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Trump official freaks out after Rep. Omar asks him if he'd back genocide in Venezuela like 'you did (Original Post) jodymarie aimee Feb 2019 OP
Abrams should be in jail, not in government Bradshaw3 Feb 2019 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author NCChomskyan Feb 2019 #6
What our country did in Central America in the 1980s was disgusting and criminal Bradshaw3 Feb 2019 #11
Trump official Elliott Abrams gratuitous Feb 2019 #2
*Of course not... and remember how much more outrage there was at the Marc Rich pardon? deurbano Feb 2019 #35
republicans super busy pissing all over Christ's Teachings Achilleaze Feb 2019 #3
Only Trump would sink low enough to hire that scum. (nt) Elwood P Dowd Feb 2019 #4
That's a dirty lie! gratuitous Feb 2019 #36
Direct link to the video on raw story Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2019 #5
He makes my skin crawl! Good for her for not letting up on him. lilactime Feb 2019 #7
Thank you! druidity33 Feb 2019 #37
Abrams is a war criminal. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #8
+1,000 malaise Feb 2019 #15
And clustered in the Trump Administration. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #17
I cannot believe that the Con is brazen enough to hire malaise Feb 2019 #20
Putting limits on Trump's ignorance? guillaumeb Feb 2019 #22
Elliott Abrams, of course. elleng Feb 2019 #9
And Abrams will pre-emptively dislike guillaumeb Feb 2019 #18
Good malaise Feb 2019 #10
Waited my whole adult life for that. rusty quoin Feb 2019 #12
I don't know. On replay, it looked like a dumb exchange. JustABozoOnThisBus Feb 2019 #13
He seemed to have no problem with it in Central America rpannier Feb 2019 #14
It was still a "when did you stop beating your wife?" sort of question. JustABozoOnThisBus Feb 2019 #16
I don't think she was looking for an answer. But the answer is yes, yeas he does. marble falls Feb 2019 #21
I love it when lying liars get lies handed back to them. Don't you find the "whiteness" ... marble falls Feb 2019 #23
No. What I find jarring is Maduro's refusal to allow aid to his people. JustABozoOnThisBus Feb 2019 #27
I find even more offense with US interference in Venezuela that at the least makes everything worse. marble falls Feb 2019 #28
Gotta say, I like Omar more every day. Once she gets some seasoning, she'll be a fine ... marble falls Feb 2019 #19
Of course he wont answer because it's not about democracy or freedom Farmer-Rick Feb 2019 #24
the zombies never go away onethatcares Feb 2019 #25
She's my rep, and I'm liking what I'm seeing so far. geardaddy Feb 2019 #26
Two of the more depressing moments (of many!) Golden Raisin Feb 2019 #29
She's right... and we're going to do it all over again in Venezuela PeeJ52 Feb 2019 #30
The new generation HopeAgain Feb 2019 #31
I am so glad that this nasty POS UpInArms Feb 2019 #32
He should stick to his day job of Guy Whitey Corngood Feb 2019 #33
WOW! BAM! that's just... druidity33 Feb 2019 #38
Growing up in the 80s I used to watch reruns of that old Guy Whitey Corngood Feb 2019 #39
Ilhan Omar, D, MN, questioning a bottom feeding scum bag in exactly the way congress should. mulsh Feb 2019 #34

Bradshaw3

(7,483 posts)
1. Abrams should be in jail, not in government
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 03:44 PM
Feb 2019

One of the prime architects of state atrocities in Central America.

Response to Bradshaw3 (Reply #1)

Bradshaw3

(7,483 posts)
11. What our country did in Central America in the 1980s was disgusting and criminal
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 04:11 PM
Feb 2019

Just a few years after the atrocities committed in Vietnam. Of course no leaders in this country will ever acknowledge or apologize for the actions commited in our name. Abrams is among the worst of them but now is in government again and will get to live out his life revered by some.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
2. Trump official Elliott Abrams
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 03:46 PM
Feb 2019

In case the name doesn't ring a bell (and, really, why should it?) Elliott Abrams was up to his beady little eyeballs in Iran/contra, even convicted in 1991 of withholding information from Congress, a plea deal misdemeanor that subsumed far more serious accusations. In the dead of night on Christmas Eve 1992, lame duck President George H.W. Bush pardoned Abrams and five others for their activities in Iran/contra.* Which freed up Abrams to get back into government during Bush the Stupider's administration, and claw his way higher during the Donald "only the best people" Trump administration.

Good on Rep. Omar for not forgetting Mr. Abrams' personal history.

*Surely you remember hearing about that during the necrogasm of coverage of Bush's death? Me neither.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
36. That's a dirty lie!
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 06:39 PM
Feb 2019

George W. Bush also hired Abrams. "Under George W. Bush, he served as Deputy National Security Advisor for Global Democracy Strategy, Special Assistant to the President, and Senior Director on the National Security Council for Near East and North African Affairs." (H/t Council on Hemispheric Affairs)

druidity33

(6,444 posts)
37. Thank you!
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 08:31 PM
Feb 2019

I absolutely refuse to whitelist RawStory or to contribute to their constant theft of other journalist's efforts...
I appreciate that they occasionally highlight stories that i haven't heard yet, but they always poach from some other source...


malaise

(268,557 posts)
20. I cannot believe that the Con is brazen enough to hire
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 05:50 PM
Feb 2019

this war criminal in the middle of the atrocities being perpetrated by his administration.

Where is the fucking UN Security Council?

elleng

(130,646 posts)
9. Elliott Abrams, of course.
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 04:08 PM
Feb 2019

'In particular, Omar questioned Abrams about whether he was still proud of dismissing accurate reports about the infamous El Mozote massacre that was carried out by American-trained troops in El Salvador in the 1980s.

“More than 800 civilians, including children as young as two years old, were brutally murdered,” Omar told him. “During that massacre, some of those troops bragged about raping a 12-year-old girl before they killed her. You later said that the U.S. policy in El Salvador was a ‘fabulous achievement.’ Do you still think so?”

A visibly upset Abrams told Omar that it was a “fabulous achievement” that democracy came to El Salvador, but Omar wouldn’t let him dodge the question and he eventually had to admit that he didn’t think a mass killing conducted by American-trained forces was something to be proud of.'

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
18. And Abrams will pre-emptively dislike
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 05:43 PM
Feb 2019

the killings that could well happen in Venezuela if the far right deposes the elected Government.

Interesting how often that happens.

malaise

(268,557 posts)
10. Good
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 04:09 PM
Feb 2019

Great question. The US has fucked up our people for long enough.
Now they're kidnapping our children and putting them in cages and have the nerve to talk about democracy.

Fuck that shit.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,314 posts)
13. I don't know. On replay, it looked like a dumb exchange.
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 04:31 PM
Feb 2019

Omar: Do you think genocide in Venezuela is a good thing?
Abrams: No.
Omar: I'll take that as a "Yes".

WTF?

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,314 posts)
16. It was still a "when did you stop beating your wife?" sort of question.
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 05:33 PM
Feb 2019

More silly than clever. I don't think it was a question, as she wasn't going to hear an answer.

I hope the committee investigations are handled more professionally.

marble falls

(56,943 posts)
23. I love it when lying liars get lies handed back to them. Don't you find the "whiteness" ...
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 05:56 PM
Feb 2019

of the anti-Maduro leaders and their supporters a little jarring in comparison to the supporters of Maduro?

marble falls

(56,943 posts)
19. Gotta say, I like Omar more every day. Once she gets some seasoning, she'll be a fine ...
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 05:50 PM
Feb 2019

Congressperson and then Senator..

Farmer-Rick

(10,125 posts)
24. Of course he wont answer because it's not about democracy or freedom
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 05:57 PM
Feb 2019

it's all about the money. Someone is making money off of the US attacking the Venezuelan government and it is not the people of Venezuela.

onethatcares

(16,160 posts)
25. the zombies never go away
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 06:00 PM
Feb 2019

abrams, bolton, cheney, rumsfeld, rice, and others who's names escape me at present. they hide in the shadows and when the moment is ripe they start making U.S. policy.over again and again.

geardaddy

(24,926 posts)
26. She's my rep, and I'm liking what I'm seeing so far.
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 06:02 PM
Feb 2019

Seems like she is continuing Ellison's hard line type of questioning.

Golden Raisin

(4,604 posts)
29. Two of the more depressing moments (of many!)
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 06:08 PM
Feb 2019

in the Trump era have been the resurrection and return to power of John Bolton and Elliott Abrams. Ineffably depressing.

 

PeeJ52

(1,588 posts)
30. She's right... and we're going to do it all over again in Venezuela
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 06:10 PM
Feb 2019

tRump's got the band back together. The media is falling in line and steno-graphing the government story. It's Iran/Contra and Iraq/WMD all over again.

HopeAgain

(4,407 posts)
31. The new generation
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 06:12 PM
Feb 2019

of Democrats are very keyed in on global justice and I think it bodes well for the future.

druidity33

(6,444 posts)
38. WOW! BAM! that's just...
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 08:36 PM
Feb 2019

twice as many thrills as i was expecting. Damn. That's fine work sir. How did you see the resemblance so quick? Comic book guy? Take this far, man. Go to tweetland with it and beyond...



Guy Whitey Corngood

(26,493 posts)
39. Growing up in the 80s I used to watch reruns of that old
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 08:42 PM
Feb 2019

Spider-Man 60s animated show. I never forgot this dude's face. Then of course devoured comics up until middle school. So one could say I'm well versed in "the classics"

I'm not on Twitter. But feel free to spread it as much as you want.

mulsh

(2,959 posts)
34. Ilhan Omar, D, MN, questioning a bottom feeding scum bag in exactly the way congress should.
Wed Feb 13, 2019, 06:31 PM
Feb 2019

I hope this is merely the start of a shining career for Rep Ilhan Omar, D, MN. since the subject received a presidential pardon he should be relegated to abject obscurity and the periphery of conservative holding cell "think tanks". I loathe him so much I can't use his name.

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