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Looks like Manafort has been checkmated: (Original Post) Kingofalldems Feb 2019 OP
Team Trump should be renamed Team Chump..... ProudMNDemocrat Feb 2019 #1
Yet - in the Whitehouse he sits lame54 Feb 2019 #3
by virtue of an act of war by the russians. niyad Feb 2019 #18
Yep. Exactly. calimary Feb 2019 #42
Heartwarming eleny Feb 2019 #2
Hopefully these charges don't have time limitations on when they can be filed in NY. What ... SWBTATTReg Feb 2019 #4
If rump has the ability to pardon him 5 years from now, we are all screwed anyway. hueymahl Feb 2019 #7
Yikes I slipped on that ... in no way do I ever want to consider a rump president five yrs from... SWBTATTReg Feb 2019 #10
Wow customerserviceguy Feb 2019 #28
Manafort won't live that long in jail (n/t) PJMcK Feb 2019 #9
Yeah, he did look pretty rough last time I saw him...I guess prison life isn't so charming after ... SWBTATTReg Feb 2019 #11
I do hope N.Y. State does bring charges GWC58 Feb 2019 #44
With Manafort in prison for those five years? Hmm LiberalFighter Feb 2019 #32
Will they give him his passport back shanti Feb 2019 #5
How quickly could his assets be frozen in NY? Duppers Feb 2019 #6
Does he have assets in NY anymore? OliverQ Feb 2019 #13
And I imagine they would also have any accounts Duppers Feb 2019 #21
I'm sure customerserviceguy Feb 2019 #29
I thought he had already forfeited most of his US assets to Mueller? csziggy Feb 2019 #33
Excellent! Duppers Feb 2019 #37
We're getting hammered with so many crimes by the Trump Syndicate csziggy Feb 2019 #39
He's no longer of use to the Russians. n/t Whiskeytide Feb 2019 #8
Neither are the spies customerserviceguy Feb 2019 #30
Maybe. But he's not one of them. He was ... Whiskeytide Feb 2019 #34
Then why haven't they done so customerserviceguy Feb 2019 #36
Perhaps. But my take on the whole thing is a little different. I think ... Whiskeytide Feb 2019 #41
Putin doesn't want customerserviceguy Feb 2019 #43
Not happy that Cy Vance is handling this OliverQ Feb 2019 #12
same here NewJeffCT Feb 2019 #15
Share your sentiment. New Yorkers should let jrthin Feb 2019 #16
It really bothers me Timmygoat Feb 2019 #14
3d Chess? Rural_Progressive Feb 2019 #17
+1000s DinahMoeHum Feb 2019 #19
Yes, and he's just the tip of the ice berg. GoCubsGo Feb 2019 #20
Some of these cases will go on for years into the future FakeNoose Feb 2019 #22
Florida comes to mind, though that has been a red toady state for a while... Wounded Bear Feb 2019 #24
Yeah, the "toady" thing is why I didn't bring up Florida. GoCubsGo Feb 2019 #25
Trump doesn't 'play chess' 3d or otherwise... Wounded Bear Feb 2019 #23
These guys don't play 3D chess... RoccoRyg Feb 2019 #26
ditto yortsed snacilbuper Feb 2019 #27
They need to open the gates of hell for manafort DirtEdonE Feb 2019 #31
Federal Prison or Jail in NY State...could be quite a difference in life style... The empressof all Feb 2019 #35
Not so fast. Aren't we overlooking that SCOTUS is about to hear Gamble v The United States, ancianita Feb 2019 #38
Keep it handy, cause this sack of human rotten waste is gonna pull it... Hulk Feb 2019 #40
Manafort's choice should be radical noodle Feb 2019 #45

ProudMNDemocrat

(16,728 posts)
1. Team Trump should be renamed Team Chump.....
Fri Feb 22, 2019, 11:55 AM
Feb 2019

Because they are being bested every step of the way no matter how they try to bullshit their way out of this mess.

Paul Manafort is PROOF that there was collusion and CONSPIRACY to commit election fraud between the Trump Campaign and Russia to swing the election in Trump's favor.

SWBTATTReg

(22,067 posts)
4. Hopefully these charges don't have time limitations on when they can be filed in NY. What ...
Fri Feb 22, 2019, 12:15 PM
Feb 2019

happens if rump pardons M in lets say, 5 years from now?

hueymahl

(2,449 posts)
7. If rump has the ability to pardon him 5 years from now, we are all screwed anyway.
Fri Feb 22, 2019, 12:27 PM
Feb 2019

Stuff of nightmares.

SWBTATTReg

(22,067 posts)
10. Yikes I slipped on that ... in no way do I ever want to consider a rump president five yrs from...
Fri Feb 22, 2019, 12:34 PM
Feb 2019

now. Never!! I guess I better rephrase the ? as hopefully there isn't a short term limitation on when NY (or other states) can file charges, e.g., must file in 1 or 2 years, etc.

Thanks for catching this...Yikes!

SWBTATTReg

(22,067 posts)
11. Yeah, he did look pretty rough last time I saw him...I guess prison life isn't so charming after ...
Fri Feb 22, 2019, 12:35 PM
Feb 2019

all, eh?

GWC58

(2,678 posts)
44. I do hope N.Y. State does bring charges
Sat Feb 23, 2019, 09:45 AM
Feb 2019

against Manafort, pardon, or no pardon. Let “Paulie” do his time at a N.Y. correctional institution. 😡

shanti

(21,675 posts)
5. Will they give him his passport back
Fri Feb 22, 2019, 12:19 PM
Feb 2019

if he's pardoned? He'll probably be on the next private jet to Russia, if so. Good luck getting him back after that!

Duppers

(28,117 posts)
6. How quickly could his assets be frozen in NY?
Fri Feb 22, 2019, 12:26 PM
Feb 2019

Russia wouldn't give a hoot in hell about him if he tried to come there without cash.

 

OliverQ

(3,363 posts)
13. Does he have assets in NY anymore?
Fri Feb 22, 2019, 12:38 PM
Feb 2019

The FBI owns his apartment in Trump tower and they seized his Brooklyn apartment.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
29. I'm sure
Fri Feb 22, 2019, 03:13 PM
Feb 2019

that what he has in NY is a small fraction of what he has squirreled away in places where we'll never find it.

csziggy

(34,131 posts)
33. I thought he had already forfeited most of his US assets to Mueller?
Fri Feb 22, 2019, 03:52 PM
Feb 2019
Manafort forfeits $22 million in New York real estate in plea deal
Manfort forfeited five New York homes worth an estimated $22 million as part of his plea deal with Mueller, including a Trump Tower condo.

Sep. 15, 2018, 8:04 AM EDT
By Kenzi Abou-Sabe, Adiel Kaplan and Tom Winter

Former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort pleaded guilty to two counts Friday morning, agreeing to cooperate with special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation. As part of his plea deal, Manafort will forfeit a host of assets, including New York properties worth an estimated $21.7 million.

The longtime Republican political operative will hand over five properties, the funds contained in three bank accounts and a life insurance policy to the government. These forfeitures include two properties purchased with offshore funds for the express purpose of evading taxes, according to prosecutors.

The forfeited properties listed in Manafort's plea agreement are his Hamptons home, three apartments in Manhattan, and a Brooklyn townhouse. In a superseding indictment filed Friday morning, Manafort’s Arlington, Virginia property was one of four properties listed for forfeiture, but Manafort kept that home by pledging a second SoHo apartment in lieu of it, and also exchanged his Trump Tower apartment for one of four bank accounts the government planned to seize.

Two of the New York City properties are in the swanky SoHo neighborhood, with market values estimated at $4.1 million and $3.1 million by property listings website Zillow.com. Manafort’s Brooklyn home, in coveted Carroll Gardens, is worth $4.1 million and his Fifth Avenue Trump Tower apartment is valued at $3 million according to Zillow estimates. Zillow lists his Hamptons home — where he had a landscaper build a flower bed in the shape of an "M" — as worth $7.3 million.
More: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-courts/manafort-forfeits-22-million-new-york-real-estate-plea-deal-n909596

Duppers

(28,117 posts)
37. Excellent!
Fri Feb 22, 2019, 04:26 PM
Feb 2019

Thank you! Then there is no escape for him. Here's to justice!



Btw, I remember reading that now but am...gees...getting OLD and forgetful.

csziggy

(34,131 posts)
39. We're getting hammered with so many crimes by the Trump Syndicate
Fri Feb 22, 2019, 04:45 PM
Feb 2019

It's hard to keep up, much less keep track!

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
30. Neither are the spies
Fri Feb 22, 2019, 03:14 PM
Feb 2019

the Russians get back in swaps, but they still like to have someone to hold up as being emblematic of enduring suffering for the cause of the state.

Whiskeytide

(4,459 posts)
34. Maybe. But he's not one of them. He was ...
Fri Feb 22, 2019, 04:00 PM
Feb 2019

... just an asset - a stooge. Unlikely in my opinion that they would use much political capitol to harbor him. It would make more sense for them to just eliminate him.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
36. Then why haven't they done so
Fri Feb 22, 2019, 04:06 PM
Feb 2019

before he might have a chance to say something incriminating?

I think the Russians believe Manafort is conning Mueller, and they want to reward that, if only to send a message to future stooges that they will not be double-crossed. I'm sure Manafort can find a cozy dacha in the eastern part of Ukraine, where his connections there will protect him. The Russians would expend minimal political capital to allow such a thing.

Whiskeytide

(4,459 posts)
41. Perhaps. But my take on the whole thing is a little different. I think ...
Fri Feb 22, 2019, 06:34 PM
Feb 2019

... Putin is as pleased as he can be with the cluster in our government. Indictments, scandal, impeachment, etc... the more chaos the better. Even his denials that he’s behind it all are “wink, wink”.

He’s proud of what he’s done, and will be revered in Russian history books for doing it.

So he doesn’t care about Manafort. He can’t “like” Manafort - or even trump. They are asses and fools, and I think Putin’s tolerance for such people is very low.

And, for him the game is not to repeat this in the future with more assets. It is to maximize the payoff for this operation.

Just my take. Again, I could be wrong.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
43. Putin doesn't want
Fri Feb 22, 2019, 11:23 PM
Feb 2019

to get a reputation for screwing over his stooges, if he does, it will be very difficult to recruit more of them. I think he will simply not stand in the way of Manafort taking off for Ukraine the second he gets his passport back.

Timmygoat

(779 posts)
14. It really bothers me
Fri Feb 22, 2019, 12:38 PM
Feb 2019

Every time someone mentions that Trump may pardon someone, how can a crook and co-conspiritor
pardon anyone?

Rural_Progressive

(1,105 posts)
17. 3d Chess?
Fri Feb 22, 2019, 01:04 PM
Feb 2019

These clowns can't win at tic tac toe. That's what happens when a group has been allowed to run roughshod over the country for over 40 years without significant challenge. You get sloppy and complacent and now the whole thing is going to implode on them.

Glad I've been allowed to live long enough to see it. This gang of retread thugs has been a blight on our country for way too long.

GoCubsGo

(32,075 posts)
20. Yes, and he's just the tip of the ice berg.
Fri Feb 22, 2019, 01:44 PM
Feb 2019

I have no doubt, whatsoever, that Mueller handed off a whole bunch of evidence on the Trumps and the rest of their associates to the State of New York, as well. It wouldn't surprise me if the states of New Jersey and Illinois were given piles of it, as well. There are likely state cases against all of them, and probably in more than one state.

FakeNoose

(32,587 posts)
22. Some of these cases will go on for years into the future
Fri Feb 22, 2019, 02:23 PM
Feb 2019

Robert Mueller is already 74, and he's earned his retirement 10 times over. The guy is a hero (no doubt) but how long can we expect him to continue? It only makes sense that other prosecutors get ready to take over, with Mr. Mueller's blessing.

Wounded Bear

(58,601 posts)
24. Florida comes to mind, though that has been a red toady state for a while...
Fri Feb 22, 2019, 02:32 PM
Feb 2019

the Epstein case breaking lately looks likely to implicate the Trump crime family through their dirty connections in South Florida.

I suspect that the demise of their new cheap motel chain idea has as much to do with the thought that a nation-wide chain of businesses would open them up to as many as 50 investigatory orgainizations digging into their finances. I almost wish they'd try it.

GoCubsGo

(32,075 posts)
25. Yeah, the "toady" thing is why I didn't bring up Florida.
Fri Feb 22, 2019, 02:46 PM
Feb 2019

They're as corrupt as Trump administration.

Wounded Bear

(58,601 posts)
23. Trump doesn't 'play chess' 3d or otherwise...
Fri Feb 22, 2019, 02:29 PM
Feb 2019

he basically just flips the board over if things don't go well for him.

Having him at the top of our justice system was the worst thing the American people could have done. I always suspected that Trump thought of a seat in the Oval Office as a get out of jail free card. With any luck, he'll be disavowed of that feeling.

 

DirtEdonE

(1,220 posts)
31. They need to open the gates of hell for manafort
Fri Feb 22, 2019, 03:25 PM
Feb 2019

Give him a long peek. Help him reconsider his options.

The empressof all

(29,098 posts)
35. Federal Prison or Jail in NY State...could be quite a difference in life style...
Fri Feb 22, 2019, 04:03 PM
Feb 2019

I'm not sure where they send the high profile white collar criminals in NY state but I can't imagine it would provide a more comfortable abode than a Federal "Country Club" prison. Manafort will need to think long and hard and be careful about that wished for pardon. It probably will come back and bite him in his ass.

ancianita

(35,933 posts)
38. Not so fast. Aren't we overlooking that SCOTUS is about to hear Gamble v The United States,
Fri Feb 22, 2019, 04:40 PM
Feb 2019

which challenges the dual-sovereignty settled law?

The day after Justice Kennedy's retirement, SCOTUS decided to hear the case, and Orrin Hatch submitted a 44-page amicus brief on it.

If the dual-sovereignty doctrine were tossed by SCOTUS, as Orrin Hatch wants, then Trump’s pardon could theoretically protect Manafort from state action.

Again, “If Hatch gets his way ... a federal pardon would essentially block a subsequent state-level prosecution.”

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/09/trump-pardon-orrin-hatch-supreme-court/571285/

 

Hulk

(6,699 posts)
40. Keep it handy, cause this sack of human rotten waste is gonna pull it...
Fri Feb 22, 2019, 06:26 PM
Feb 2019

You can bet your last dollar on it. This mf'r hasn't begun to pull his shit out of the bag yet. We don't have him trapped in a corner....yet.

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