Understand that "centrists" have made worse the conditions in

[mmonk]

some of our lives. The passage, for example, of Gramm-Leech-Bliley and the signing of it into law has wrecked much of what I had and the way I make a living. When stuff like that happens to placate big finance, it's personal. Some of us will not like Rubinomics. When other measures they take like joining Republicans in extending the Bush tax cuts, invading Iraq, indefinite detention, cutting services, etc. it's adding on to the despair and it's frustrating. If you find we can't cheer lead on exactly everything, remember it's personal due to its effects on us whether it's a displaced school teacher, or someone like me that was caught in the epicenter of bad economic policy. Hope that clears a few things up. We will applaud things we agree with but through our experiences, may have different views on others and might be critical. Such is life. The best thing to consider is what can be learned through it all and what are the things we can agree on that might help make things tenable for all.

[getdown]

1. capitulators

those who go along with R policies for some elusive goal of maintaining ... something?

[mmonk]

3. Maintaining donations

or maybe committee chairs?

[getdown]

6. ye$

[leveymg]

2. Radical centrists are actually the most dangerous group - they destroy entire countries.

The Radical Right sometimes blow up isolated buildings (with or without people inside), and the Radical Left have had their occasional romance with revolutionary violence, but it's the Radical Center that destroys entire markets, loots the Treasury, and makes a living squeezing out the last dime from debtors and cleaning up after we've bombed some oil-clogged desert nation back into dust.

The Radical Center is the One Percent, or are paid handsomely working for its interests against the rest of America. If the military needs to start rounding up traitors and terrorists, GITMO the really destructive ones.

[MisterP]

4. don't forget the Cold War, from their support of "McCarthyism without McCarthy" (they were against

him because his unpopularity hurt the job of purging the left from civil society) to their support for everyone from Vietnam to the Contras

[mmonk]

5. I'll never forget many of the key characters of the Contra episode

resurfaced in government under Bush. It's what happens when you don't address abuses of power. It comes back again.