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getagrip_already

(14,250 posts)
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 04:44 PM Feb 2019

Pelosi just went there...

During a live presser, she was asked about trump declaring a national emergency. She said this president can declare this as an emergency, and a democratic president can declare gun violence as a national emergency.

BOOM.

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Pelosi just went there... (Original Post) getagrip_already Feb 2019 OP
She should say; "we will start Impeachment Hearings immdeiately" maxrandb Feb 2019 #1
I agree. volstork Feb 2019 #4
+1000 superpatriotman Feb 2019 #9
Maybe she will wait until Trump signs the bill first! imanamerican63 Feb 2019 #24
That is what Trump wants. world wide wally Feb 2019 #35
the House can't convict/remove (and this bunch won't) but shanny Feb 2019 #52
I don't think she should telegraph what Srkdqltr Feb 2019 #2
Yes. Fuzzpope Feb 2019 #14
Some in the GOP are not stupid RVN VET71 Feb 2019 #16
not so.. AZ8theist Feb 2019 #60
I stand corrected. RVN VET71 Feb 2019 #73
In this case, she should. Ms. Toad Feb 2019 #25
+1 uponit7771 Feb 2019 #27
She's not. Iggo Feb 2019 #30
Exactly, nt reACTIONary Feb 2019 #59
Single payer! Yay! TheCowsCameHome Feb 2019 #3
Climate Change! Healthcare! REAL emergencies. BigmanPigman Feb 2019 #5
add Voting Rights, Russian Interference with our democracy, tax fairness, and a 100 getagrip_already Feb 2019 #7
Yep, immigration is hardly in the top 20 issues BigmanPigman Feb 2019 #10
Those are two of my "Big Three." calimary Feb 2019 #20
Ditto Fritz Walter Feb 2019 #28
Medicare for all Traildogbob Feb 2019 #66
Indeed ck4829 Feb 2019 #75
I just want to take every heart posted here mainstreetonce Feb 2019 #6
gun violence is a real emergency, though NewJeffCT Feb 2019 #8
Our stolen elections are a national emergency! world wide wally Feb 2019 #36
Gun violence and climate change are real emergencies. The border wall is not. nt SunSeeker Feb 2019 #11
gun violence,healthcare,climate change rdking647 Feb 2019 #12
Impeach him now! CloudWatcher Feb 2019 #13
ImWithHer! oasis Feb 2019 #15
Fuck Yeah Blue Owl Feb 2019 #17
Health Care is a national emergency too! Sedona Feb 2019 #18
Thugs think they will cheat their way out of that little problem MoonRiver Feb 2019 #19
So a future president declares a national emergency over gun violence. ... spin Feb 2019 #21
no DetroitLegalBeagle Feb 2019 #39
Thanks. ... spin Feb 2019 #48
no reason to think it would involve that KayF Feb 2019 #47
Such measures sound more reasonable than gun confiscation. ... spin Feb 2019 #51
Hell yeah! rogue emissary Feb 2019 #22
It is time to go to war against this mother fucker... BlueJac Feb 2019 #23
GET IT GIRL !!! uponit7771 Feb 2019 #26
noooooo! unblock Feb 2019 #29
Couldn't agree with you more! That path is not just a slippery slope... WheelWalker Feb 2019 #38
I agree. LuvNewcastle Feb 2019 #62
I keep hearing that but... Takket Feb 2019 #31
I don't think it's that limited.... getagrip_already Feb 2019 #32
Ah. I guess that makes sense Takket Feb 2019 #33
Its limited and broad at the same time. DetroitLegalBeagle Feb 2019 #37
hmmm...... getagrip_already Feb 2019 #44
Build them, maybe DetroitLegalBeagle Feb 2019 #53
You can start a govt program dealing w/gun violence... Honeycombe8 Feb 2019 #42
Yes trumpkins your dictator is opening Pandoras box liberal N proud Feb 2019 #34
Good. Let's go there. We need a 2020 President who will do just that. And climate change, too.nt Honeycombe8 Feb 2019 #40
But biggest danger is,,, Cryptoad Feb 2019 #41
I don't think a President can cancel the Presidential election. Honeycombe8 Feb 2019 #43
He will be able to do whatever ,,,, the SCOTUS allows him to do,,,,, Cryptoad Feb 2019 #45
He can't. He won't. There would be, finally, a revolution. Honeycombe8 Feb 2019 #46
That would be my guess as well..... getagrip_already Feb 2019 #49
I updated my post to explain further. Honeycombe8 Feb 2019 #50
I'm thinking there was mention of it in the Patriot Act. Not sure nt Hotler Feb 2019 #56
I don't think so. The exec branch has no mechanism in order to fool with state's rights.... Honeycombe8 Feb 2019 #57
Definitely a slippery slope for sure. Initech Feb 2019 #55
The gun humpers would think a civil war is brewing if that happens. Initech Feb 2019 #54
That's exactly what would happen. LuvNewcastle Feb 2019 #63
Love this woman. She cannot be intimidated. Duppers Feb 2019 #58
I love Nancy. I just hope they chose the right path. C Moon Feb 2019 #61
that was a great point!! subana Feb 2019 #64
GOP fear Traildogbob Feb 2019 #69
Lying to claim a National Emergency duforsure Feb 2019 #65
I'm not sure they're equivalent. Guns and the wall. Calista241 Feb 2019 #67
I think you found the point. n/t kcr Feb 2019 #68
Health care, including women's health, child care, elder care, equal rights, climate change littlemissmartypants Feb 2019 #70
And the can of worms opens. Firestorm49 Feb 2019 #71
Love it! Take no prisoners, Madam Speaker. (nt) Paladin Feb 2019 #72
K&R ck4829 Feb 2019 #74
Couple of good things about Trump & the GOP: Aussie105 Feb 2019 #76

maxrandb

(15,192 posts)
1. She should say; "we will start Impeachment Hearings immdeiately"
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 04:47 PM
Feb 2019

Hell, the House has the power to do it. I'd start impeaching everyone. Every fucking judge he's appointed, starting with Kavanaugh and Gorsuch.

It may not go anywhere in the Senate, but fuck it...haul their asses in front of Congress anyway. Make their lives miserable. Make them produce copious amounts of documents.

Hey, if the Retrumplicans are going to burn down the Constitution for Donnie Shit for Brains, Dems might as well join the fucking party.

volstork

(5,394 posts)
4. I agree.
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 05:01 PM
Feb 2019

These roaches need to be dragged into the light and stomped. The more that is exposed during hearings, the better. The televised hearings are ultimately what brought nixon down, and we need the same thing to happen to donnie and his gang of miscreants.

imanamerican63

(13,669 posts)
24. Maybe she will wait until Trump signs the bill first!
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 05:52 PM
Feb 2019

This way Trump can't back out at the last second!

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
52. the House can't convict/remove (and this bunch won't) but
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 08:12 PM
Feb 2019

a Future Democratic President is a more "reasonable" fear for the pukes and so a bigger deterrent.

Srkdqltr

(6,129 posts)
2. I don't think she should telegraph what
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 04:52 PM
Feb 2019

They are going to do unless or until the are ready. Too much is talked about ahead of time. Gives them time to block.

RVN VET71

(2,686 posts)
16. Some in the GOP are not stupid
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 05:21 PM
Feb 2019

Amoral, yes. Cold blooded, yes. Greedy, yes. But not stupid. They know exactly what can of worms our "president" would be opening if he fabricates a national emergency. And they're probably doing their best to prevent him from doing so.

Personally, I hope they fail and he does. But I'm praying that 2020 gives us a Dem President AND Senate so we don't have to counter with "emergencies" of our own.

AZ8theist

(5,339 posts)
60. not so..
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 11:27 PM
Feb 2019

Traitor McTurtle just said he would support a National Emergency.

Anything to distract from treason with Russia.

Ms. Toad

(33,915 posts)
25. In this case, she should.
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 05:53 PM
Feb 2019

We have no idea who the next president will be - so it is telegraphing what some unnamed/unknown Democratic president will do.

But the thought of giving that much power to a single person should strike terror in Trump's heart - or, at least in the heart of the Republican senators who may be called on to override a presidential veto of a legislative declaration that there is no emergency.

No one. Regardless of party. Should have that much unchecked authority. But if Trump decides to grab it we need the support of Republicans who are scared of what some future Democratic president might do to make the power grab unsuccessful.

Iggo

(47,489 posts)
30. She's not.
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 06:17 PM
Feb 2019

She's just making him squirm, and scaring the hell out of the future Senate minority.

getagrip_already

(14,250 posts)
7. add Voting Rights, Russian Interference with our democracy, tax fairness, and a 100
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 05:05 PM
Feb 2019

other critical issues that aren't being addressed.

BigmanPigman

(51,432 posts)
10. Yep, immigration is hardly in the top 20 issues
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 05:07 PM
Feb 2019

that needs to be dealt with immediately. It was a BS campaign issue turned propaganda to capitalize on the RW racism and hatred.

calimary

(80,700 posts)
20. Those are two of my "Big Three."
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 05:31 PM
Feb 2019

The climate crisis, Medicare for All, AND more stringent gun controls. An anniversary day like this (the Parkland shooting exactly one year ago) would be a perfect time to do that third one.

Fritz Walter

(4,281 posts)
28. Ditto
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 06:12 PM
Feb 2019

The climate crisis is global. So, drastic situation calls for drastic measures. No argument (except from the fossil fuel lobby, who should go suck on an exhaust pipe). YES
Having recently transitioned from the for-profit health insurance three-card-monte system to Medicare, I wish that everyone had this kind of coverage. And to those who point to the many thousands of health insurance companies' employees who would be suddenly unemployed, I'd suggest they divert their hand-wringing and pearl-clutching to our fellow citizens who are bankrupted by unforeseen medical expenses. Those employees with marketable job skills will do just fine. Life and property insurance policies are not threatened. Yet. YES.
And regarding gun control, recent intel about how Russia has been funneling money through the NRA into the dirty-money coffers of election campaigns will eventually turn the tide against them. But how many more school shootings will it take to wake people the fuck up? FUCK YES: a national emergency is warranted here too.

Traildogbob

(8,584 posts)
66. Medicare for all
Fri Feb 15, 2019, 09:09 AM
Feb 2019

I do not understand why that means insurance companies will vanish. I am on Medicare but still have to have a secondary insurance. Medicare only convers major medical needs. You STILL need primary coverage and drug plans. Those lesser medical care needs will not bankrupt an insurance company either. Am I missing something. Anything the GOP Corp rats do not like, they start screaming extremes, like no cows and the end of air travel to protect our climate. Where do they get all those strings of pearls to clutch?

mainstreetonce

(4,178 posts)
6. I just want to take every heart posted here
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 05:03 PM
Feb 2019

And send them all to Nancy.
She is the fortress keeping us safe today.

God bless Speaker Pelosi.

 

rdking647

(5,113 posts)
12. gun violence,healthcare,climate change
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 05:18 PM
Feb 2019

a dem president can
ban the sale and possession of semi auto rifles
lower the medicare age to birth
ban the construction of new fossil fuel plants

as a start


CloudWatcher

(1,831 posts)
13. Impeach him now!
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 05:20 PM
Feb 2019

The man has committed dozens of impeachable offenses in plain sight. We do not have to wait for the Mueller report. The man is a Russian asset and every day he remains in office is an affront to our nation.

Do not wait for the GOP Senate to signal they will convict him. If they want to stand with this insane traitor that will be on their head.

He's a wannabe dictator. How long after declaring an emergency do you think it will be before he starts talking about declaring martial law?

spin

(17,493 posts)
21. So a future president declares a national emergency over gun violence. ...
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 05:33 PM
Feb 2019

What would that involve.

Would it allow the confiscation of all semiautomatic Assault Weapons or all civilian owned firearms?

DetroitLegalBeagle

(1,904 posts)
39. no
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 07:18 PM
Feb 2019

Seizure of privately held firearms during a state of emergency is specifically barred by 42 USC 5207. The National Emergencies Act does not override that statute.

spin

(17,493 posts)
48. Thanks. ...
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 07:46 PM
Feb 2019

I was concerned that if in the future a president declared gun violence an emergency and tried to confiscate firearms the result would ba dramatic increase in gun violence towards those trying to enforce the order. I also was worried the order could lead to several states seceding from the Union.

KayF

(1,345 posts)
47. no reason to think it would involve that
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 07:46 PM
Feb 2019

There are steps much less drastic than that which have a lot of public support but are blocked by the NRA.

spin

(17,493 posts)
51. Such measures sound more reasonable than gun confiscation. ...
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 07:51 PM
Feb 2019

I fear attempting to confiscate firearms with a presidential emergency order could create far more problems than it might solve.

BlueJac

(7,838 posts)
23. It is time to go to war against this mother fucker...
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 05:48 PM
Feb 2019

the country is on our side for sure now... Oh yeah, fuck that 35%. This is our country, put on your war face and stare these GOP traitors down!!

unblock

(51,974 posts)
29. noooooo!
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 06:13 PM
Feb 2019

We don't want to even appear to be allowing that it's ok for him to grab powers by pretending there's an emergency when there is none!

"Our side could do the same thing" is not a real deterrent. Inside the beltway, that logic works among congresspeople. But it doesn't work with people who cheat and steal elections.

they're at war with us and they already think America is completely lost if a democrat ever wins another election. Pelosi is threatening to do something narrow and specific when they already are imagining a complete disaster if we ever win.

We should denounce the power grab based on an obvious lie as authoritarian and unacceptable, not threaten to similarly misuse the office when and if we ever get our turn!

LuvNewcastle

(16,820 posts)
62. I agree.
Fri Feb 15, 2019, 03:50 AM
Feb 2019

This is escalating the situation. She should have made fun of the the whole thing and said that we'll see him in court. I don't like where this is going.

Takket

(21,425 posts)
31. I keep hearing that but...
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 06:20 PM
Feb 2019

Doesn’t the declaration only allow funds to be diverted to the problem? I don’t see how money can solve the gun violence problem.

getagrip_already

(14,250 posts)
32. I don't think it's that limited....
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 06:27 PM
Feb 2019

The emergencies powers act is actually very broad. the potus can actually appoint military officers without any input from congress or the military. General Ivanka could take command of forces. That's an odd example, but its real.

A potus can do a whole lot more than just move money around.

DetroitLegalBeagle

(1,904 posts)
37. Its limited and broad at the same time.
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 07:01 PM
Feb 2019

The National Emergencies Act specifies about 135 statutes that can be used by the President during a declared emergency. They are broad in the sense that they cover a wide range of areas. They are limited in that only those specified statutes can be used, and in some cases, still require further Congressional action to use. For example, as you said, Trump could appoint military officers, however they can be no higher then a Major General or Rear Admiral. He could also seize land and property that was specified under the Tennessee Valley Authority Act, but only with a Congressional Declaration of War or Emergency.

What he can actually do in relation to the border and the wall is rather limited to some very specific statutes.

Future Presidents could declare emergencies for gun violence or health care, but after a quick look of the cited statutes that are available for use, I do not see much, if any, that would be relevant to either case.

getagrip_already

(14,250 posts)
44. hmmm......
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 07:40 PM
Feb 2019

Interesting. Could he set up internment camps like they did in wwii or would that require congress to approve it?

DetroitLegalBeagle

(1,904 posts)
53. Build them, maybe
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 08:29 PM
Feb 2019

Populate them, no. National emergencies grant some extra power to the President, but it doesnt suspend the Constitution or civil liberties.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
42. You can start a govt program dealing w/gun violence...
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 07:36 PM
Feb 2019

I don't know what. Maybe ban mags with a lot of ammo in them, ban assault weapons?

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
41. But biggest danger is,,,
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 07:35 PM
Feb 2019

,he sees that he is going to lose in 2020 ,,,,how he can declare an National Emergency and cancel the National Elections for teh good of teh nation. ,,,,,, mighty fine hair we are splitting,,,,,, and walking on

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
43. I don't think a President can cancel the Presidential election.
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 07:37 PM
Feb 2019

I don't know that for a fact, but I doubt it.

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
45. He will be able to do whatever ,,,, the SCOTUS allows him to do,,,,,
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 07:41 PM
Feb 2019

GOP is on the edge of Abyss looking in with Trump tellingn them teh only way to survive this is to cancel the elections

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
46. He can't. He won't. There would be, finally, a revolution.
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 07:44 PM
Feb 2019

The American public won't stand for it. Really. That would push things over the edge.

But there is no emergency that would call for it. Elections are not in the jurisdiction of the Executive Branch. Elections are handled by different branches and departments entirely. Elections go on in war time, recessions, depressions. Further, elections (even the Presidential election) is actually handled by the STATES and local districts...not by the federal government.

So there is no basis whatsoever for any President to even think he can reach his hand into the state of Louisiana or Florida or Connecticut or California, and stop the elections run by those states, any more than he can stop the states from requiring its citizens to file state income tax returns or to stop repairing its roads.

getagrip_already

(14,250 posts)
49. That would be my guess as well.....
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 07:47 PM
Feb 2019

At least there is no mechanism in the constitution for it.

The constitution specifically calls out how and when elections will be held, but there is no mention of a legitimate way to postpone or cancel them.

That doesn't mean he couldn't mess with them. Martial law in specific urban areas could have a devastating impact on vote totals, and could tip the election.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
50. I updated my post to explain further.
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 07:50 PM
Feb 2019

That elections are handled by state and local govts. There is no mechanism for the executive branch to reach its hand into the powers of the states to conduct their elections or do anything else in accordance with their laws.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
57. I don't think so. The exec branch has no mechanism in order to fool with state's rights....
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 09:05 PM
Feb 2019

the states and local govt conduct elections.

But then we shouldn't be surprised by anything Trump has done.

The SCT is not likely to rule that the Presidential election can be canceled by the President. If there's something that Repubs cherish, it's state's rights.

Initech

(99,915 posts)
55. Definitely a slippery slope for sure.
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 08:51 PM
Feb 2019

And one I think we should not tread down. At least not yet.

Initech

(99,915 posts)
54. The gun humpers would think a civil war is brewing if that happens.
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 08:47 PM
Feb 2019

That's what all the violent rhetoric and complete hell they've put us through is leading up to. That would probably be what sets them off.

Duppers

(28,094 posts)
58. Love this woman. She cannot be intimidated.
Thu Feb 14, 2019, 09:08 PM
Feb 2019

She will not back down and doesn't give damn what they say and think.

LOVE HER.

C Moon

(12,188 posts)
61. I love Nancy. I just hope they chose the right path.
Fri Feb 15, 2019, 03:34 AM
Feb 2019

Gun violence is definitely a national emergency, but on the political level, I think the Dems need to take on the health care insurance industry. I wish she would have approached that as the National Emergency—but they are the pros, so I hope beyond hope, that it works.

subana

(586 posts)
64. that was a great point!!
Fri Feb 15, 2019, 04:57 AM
Feb 2019

if you can call anything a nat'l emergency & get away with it, that should really put the fear of god in all republican's hearts & minds!!

Traildogbob

(8,584 posts)
69. GOP fear
Fri Feb 15, 2019, 09:26 AM
Feb 2019

The most important fear they have is voting rights. A national emergency to our democracy is, gerrymandering, voter suppression and foreign influence. Take that on and GOP will never win another election, then we can tackle all the issues over 70% of the nation agree with. Take money from inflated pentagon budget for protecting our right to vote at every damn precinct in the nation.

duforsure

(11,882 posts)
65. Lying to claim a National Emergency
Fri Feb 15, 2019, 07:30 AM
Feb 2019

Is no different them lying claiming you won the 2016 Presidential election without Russia's Putin's help now. Allowing an illegitimate president to falsely declare an emergency will only give him the ability to further abuse and undermine the government , and use this if allowed , to continue to many other issues he then can falsely declare a national emergency to hurt this country for putin even more with. The Republicans in Congress will regret this greatly if they do nothing to stop him now. Are they're for putin or the American people and our Constitution, and our rule of law? Trump is illegitimate. He's terrorizing this country and weakening it intentionally. This needs to be stopped , and he needs to go, now.

Calista241

(5,584 posts)
67. I'm not sure they're equivalent. Guns and the wall.
Fri Feb 15, 2019, 09:17 AM
Feb 2019

Gun rights, for what it’s worth, are expressly protected by the second amendment, and their usage and ownership are governed by a myriad of federal and state laws and Supreme Court decisions.

An “emergency” doesn’t allow a president to just suspend any law he wants. I think most courts would have a very dim view of a politician suspending people’s rights without any kind of due process. What other rights could be suspended by an emergency?

If you took Pelosi’s expansive view of the Presidential Emergency power, then one could see Trump declaring an emergency and suspending broadcast rights for all news organizations except Fox News.

littlemissmartypants

(22,418 posts)
70. Health care, including women's health, child care, elder care, equal rights, climate change
Fri Feb 15, 2019, 10:38 AM
Feb 2019

Voting rights, food insecurity, living wage, violence against women, lgbtq, dreamers affordable housing, just to name a few. In addition to gun violence!

Aussie105

(5,214 posts)
76. Couple of good things about Trump & the GOP:
Sun Feb 17, 2019, 11:47 PM
Feb 2019

People can see clearly now:

1. That a political party without a social conscience or a moral compass can lead a country down the sewer, rather quickly.

2. That a whole bunch of non-voters need to wake up and realize apathy at voting time gets you going down the same sewer.

3. That there is a real difference between real national emergencies and fake ones.

Thanks Don, GOP! You are waking up the Silent Majority real good!

Pelosi is the Reality Check the country has to have. MANA! (Make America Normal Again!)

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