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Tue Feb 19, 2019, 11:06 AM

We Won't Get Fooled Again

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Meet the new Bern
Same as the old Bern


I am not now, nor have I ever been, a liberal Democrat New England Monthly, 1985

Democrats and Republicans are “tweedle-dee” and “tweedle-dum” New York Times, 1989

Why should we work within the Democratic Party if we don’t agree with anything the Democratic Party says?

My own feeling is that the Democratic Party is ideologically bankrupt.

https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2016/2/6/1480860/--My-own-feeling-is-that-the-Democratic-Party-is-ideologically-bankrupt.htm

Do you consider yourself a Democrat? July 12, 2016

Right now, I am a Democrat obviously and we’re going to fight as hard as we can to transform the Democratic Party. So that’s where I am right now.

Right now?
No. It’s fair to say that’s where I am and that’s where I’ll stay.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/07/28/bernie-sanders-party-affiliation-not-simple-question/87666494/

I am an independent and I have always run in Vermont as an independent October 23, 2017

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2017/10/23/bernie-sanders-i-am-an-independent/792186001/

My issue is not with the message but the messenger. In 2017, Sanders spoke for no one but himself. It’s a matter of trust.

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Reply We Won't Get Fooled Again (Original post)
crazytown Feb 2019 OP
redstatebluegirl Feb 2019 #1
bearsfootball516 Feb 2019 #3
LiberalLovinLug Feb 2019 #38
crazytown Feb 2019 #62
dalton99a Feb 2019 #2
tinrobot Feb 2019 #5
crazytown Feb 2019 #11
Maru Kitteh Feb 2019 #67
honest.abe Feb 2019 #4
sheshe2 Feb 2019 #6
akraven Feb 2019 #7
crazytown Feb 2019 #8
akraven Feb 2019 #9
crazytown Feb 2019 #10
RAAD2 Feb 2019 #18
crazytown Feb 2019 #28
MH1 Feb 2019 #34
maxrandb Feb 2019 #52
NoMoreRepugs Feb 2019 #12
disillusioned73 Feb 2019 #42
NoMoreRepugs Feb 2019 #65
disillusioned73 Feb 2019 #72
louis c Feb 2019 #13
lame54 Feb 2019 #14
dlk Feb 2019 #15
Cuthbert Allgood Feb 2019 #20
dlk Feb 2019 #22
Cuthbert Allgood Feb 2019 #25
honest.abe Feb 2019 #40
Cuthbert Allgood Feb 2019 #46
honest.abe Feb 2019 #47
Cuthbert Allgood Feb 2019 #48
honest.abe Feb 2019 #49
LanternWaste Feb 2019 #54
Cha Feb 2019 #68
tonedevil Feb 2019 #23
NotHardly Feb 2019 #16
SammyWinstonJack Feb 2019 #55
crazytown Feb 2019 #71
angrychair Feb 2019 #17
CrossingTheRubicon Feb 2019 #31
angrychair Feb 2019 #44
CrossingTheRubicon Feb 2019 #45
angrychair Feb 2019 #53
LiberalLovinLug Feb 2019 #41
George II Feb 2019 #19
spike jones Feb 2019 #32
DoctorJoJo Feb 2019 #21
Roy Rolling Feb 2019 #24
crazytown Feb 2019 #27
uponit7771 Feb 2019 #30
Cha Feb 2019 #69
cstanleytech Feb 2019 #26
moonseller66 Feb 2019 #29
crazytown Feb 2019 #35
lark Feb 2019 #33
crazytown Feb 2019 #37
lark Feb 2019 #39
crazytown Feb 2019 #43
JuJuYoshida Feb 2019 #36
trueblue2007 Feb 2019 #50
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Feb 2019 #51
Cha Feb 2019 #56
crazytown Feb 2019 #57
Cha Feb 2019 #63
Name removed Feb 2019 #58
R B Garr Feb 2019 #59
Name removed Feb 2019 #60
R B Garr Feb 2019 #61
SidDithers Feb 2019 #64
SunSeeker Feb 2019 #66
Tarheel_Dem Feb 2019 #70

Response to crazytown (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 11:08 AM

1. Lord I hope so.

He will get scrutiny this time he didn't get last time, that will terrify him.

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Response to redstatebluegirl (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 11:13 AM

3. He doesn't have nearly as much going for him now as he did in 2016

He doesn't have the advantage of being the new face that comes out of nowhere and surprises everyone. In 2016, he ran as being super progressive compared to Hillary, but now, a lot of the serious candidates have stances very similar to him, so his positions on issues won't make him stand out like last time. And back in 2016, he was the ONLY other option if you were a Democrat and didn't really like Hillary. Now, if you don't like Harris, you can vote Biden or Booker or Warren or Castro or Gillibrand, etc. There are so many other options than just Bernie.

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Response to bearsfootball516 (Reply #3)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 02:23 PM

38. Yup. These dumb hit pieces on Sanders aren't even necessary.

In fact, now we are going to find out just who was only hating on Sanders because of a party letter requirement, and who actually demeans him because they don't like progressive values, or are afraid of them, or think they are "undoable". Because now you've got a bunch of younger ones that have a D in front of their names so attacking their message won't be as easy, like you could the D-less Bernie. Policy is always more important than even what letter is in front of the name. Some the letter is more important, but I'll never understand that.

Its funny listening to some here that seem to be under the impression that its only a kind of cult of personality. Towards this old grumpy disheveled man who barks more than he speaks. NO...it has always been about his message. His principles. His shared vision for the country. Now that that is being shared by others coming up.....GREAT! Its probably time for Bernie to hang up his jacket anyways.

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Response to LiberalLovinLug (Reply #38)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 09:06 PM

62. Quoting Sanders is a hit piece?

2016 - I’m staying a Democrat - 2017 I’ve always been an Independent. The issue is one of trust, not what letter is after his name.

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Response to crazytown (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 11:11 AM

2. Youthful indiscretions

Hopefully he'll pivot and help Democrats

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Response to dalton99a (Reply #2)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 11:17 AM

5. So... teach an old dog new tricks?

Doubtful.

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Response to tinrobot (Reply #5)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 12:41 PM

11. You can try

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Response to dalton99a (Reply #2)

Wed Feb 20, 2019, 03:17 AM

67. Youthful indiscretion, you mean like the rape fantasy he wrote?

That was so very gross.












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Response to crazytown (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 11:15 AM

4. That's why he cant be trusted.

Thanks for posting this.

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Response to crazytown (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 11:31 AM

6. K&R

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Response to crazytown (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 11:53 AM

7. Best song ever and I have no clue how I'll vote yet.

Fighting in the street with our children at our feet...…………...

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Response to akraven (Reply #7)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 11:56 AM

8. And the world looks just the same

And history ain't changed
'Cause the banners
they are flown in the next war

Insanely great

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Response to crazytown (Reply #8)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 12:02 PM

9. One of my forever favorites - spouse and I ragged through 2 albums

and finally found a CD!

Years ago - this one still makes me cry:



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Response to akraven (Reply #9)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 12:14 PM

10. The memories live on

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Response to crazytown (Reply #8)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 01:34 PM

18. Meet The New Boss

 

Same as the old boss.

$$$$$$$$

You cant buy Bernie.

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Response to RAAD2 (Reply #18)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 01:59 PM

28. You can't trust him either. 2016, I'm staying a Democrat.

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Response to RAAD2 (Reply #18)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 02:11 PM

34. If he wasn't bought in 2016, he was an idiot, OR he didn't give a shit.

Doesn't matter which of the three, he won't get my vote again.

(I have no fear that he will get the Dem nomination so feel I can safely make that statement.)

I am referring to his too-late, too-tepid (by miles) "support" of Hillary as the nominee.

If he were a real leader we wouldn't have had so many of his "bros" (of both genders) refusing to vote for Hillary.

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Response to akraven (Reply #7)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 03:20 PM

52. Fitting

I'll move myself and my family aside
If we happen to be left half alive
I'll get all my papers and smile at the sky
For I know that the hypnotized never lie
Do ya?

There's nothing in the street
Looks any different to me
And the slogans are replaced, by-the-bye
And the parting on the left
Is now the parting on the right
And the beards have all grown longer overnight

[Chorus]
I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again
Don't get fooled again

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Response to crazytown (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 01:10 PM

12. I for one don't think Bernie is going to have the same momo as last time.

The others in the field are newer and shinier. Just my opinion.

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Response to NoMoreRepugs (Reply #12)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 02:39 PM

42. Pretty sure you meant mojo..

 

Yeah, I think he's ok...

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Response to disillusioned73 (Reply #42)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 11:37 PM

65. Momo short for momentum...

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Response to NoMoreRepugs (Reply #65)

Wed Feb 20, 2019, 09:56 AM

72. Ahhhh..

 

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Response to crazytown (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 01:15 PM

13. The Democratic Party is for Democrats

 

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Response to crazytown (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 01:18 PM

14. Meet the new boss. Nowhere near as repulsive as the old boss.

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Response to crazytown (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 01:18 PM

15. Third Party Candidates Gave Us Trump the Last Time-The Very Future of Our Country is at Stake

Third party candidates can't win sufficient electoral votes to win an election. They have, however, given us Republican presidents who have caused great harm. Speaking of steep learning curves...

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Response to dlk (Reply #15)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 01:40 PM

20. False

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #20)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 01:47 PM

22. Third Party Candidates Peeled Off Enough Votes to Give Trump the Electoral College

None of them had enough votes to win. Which part of that is false?

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Response to dlk (Reply #22)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 01:50 PM

25. I assume you are talking about Stein.

Do you have numbers that show those voters would have voted Clinton?

I can speak to WI since it's my state, Clinton not showing up to campaign here was a much bigger factor than any third party candidate.

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #25)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 02:29 PM

40. Its not just the actual votes Stein received, but also those voters she turned off..

with her bogus attacks on Clinton. I remember during the Dem convention Stein was outside putting on a big show protesting and being interviewed by the media. That surely sucked away more than enough votes to give the election to Trump.

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Response to honest.abe (Reply #40)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 03:09 PM

46. "Surely"

In the world of politics and votes, we usually talk about things that are verifiable rather than opinion. I'm sure you think that, but it doesn't make it reality. And I really, really do not like Stein.

The far bigger impact, on WI at least, was that Clinton never came here.

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #46)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 03:10 PM

47. You just gave your opinion. I have a different opinion.

Something wrong with that?

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Response to honest.abe (Reply #47)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 03:12 PM

48. No. Doesn't mean it's right. That's all I'm saying.

Unless you have some data to back it up, it's all just opinion.

Though I will say that at the time people were telling Clinton she needed to go to WI or else she would lose it. So there is that in favor of my opinion.

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #48)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 03:14 PM

49. Its an opinion...just like yours saying it was Hillary's fault.

That's what a discussion board is for. Right??

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #48)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 05:27 PM

54. A logical fallacy rarely supports a premise...

"Though I will say that at the time people were telling Clinton she needed to go to WI or else she would lose it."

Post hoc ergo prompter hoc.

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #25)

Wed Feb 20, 2019, 03:26 AM

68. Maybe if Jill Stein hadn't LIED her Fucking HEAD

OFF about Hillary.. they would have voted for Hillary.

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #20)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 01:48 PM

23. But so well loved. /nt

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Response to crazytown (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 01:26 PM

16. Bernie Sanders, the convenient Democrate ... when he runs for President that is...

spoiled sport candidate. again

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Response to NotHardly (Reply #16)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 06:01 PM

55. What's a Democrate?

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Response to SammyWinstonJack (Reply #55)

Wed Feb 20, 2019, 05:08 AM

71. This

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Response to crazytown (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 01:32 PM

17. To be clear I am NOT a Bernie supporter

But in fairness to Senator Sanders, trying to paint him as being against Democrats by cherry-picking things he has said in the past is as much a false narrative as anything republicans say about Democrats.

If he was against Democrats why has he caucused with them for almost 30 years?

He has voted more with Democrats and Democratic Party planks than many actual Democrats.

He has done more to move forward serious debate on income inequality and minimum wage than most have in years.

I DO NOT support Sanders for president but I do support him as a senator of Vermont as long as he wants the job and his constituents keep voting for him and as a critical friend in our Senate Democratic caucus.

We all should.

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Response to angrychair (Reply #17)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 02:07 PM

31. What was Sander's option other than caucusing with Democrats?

 

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Response to CrossingTheRubicon (Reply #31)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 02:47 PM

44. Sorry, don't understand the question

Are you asking me something?

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Response to angrychair (Reply #44)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 02:53 PM

45. You asked, "If he was against Democrats why has he caucused with them for almost 30 years?"

 

My question is what was his alternative?

Was he going to be a party of one?

What sort of committee assignments could he have expected then?

Did BS caucus with Democrats because he is "for our party," or for his own purposes?

I understand you are not a BS supporter. I'm trying to explore your question.

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Response to CrossingTheRubicon (Reply #45)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 04:21 PM

53. Got you

I would say his ideals are inherently little different than that Democratic Party planks.

His voting record shows him voting more with Democrats than most Democrats.

I would say it makes perfect sense to caucus with Democrats as they are of like mind.

He is a lot more likely to move forward aspects of his agenda (and he has, to his credit) when working with Democrats.

Nothing changes unless the majority sees the value in that change. Sanders can help move the agenda but he is not the answer. It’s about more than one person. It’s takes a unified movement like Harris and Warren and even AOC.

No one person has all the answers but hopefully working together we will get a little closer to real implementation of action on climate change, healthcare and education.

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Response to angrychair (Reply #17)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 02:36 PM

41. Thank you for a sane post in a sea of hate

I also think he should not run again. But I'll never understand how people can just brush off decades of good work, alongside his longtime colleagues in the Democratic party, for decades. Like co-sponsoring the Medicare-for-All bill with Kamala Harris as an example.

But, hey, let's take the time, when we could be focusing on fighting Trump with Sanders and Democrats, to make a list of every past uncomfortable statement he's said in reference to the Democratic party. Some I'm sure were said in anger as well in moments of frustration with foot dragging on issues. Most was simple honest criticism. But lordy help us, we're too fragile to take criticism by anyone. We're perfect.

HE'S WORKING FOR THE GOOD GUYS FOLKS!!!

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Response to crazytown (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 01:39 PM

19. I absolutely LOVE this song (long version):

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Response to George II (Reply #19)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 02:08 PM

32. Great song, but better with these lyrics change

Then I'll get on my feet and say
We won't get fooled again
Won't get fooled again
No, no!

Meet the new boss
We are the new boss.

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Response to crazytown (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 01:46 PM

21. Maybe He Will Select Susan Sarandon As His Running Mate, Too!

 

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Response to crazytown (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 01:48 PM

24. If you truly oppose Sanders...

Stop giving him free publicity.

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Response to Roy Rolling (Reply #24)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 01:57 PM

27. It's an informative post.

Quotes by Senator Sanders and nothing else. Says he’s staying a Democrat in 2016, renegs in 2017. I don’t trust him.

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Response to crazytown (Reply #27)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 02:04 PM

30. +1

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Response to Roy Rolling (Reply #24)

Wed Feb 20, 2019, 03:28 AM

69. It's reality.. nothing wrong with that.

Important to remember history so it's Not repeated.

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Response to crazytown (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 01:55 PM

26. Well to blunt this is the DU and we are supposed to support Democrats which Bernie himself declined

to join.
Thats not to say he does not have good ideas at times however the facts are the facts no matter how anyone might wish different and in this case the fact is Bernie is an independent and not a Democrat.

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Response to crazytown (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 02:03 PM

29. lyric nitpicking?

There's a difference when you hear the correct word in the song. Nowhere does Roger Daltry say the word "won't."

He uses the word don't instead and it's misheard, misunderstood or wishfully changed nearly all the time.

The lyrics in question:

Just like yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again
Don't get fooled again, no no

He's praying we DON'T get fooled again, not saying we Won't. We are basically an apathetic society but one that hopefully is learning. We've been fooled too many times and time and again we keep getting fooled such that it's become accepted that we will get fooled again.

Nit picking? Maybe. But there's a whole different meaning intermixing the two words while ignoring he plea.

Just a thought.

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Response to moonseller66 (Reply #29)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 02:15 PM

35. Absolutely correct.

The song’s title is ‘Won’t get fooled again’ but the lyrics are more pessimistic - and some of the best lyrics ever written:

And the world looks just the same
And history ain't changed
'Cause the banners,
they are flown in the next war

The same sides, the same banners : history repeating.

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Response to crazytown (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 02:08 PM

33. Warren's to the left of him, Harris to the right, here he is stuck in the middle again.

With apologies to whoever wrote "Stuck in the Middle".

With all the competition this time, think he'll struggle to be even get in the top 4, much less the top person. I know I'm totally done with him.

Of course, if he's the general candidate (he won't be) I will vote for him.

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Response to lark (Reply #33)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 02:21 PM

37. Warren's address to the Nation Council of American Indians

impressed the hell out of me. Elizabeth is a warrior - here she showed heart.

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Response to crazytown (Reply #37)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 02:26 PM

39. I so agree.

I really like her a lot too and am glad she's joined the race. We need her strong voice.

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Response to lark (Reply #39)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 02:41 PM

43. This time round I think we need both a Warrior and a Healer.

I don’t mean heal the divisions - no quarter given to MAGA at all, I mean sensitivity to the wounds, the pain so many have suffered through this monstrous presidency. That’s what I saw here. No ‘I feel your pain’ or soothing words, but an open heart.

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Response to crazytown (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 02:17 PM

36. sorry Sanders, Kamala already has my vote

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Response to crazytown (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 03:14 PM

50. bernie is NOT A DEMOCRAT!!! if he changes just to run .... that is just opportunistic.

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Response to crazytown (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 03:16 PM

51. +1000

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Response to crazytown (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 06:05 PM

56. I was NEVER fooled!

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Response to Cha (Reply #56)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 08:52 PM

57. Really?

Kolohe

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Response to crazytown (Reply #57)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 10:08 PM

63. Really!

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Response to Name removed (Reply #58)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 08:56 PM

59. Where did you return from? nt

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Response to Name removed (Reply #60)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 09:00 PM

61. Your post was a smear about this website...

Remember? (Republican Underground—your words)

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Response to crazytown (Original post)

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 10:10 PM

64. DU Rec...nt

Sid

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Response to crazytown (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2019, 03:09 AM

66. K & R

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Response to crazytown (Original post)

Wed Feb 20, 2019, 03:42 AM

70. K&R

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