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Tue Feb 12, 2019, 10:59 AM

"If being a twat was a TV show, Trump would be the boxed set." Great screed from FB

From a good friend on Facebook shared this outstanding diatribe:

https://www.facebook.com/terry.casey1/posts/10161693482585093


Someone on Quora asked "Why do some British people not like Donald Trump?" Nate White, an articulate and witty writer from England wrote this magnificent response.

A few things spring to mind.

Trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem.

For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace - all qualities, funnily enough, with which his predecessor Mr. Obama was generously blessed. (Emphasis mine - AHIA)

So for us, the stark contrast does rather throw Trump’s limitations into embarrassingly sharp relief.

Plus, we like a laugh. And while Trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing - not once, ever.

I don’t say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the British sensibility - for us, to lack humour is almost inhuman.

But with Trump, it’s a fact. He doesn’t even seem to understand what a joke is - his idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty.

Trump is a troll. And like all trolls, he is never funny and he never laughs; he only crows or jeers.

And scarily, he doesn’t just talk in crude, witless insults - he actually thinks in them. His mind is a simple bot-like algorithm of petty prejudices and knee-jerk nastiness.

There is never any under-layer of irony, complexity, nuance or depth. It’s all surface.

Some Americans might see this as refreshingly upfront.

Well, we don’t. We see it as having no inner world, no soul.

And in Britain we traditionally side with David, not Goliath. All our heroes are plucky underdogs: Robin Hood, Dick Whittington, Oliver Twist.

Trump is neither plucky, nor an underdog. He is the exact opposite of that.

He’s not even a spoiled rich-boy, or a greedy fat-cat.

He’s more a fat white slug. A Jabba the Hutt of privilege.

And worse, he is that most unforgivable of all things to the British: a bully.

That is, except when he is among bullies; then he suddenly transforms into a snivelling sidekick instead.

There are unspoken rules to this stuff - the Queensberry rules of basic decency - and he breaks them all. He punches downwards - which a gentleman should, would, could never do - and every blow he aims is below the belt. He particularly likes to kick the vulnerable or voiceless - and he kicks them when they are down.

So the fact that a significant minority - perhaps a third - of Americans look at what he does, listen to what he says, and then think 'Yeah, he seems like my kind of guy’ is a matter of some confusion and no little distress to British people, given that:

Americans are supposed to be nicer than us, and mostly are.
You don't need a particularly keen eye for detail to spot a few flaws in the man.
This last point is what especially confuses and dismays British people, and many other people too; his faults seem pretty bloody hard to miss.

After all, it’s impossible to read a single tweet, or hear him speak a sentence or two, without staring deep into the abyss. He turns being artless into an art form; he is a Picasso of pettiness; a Shakespeare of shit. His faults are fractal: even his flaws have flaws, and so on ad infinitum.

God knows there have always been stupid people in the world, and plenty of nasty people too. But rarely has stupidity been so nasty, or nastiness so stupid.

He makes Nixon look trustworthy and George W look smart.

In fact, if Frankenstein decided to make a monster assembled entirely from human flaws - he would make a Trump.

And a remorseful Doctor Frankenstein would clutch out big clumpfuls of hair and scream in anguish:

'My God… what… have… I… created?

If being a twat was a TV show, Trump would be the boxed set.

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Dennis Donovan Feb 12 #2
Paladin Feb 12 #32
ProudMNDemocrat Feb 12 #3
BobTheSubgenius Feb 12 #64
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whathehell Feb 12 #14
A HERETIC I AM Feb 12 #18
catbyte Feb 12 #21
3Hotdogs Feb 12 #22
A HERETIC I AM Feb 12 #23
whathehell Feb 12 #36
A HERETIC I AM Feb 12 #41
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whathehell Feb 12 #48
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whathehell Feb 12 #52
Haggis for Breakfast Feb 12 #73
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whathehell Feb 12 #50
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whathehell Feb 12 #59
Haggis for Breakfast Feb 12 #78
whathehell Feb 12 #85
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whathehell Feb 12 #86
whathehell Feb 13 #100
A HERETIC I AM Feb 13 #107
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smirkymonkey Feb 12 #83
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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 11:02 AM

1. Great find.

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 11:03 AM

2. "He makes Nixon look trustworthy and George W look smart."

Christ, isn't that the truth.

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Response to Dennis Donovan (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 02:12 PM

32. God help us, it's true.

Who would have ever believed it would get this bad, this fast?

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 11:09 AM

3. I LOVE how the British phrase their thoughts.....


Cannot wait to get back to the UK......

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Response to ProudMNDemocrat (Reply #3)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 05:32 PM

64. I do, as well!

One of my favourite examples of famed British dry wit and understatement came a a Rolls dealership that was a client of a friend of mine's employer. He happened to be there when this happened.

Apparently, this Rolls had a rattle in the door and there were two distinct types of Brits in evidence to deal with it. One very working class, who was doing the fix, and one very public-school, "I have an important job at Rolls Royce" type, complete with 3-piece suit and a brolly.

The work was difficult, because it had to be done "blind"...all by feel. The mechanic was getting increasingly frustrated and blurted out something along the line of "How is anyone supposed to work on this shite?"

Mr. Suit had been impassive the whole time, including ignoring the curses that were getting louder and more frequent, right up to that question, at which point he felt compelled to speak. He leaned over and said, very flatly and quietly "It was never meant to be worked on, old man."

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Response to ProudMNDemocrat (Reply #3)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 08:52 PM

71. The author is one Terry Casey

My new literary hero.

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 11:18 AM

4. Love it ...

best description of trump I ever read.

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 11:22 AM

5. Hear Hear

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 11:28 AM

6. "except when he's among bullies; then he suddenly transforms into a sneivling sidekick instead".

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Response to SammyWinstonJack (Reply #6)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 03:42 PM

47. "sniveling sidekick" jumped out at me, too

The images of Trump-puppet with MbS and Putin came to mind.

Wouldn't surprise me to see Dirty Donnie bowing and scraping before Kim Jong-un.

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 11:32 AM

7. K&R

An excellent assessment of our "dear leader" from our cousins across the pond!

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 11:47 AM

8. Isn't that exactly what his own mother said?

"In fact, if Frankenstein decided to make a monster assembled entirely from human flaws - he would make a Trump.

And a remorseful Doctor Frankenstein would clutch out big clumpfuls of hair and scream in anguish:

'My God… what… have… I… created?"

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 11:59 AM

9. Succicntly stated friend

He makes Nixon look trustworthy and George W look smart.

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 12:06 PM

10. This is magnificent

Thank you!

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 12:10 PM

11. What a superb commentary!

Just SUPERB!

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 12:12 PM

12. Wow, it's hard to pick just a couple lines for a meme.

The whole thing is dead-on accurate and well said.

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 12:16 PM

13. A Shakespeare of shit

Perfect.

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Response to PJMcK (Reply #13)

Wed Feb 13, 2019, 01:52 AM

104. That's the line that got me.

Shakespeare of Shit!

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 12:23 PM

14. If "twat" wasn't degrading slang for women's genitalia, I might agree

The brits are more casual with terms like that, but American women find it offensive. Please be mindful of cultural differences, and remove it.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #14)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 12:33 PM

18. Sorry you are offended...but no.

I'm not going to remove it, not any way, not any chance, no fucking way.

Nope. Not gonna happen.

Want to know why?

BECAUSE I PUT IT IN "QUOTES", THAT'S WHY.

It is a quote from a piece written by an Englishman.

I didn't write it. I (The DU'er known as A HERETIC I AM) AM NOT REFERRING TO ANYONE AS A "Twat".

Look....this sort of bullshit just has to stop, OK? I personally am not insulting you, nor am I intending to offend you directly. I put up a piece, with proper attribution, written by an author that is presumably NOT a DU'er, and as such, I don't have any desire to censor his writings to satisfy the delicate sensibilities of this website.

So....nope.


Sorry.

You can take this as a lesson in journalism. When the you see the quotes ( "" ) in the title line...if you don't like what it says, move along.

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Reply #18)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 12:44 PM

21. So the n-word would be acceptable just as long as it's in quotation marks. Got it.

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Response to catbyte (Reply #21)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 01:10 PM

23. If it is pertinent to the story....

or necessary to make the point, yes.

Catbyte, you have been here a bit longer than I have. We are both old hands on this site. It can not have escaped your attention that the general populace of this board seems to have devolved to a point where a joke, unless properly formatted and screened, is suspect.

Heaven forbid one say something the slightest bit off color, lest someone be offended.

So what? Be offended! Nothing happens! You aren't going to wake up tomorrow with leprosy, to paraphrase an Aussie comedian.

I submit to you that in the context of the OP I put up, the present DU'ers simply read it for what it is; a reporting of what someone else said that may hold relevant commentary of the day.

If we (or I...or Me) am restricted from being in the slightest bit crass or off-putting merely to placate the sensibilities of a few, then .....



Frankly, fuck it. It means it is probably long past the day I should have buggered off. It's no wonder that so many great and funny voices no longer chime in here.

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Reply #23)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 02:45 PM

36. Sure you would, lol.. Sorry but I doubt that very much,

if you did, you'd use double quote marks, one for attribution and another around the racist term itself to signify your separation from the sentiments embodied by the slur. It's the only thing that makes racist or misogynistic slurs "acceptable" in a mainstream or progresive blog, -- THAT is a journalistic "lesson".you clearly need.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #36)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 03:13 PM

41. ...

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Reply #41)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 04:59 PM

61. So original..

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Response to catbyte (Reply #21)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 02:31 PM

34. THANK you for asking that highly pertinent question..

I'm sure you've noticed that the OP hasn't answered your question and CANNOT for the obvious reason that he would have to say "no', then somehow justify the use of misogynist slurs while condemning racist ones.

Can you say "Double Standard", or perhaps "Hypocrite"?

"Misogyny is the last acceptable bigotry of the Left". Katha Pollitt, feminist author.


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Response to whathehell (Reply #34)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 03:18 PM

42. Excuse me, but I did answer the question.

Here;




To assist you in disembarking from your



Yeah...this is fun.

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Reply #42)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 03:55 PM

48. Yes, and I answered it.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #48)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 04:06 PM

49. How incredibly kind and fortuitous

If you hadn't otherwise indicated, I may have assumed your answer was merely epiphenomena.

I'm so glad you are proximate as to render the obviously needed assistance.

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Reply #49)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 04:14 PM

52. Lol..So glad you noticed.

I was terribly concerned.

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Response to catbyte (Reply #21)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 09:02 PM

73. Hell no.

The n-word is offensive everywhere to everybody.

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Reply #18)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 02:44 PM

35. +1

The post you’re replying to illustrates the typical American’s lack of awareness of any other culture outside their own.

The word has a slightly different connotation in the UK and is pronounced differently as well. It’s used commonly by both men and women in Britain.

But because Americans think their culture is the most important and only one in the world that truly matters the American definition is the true definition. It’s not a word I use in conversation in America but given this post is about British reaction to Drumpf it is perfectly appropriate.


http://www.bbc.com/culture/story/20151109-english-speakers-or-not-brits-and-americans-swear-in-different-languages

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Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #35)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 03:23 PM

43. I appreciate your comment, but please rest assured....

I know EXACTLY the connotation, the reference, the applicability and frankly, the tone with which that term is used in British vernacular.

Yassee...I've been over there and have British friends, dontchaknow!

Entirely too many people on this board have for years now, taken every single opportunity they can find to be offended.


And after 15 and a half years as a member of DU, I have finally arrived at the point where I just don't give a fuck anymore.

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Reply #43)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 03:29 PM

45. Oh I know you know

You weren’t the target of my post. People completely unaware or dismissive of other cultures were the target.

I enjoyed the OP, and totally got it because while I don’t have any British friends, I’ve been to the UK a half dozen times and consider myself a hopeless Anglophile.

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Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #45)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 04:07 PM

50. Lol.. I'm well aware of other cultures..

That doesn't mean I have to like, or feel comfortable with all.of their aspects.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #50)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 04:39 PM

56. All evidence to the contrary.

I’ll leave you to your Lee Greenwood songs and monster truck rallies.

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Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #56)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 04:53 PM

59. Lol.. You have a jerking knee, and "evidence" of nothing

beyond your own incredibly off the mark stereotypes.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #50)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 09:29 PM

78. Then, you're little more than a snob.

And HERETIC I AM doesn't need any lectures from self-righteous boors.

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Response to Haggis for Breakfast (Reply #78)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 10:13 PM

85. Congratulations!..Yours is the truly the most clueless response

I've yet to receive.

Please READ the posts -- The issue is not "snobbery", the issue is the use of sexist slurs on a progressive board.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #85)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 10:49 PM

88. Look up.

See the vapor trail ?

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Reply #43)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 09:38 PM

82. I am a woman and a feminist and did not take offense at the use of the world.

I understand the cultural context in which it was used and am pretty certain that it was in no way, shape or form intended to insult women.

Getting our feathers ruffled over things like this is why so many people who would ordinarily be allies can't stand "liberals". We need to stop going through everything that is said or written with a fine-toothed comb looking for reasons to find offense.

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Response to smirkymonkey (Reply #82)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 10:43 PM

86. Then I'd say you are an exception.. The terms "cunt" and "twat" are.

are gender slurs by definition. They wouldn't be used as insults if they weren't. The fact that some cultures may be more accepting of sexist slurs doesn't change that fact.




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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Reply #43)

Wed Feb 13, 2019, 12:31 AM

100. Lol..Your concern is duly noted.

but please tell me, are you sure you're on the right board? Your level of Male Privilege, suggests you'd be happier finding a Republic to free.

You are "tired" of people "being offended"? Aw, yeah..Whiney white guys have it so tough, don't they?

You just "don't give a fuck anymore"?..Lol.. No, most of the Privileged don't, not, at least, until their many "hides" add up to a tombstone.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #100)

Wed Feb 13, 2019, 11:14 AM

107. Get all that out of your system now, did ya?

Feel better? Now that it is a few hours on, do you feel like you gave me the good old what for? A proper online thumping, as it were?

I am so happy you made the insinuation that I, someone who has been a member here almost 5 years longer than you have, perhaps doesn't belong or should find another message board to post on. Why didn't you just come out and tell me you thought I was a closet Republican and I should go and post at Free Republic? Why be so coy?

It is clear you think I don't belong here, or rather, and perhaps more to your true point, I SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO POST ON DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND BECAUSE YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT I SAID

There. That's really what this is all about, right? You don't like it when your sensibilities are distressed and dammit all to hell, THAT PERSON RIGHT THERE SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO SAY THESE THINGS!!. And my sensibilities, or anyone's for that matter, should not be distressed. At all.

Right?

I really, REALLY love this bit from your post #50 ;

Lol.. I'm well aware of other cultures..

That doesn't mean I have to like, or feel comfortable with all.of their aspects.


Do you realize how privileged that makes YOU sound? I'm betting the answer is No, you don't. Of course, I have no idea if you have ever traveled overseas, or if you have ever even left the county you were born in, but the arrogance is astounding.

If I were to call you or any other woman a "Twat" then I would expect and frankly deserve to have that post or thread hidden. It is a pejorative in that context. But that's not what happened. I didn't do that. And in the context of the piece I put up, the author is calling the President of the United States, Donald Trump a Twat. Which he absolutely is.

Googling the word brings this up, from Wikipedia;

The word twat is widely used as a derogatory epithet, especially in British English, referring to a person considered obnoxious or stupid. It is also used informally as a verb in British English to mean "to hit or punch a person"


The secondary definition is "also used in British English as vulgar slang for the vulva or female genitals in general"

Which means that even though the word can be used in the context you find offensive, THAT'S NOT HOW IT WAS USED here. There is a reason the 'vulgar' definition is secondary; Because it's not the first!

One other thing; You said "You are "tired" of people "being offended"? Aw, yeah..Whiney white guys have it so tough, don't they?"

1) You put "tired" and "being offended" in quotes. Nowhere in ANY of my responses on this thread did I use those words in a way that your quote marks make sense.
2) You follow that up suggesting I am "tired of people being offended". That is absurd on it's face. Humans get offended all the time for all sorts of things. To quote you, "That doesn't mean I have to like, or feel comfortable with all.of their aspects." But on the other hand, so what?
3) You suggested I was "privileged" twice. As if it is an insult. Funny! Good one! As a truck driver, I rarely find myself referred to in that way. Thanks!
4) You think I am on my way to being permanently banned from DU? Really? Well, it's been 5,672 days now, and 18,750 posts. About 3 and 1/3 posts per day on average. I suppose I should start using more words you don't approve of, eh?
5) I only whine when I am tired. I wasn't tired during any of my previous posts. I am a white guy however, so you at least got one thing spot on correct in this whole thread.
6) No. I don't give a fuck anymore. I am not going to walk on eggshells, so to speak, on this board simply on the off chance that one or two or however many people might find one single fault with something I post. The vast majority of posts I put up are innocuous, by and large. It took someone else's writing to get you to be pissed off at me! That's pretty funny if you think about it.

I don't put up that many OP's. I'm not going to alter my posts just to satisfy you or anyone else who insists on finding offense where none is intended.

OK? Bless your little heart and have a nice day now, hear?

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Reply #18)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 09:01 PM

72. Here, here

Says the Half-Scottish, Half-Welsh me (Haggis for Breakfast).

We use words over here that they find just as offensive as that. For example, "fanny" doesn't mean your bum; "spunky" doesn't mean pluck, "slash" isn't a guitarist from Guns n Roses, and "snogging" well, forget that one, as there is no American equivalent.

Please, good people, a little common sense.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #14)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 01:14 PM

24. Alternate descriptive terms

How about "schmuck or putz?"

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Response to SMoss (Reply #24)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 01:31 PM

27. Yeah, why not use them?

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Response to whathehell (Reply #27)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 09:33 PM

79. Because they are offensive to some Jewish people.

For example, one of my Hebrew friends told me that "putz" actually refers to a limp male appendage.

You find British-isms offensive, but fail to have any sensitivity for what other cultures might find offensive.

You don't need a thesaurus, pal, you need a dictionary.

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Response to Haggis for Breakfast (Reply #79)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 09:40 PM

83. For the record, I don't find schmuck or putz offensive either and I know many

Jewish people myself who use those terms to describe people they don't like.

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Response to smirkymonkey (Reply #83)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 10:46 PM

87. Congratulations.

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Response to Haggis for Breakfast (Reply #87)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 10:50 PM

89. Talk about self-righteous boors.

Who made you the arbiter of what words are and aren't offensive to others? You can't tell someone "twat" should not be offensive to them and then turn around and say "putz" on the other hand is offensive.

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Response to smirkymonkey (Reply #89)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 10:58 PM

92. You are missing the point.

We all find something culturally-offensive.

Brits have their humor. Americans have theirs. My Jewish friends have theirs.

What is funny to one may not be funny to another.

It's that simple. People are too quick to become outraged over trivial matters.

There are REAL problems out there. That is what we should all concentrate our energies towards. Not a single word in a two hundred word post, written by a Brit, shared by a fellow DUer, that was meant in fun. About no less than trump.

If you really want to get your knickers in a twist, go ahead.

Have a nice day.

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Response to Haggis for Breakfast (Reply #92)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 11:22 PM

95. Yes, I know. I assumed your response was a way of telling me that I was

wrong NOT to be offended by the words putz or schmuck. I understand that the post written by a Brit was meant in fun and stated earlier that I was also not offended by the word twat given the cultural context, however I have heard the words putz and schmuck used in humorous context as well (by Jewish people) and have also not found them offensive.

I am part Italian and if I read a humorous piece that talked about "wops" I doubt very much I would find that offensive either.

My knickers weren't in a twist, I was just remarking on your inconsistency, but I think we are probably talking about the same thing. It's probably all a misunderstanding.

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Response to smirkymonkey (Reply #95)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 11:52 PM

97. Now, I find "wops" offensive.

Also "daygoes," and "ginees" too. I don't know if I'm spelling those correctly.

I find a lot of those words unnecessary and can't understand why people feel the need to strike out at people's cultural/ethnic backgrounds. What does any of that nastiness benefit anyone ? Especially seeing as how we can't control any of that.

I am so tired of this divide and conquer that trmp seems to have foisted upon us and infected (infested ?) the country.

I'm going to turn in. Sleep well, SmirkyOne.


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Response to Haggis for Breakfast (Reply #97)

Wed Feb 13, 2019, 12:23 AM

99. You too, Haggis!

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Response to Haggis for Breakfast (Reply #79)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 10:51 PM

90. So "some Jewish people" are more important than all women?

even though "some" of those Jewish people are themselves women?.....Riiiiiigghht.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #90)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 11:07 PM

93. Not ALL women are offended by it.

You're another one who is missing the point.

Everyone finds something culturally-offensive. Ripping children from their parents' arms and putting them in cages in concentration camps is something I find offensive.

Brits have their humor, Americans have theirs, and my Jewish friends have theirs. What is funny to one, may not be funny to another.

But I find it ludicrous that a single word in a 200 hundred word post, that was meant in fun, written by a Brit, submitted by a fellow DUer, is something that some have gone batshit over. Lighten up.

There are SERIOUS problems out there, but this post wasn't one of them. It was taking a poke at trump from a British point of view. TRUMP, not the virgin Mary. A man who is no stranger to offensive comments.

If you want to get your bloomers in a twist, go ahead. Obviously, it's a vicarious thrill for you.

Have a nice day.

Cheers.

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Response to Haggis for Breakfast (Reply #93)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 11:35 PM

96. Most American women ARE offended by it.

"Lighten up", huh?...That"s easily said when YOU aren't the target of the slur, isn't it?...You sound like Male Entitlrment Personified.

What's next? Telling African Americans to "lighten up" about the N-word?.. Advising gays to relax around homophobia? Get a clue.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #96)

Wed Feb 13, 2019, 12:00 AM

98. Did you take a poll ?

Listen, you know NOTHING about me, so your comments are out of line.

AFWIW, the n-word is offensive to everyone. Or it should be.

Homophobia is a man's disease. Women don't give a shit. And I have always chalked it up to some people being in conflict about what they find attractive. A lot of that comes from a a misplaced sense of theology.

I'm retired from the service. There are neither racists nor homophobes in a foxhole.

Goodnight. Sleep well.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #96)

Wed Feb 13, 2019, 12:40 AM

101. Navigating the hidden shoals and unexpected landmines

here at DU is incredibly tiring. Even vicariously, when all I'm doing is reading, the taking offense, sometimes nitpicking, and the all-too-frequent inability to take anything with a light touch or sense of humor is grating and wearing.

I've been coming here a long time (since W was still in office) off and on. Had a long hiatus as full-time work and grad school consumed my life. But after Trump was elected, I needed help processing and making sense of the world. I value what DU offers us, but the nose-dive in ease of conversation, the increase in friction, and how conversations too often get hijacked into this frustrating tangle of assumptions and offense is a notable and not positive change. It makes me sad.

I wish very much that those of us here could find a way to get beyond this frustrating state, and back into a more easy and comfortable discussion which flows. If only the adamant tone of voice in the ways some write softened to a tone that allowed for a degree of humility, indicating a touch of inquiry, a giving others the benefit of the doubt.

It's hard even to speak up, because it's very likely I'll be perceived as being preachy. But I'm way beyond ignoring problems at my age. That doesn't do anything positive. Not sure if speaking up will help either but it seems to me preferable to trying yet again to overlook what seems to me to be toxic. But we have so many good things going for us as a forum, and I hate to see it become a place that causes so much frustration that it pushes us away from one another.

Do you think it's all the pernicious influence of bots and trolls? I've noticed it seems to be pretty pervasive in our society these days. People in lots of spaces are quick to assume the worst, far from giving the benefit of the doubt or thinking that there may be extenuating circumstances or simple miscommunication.

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Response to SMoss (Reply #24)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 02:25 PM

33. Because the writer is a Brit, and those words ...

Sound like someone from NYC.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #14)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 01:58 PM

30. Twat is seen as a general insult rather than a pejorative in the UK

Having had a post of mine removed from this site when I called Trump a twat I can appreciate the difference and do not use it here. I think people in the US look at it like the C word? In England it is a generalised word for people who are stupid, obnoxious or just plain arseholes!

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Response to Soph0571 (Reply #30)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 02:05 PM

31. This isn't the UK..

that's my point, and since we Americans are so often lectured on the subject of "cultural sensitivity" I see no problem in expecting it of others.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #31)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 03:06 PM

40. 'Murica!11

Our culture is the only one that matters cuz we’re ‘Muricans! ‘Murican exceptionalism!1!



You’re a lot closer to coming off that way in your responses here than you probably realize.

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Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #40)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 03:25 PM

44. Thanks.

Thanks very much.

I think I'll just...



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Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #40)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 04:37 PM

55. Lol.. Knee jerk much?

Try again, honey, that's not at ALL what I was saying -- Even the OP didn't bother going down that road.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #31)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 04:09 PM

51. Well, two things

1. There are people that post here from the UK.
2. You should be able to appreciate that the person quoted in the OP is British. Process it that way. You're smart enough; I have faith in you.

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #51)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 04:28 PM

53. Lol..Nice try, but you need to re-read my posts

Your "two things".

1. I'm not only aware that brits post here, I identified the person quoted as British in my FIRST response to the OP. What you clearly fail to "appreciate" is that nether of those facts is germane to the discussion -- Try again.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #53)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 04:51 PM

58. It is germane to the discuss. Perhaps not the discussion you want to have, but...

Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it isn't relevant. It is language used in a culture that is not the same as here. As intelligent adults, we should be able to deal with that. YMMV

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #58)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 04:57 PM

60. No, you missed it

but since I don't teach remedial reading, I'll have to let you stay in the dark.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #60)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 05:13 PM

63. Oh, aren't you cute with your passive-aggressive response.

You just go ahead and keep thinking that you are just that much smarter than everyone else. I'm sure it will get you far.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #31)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 04:36 PM

54. This isn't the UK..

You are correct it is the world wide web....btw I was not disagreeing with you, I was providing some context from a brit on the world wide web

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Response to Soph0571 (Reply #54)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 04:49 PM

57. Correct..

and DU is not just the world wide web, it's a particular site with a primarily American membership.

Having said that, I do realize that I "missed" your overall point of agreement when first reading your post, so I apologize for the lack of acknowledgement.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #57)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 05:45 PM

65. No harm no foul

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Response to Soph0571 (Reply #65)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 07:08 PM

67. I agree..

So good on us.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #31)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 09:35 PM

80. BUT the author, Terry Casey, IS British.

Contrarians are such a tedious, loathsome bunch.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #14)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 03:38 PM

46. Trump doesn't have the warmth or the depth...

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Response to whathehell (Reply #14)

Wed Feb 13, 2019, 08:29 AM

106. I look at it as the British equivalent of Dick.

Not gender oppressive, but similarly offensive—to those who deserve to be called it!

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 12:24 PM

15. Well Said!

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 12:26 PM

16. "That is, except when he is among bullies; then he suddenly transforms into a snivelling sidekick

instead."

The whole piece is perfect! Nate White!

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 12:30 PM

17. Nobody deconstructs characters like British writers

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 12:34 PM

19. Spot-On and Priceless!!!

This, I'm going to share.

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 12:41 PM

20. Bookmarking!

How I love the Brits. They tell it like it is. And they always use a sense of humor to do so.

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 01:17 PM

25. Spot on!! Fabulous!

Gotta love the Brits!!

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 01:28 PM

26. Hard to beat the Brits when it comes to witty barbs...

Trump deserved every bit of it, too.

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Response to Wounded Bear (Reply #26)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 02:56 PM

38. Yeah, sexist slurs used as insults are just so "witty"

It would take a boy of about 12 to come up with it.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #38)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 09:14 PM

76. Geeze, get over yourself. nt

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Response to scarletwoman (Reply #76)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 09:38 PM

81. Amen, Sister Scarlet, Amen

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Response to scarletwoman (Reply #76)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 10:58 PM

91. Geez, you get over yourself..

afterl learning the deffinition of "wit".

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 01:37 PM

28. Bar none, this is the most perfect description of Trump I've ever read.

The most pointed part was the bully part, where he turns into a sniveling sidekick around a real bully, like Putin.

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 01:38 PM

29. This is terrific.

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 02:59 PM

39. Terrific post

To the people complaining (whining..lol) about the use of the T word in the post: This is a common word used in Britain by both men and women. It has a generally different connotation.

‘Murica and ‘Muricans don’t get to decide how words are used in other countries and what words are offensive in other countries. I know we think our culture is the most important and the only one that truly matters but I’m here to tell you that’s not really the case.

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 05:05 PM

62. Outstanding. And embarrassing, too, for sane Americans.

I cringe every time I see/hear the sack-of-shit that watches television in the White House. How did so many Americans get so blindly enraged that they would vote for and idolize such a freak? When did getting chummy with the world’s worst dictators become a thing to do?

Is it just because hate radio and Fox tells them to do so? Or is it just “Lord of the Flies” time in America?

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 06:12 PM

66. The British have always had a way with words. Ask Shakespeare.


And worse, he is that most unforgivable of all things to the British: a bully.

That is, except when he is among bullies; then he suddenly transforms into a snivelling sidekick instead.

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 07:26 PM

68. Jabba the Hut of Priviledge

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Response to SallyHemmings (Reply #68)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 07:46 PM

69. I just copied that to post!



I won't be able to think of him any other way!

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Response to AwakeAtLast (Reply #69)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 07:50 PM

70. I found it in the essay

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 09:06 PM

74. That was great!

K&R

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 09:07 PM

75. Formidable! Most excellent post!

One of the absolutely best descriptions of the orange asshole yet!

Thank you for sharing this!!!

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 09:17 PM

77. Perfect!

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 09:50 PM

84. Beyond Fabulous, multi-leveled

Last edited Wed Feb 13, 2019, 06:11 AM - Edit history (1)

.....exact description of that Thing.

Wish they hadn't used an insulting term for female anatomy.

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Response to zentrum (Reply #84)

Wed Feb 13, 2019, 02:31 AM

105. +1 n/t

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Original post)

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 11:12 PM

94. the moron is an elderly richy rich, but mean.

i hated that comic.

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2019, 12:56 AM

102. Bookmarked. A great find HIA. n/t

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Original post)

Wed Feb 13, 2019, 12:57 AM

103. Just Perfect

Perfection in his description. Love it. Bookmarked. Thanks for sharing.

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