as dumb as a box of rocks.

And so are his supporters. I also think a lot of R's in Texas don't really want him showing up in the bigger cities. As the elction draws nearer you will see a lot of pols have other things to do and miss his campaign stops.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 03:49 PM

40. Were there any small planes associated with Russian oligarchs flying in to the nearby airports?

Perhaps sneaking in more collusion in plain sight.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 03:53 PM

41. MSNBC contributor : "Are we looking at a '2020 finals preview' tonight???"

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 05:22 PM

43. What is weird is that this Texas city is definitely not proTrump,

So where did he think he was going to get all of his Maggots? Actually most large Texas cities are not proagent orange but they have enough numbers to get him his beloved frenzied crowds.

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Response to efhmc (Reply #43)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 05:35 PM

44. I heard someone report that Trump's crowd came from other parts of TX?

Not directly from El Paso.

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Response to kentuck (Reply #44)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 05:47 PM

45. Probably but the Maggots still were out numbered.

If it weren't an 8+ hour drive for me in central Texas, I would have gone. El Paso is really, really far away from most of the populated areas of Texas, It is even in a different time zone. It is about 7+ hours to SA, about 9 hours to Dallas and 10.5 to Houston.

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Response to kentuck (Reply #44)

Wed Feb 13, 2019, 08:05 AM

51. From the many articles

I have read most of Trumps crowd were bussed in. Not from El Paso.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 09:06 PM

47. He thought he was going to the wall in San Antonio

and ended up in El Paso, it was a big mistake.

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Response to scarytomcat (Reply #47)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 09:11 PM

48. really he is just trying to keep wall ball up in the air

he needs daily attention. He thinks he is controlling the game and people are paying attention to his "brilliant" speeches. Fear Fear Fear Scare Scare Scare that is all he had got.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 09:13 PM

49. He went to El Paso for one of those MAGA body odor fests, and to rile up the racists. nt

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2019, 08:52 PM

52. Money. nt

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Thu Feb 14, 2019, 04:40 PM

53. He went to cause more division

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