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Fri Feb 22, 2019, 06:01 PM

Why Isn't Mark Harris Behind Bars for His NC Election Fraud Scheme?

Neither Harris nor the GOP should get a pass for their blatant election fraud scheme, and they certainly shouldnít get a second chance and a do-over election. Instead, they should be made to forfeit the election and the congressional seat for their cheating scheme and Dan Mc Cready should immediately be declared the winner. Itís stunning to see the GOP get away with this, especially since theyíre always outraged and campaigning against election fraud.

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Reply Why Isn't Mark Harris Behind Bars for His NC Election Fraud Scheme? (Original post)
dlk Feb 2019 OP
alwaysinasnit Feb 2019 #1
Obvious85 Feb 2019 #45
alwaysinasnit Feb 2019 #46
FakeNoose Feb 2019 #2
okaawhatever Feb 2019 #40
LisaM Feb 2019 #3
jmowreader Feb 2019 #43
salin Feb 2019 #47
The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2019 #4
bullimiami Feb 2019 #5
mahina Feb 2019 #49
bullimiami Feb 2019 #50
brooklynite Feb 2019 #6
CurtEastPoint Feb 2019 #7
dameatball Feb 2019 #8
stuffmatters Feb 2019 #24
malaise Feb 2019 #9
getagrip_already Feb 2019 #10
tinrobot Feb 2019 #11
bluestarone Feb 2019 #12
dlk Feb 2019 #13
Honeycombe8 Feb 2019 #14
NurseJackie Feb 2019 #15
JunkYardDogg Feb 2019 #16
Fritz Walter Feb 2019 #17
R Merm Feb 2019 #33
Ford_Prefect Feb 2019 #39
OMGWTF Feb 2019 #18
diva77 Feb 2019 #19
dhol82 Feb 2019 #20
dugog55 Feb 2019 #21
Botany Feb 2019 #22
peggysue2 Feb 2019 #23
malaise Feb 2019 #26
peggysue2 Feb 2019 #29
okaawhatever Feb 2019 #35
malaise Feb 2019 #41
Baltimike Feb 2019 #25
guillaumeb Feb 2019 #27
shanny Feb 2019 #34
guillaumeb Feb 2019 #36
shanny Feb 2019 #37
guillaumeb Feb 2019 #38
Eliot Rosewater Feb 2019 #28
drray23 Feb 2019 #30
GoCubsGo Feb 2019 #31
shanny Feb 2019 #32
onecaliberal Feb 2019 #42
debsy Feb 2019 #44
Amaryllis Feb 2019 #48
Firestorm49 Feb 2019 #51

Response to dlk (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2019, 06:02 PM

1. +1000

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Response to alwaysinasnit (Reply #1)

Fri Feb 22, 2019, 09:11 PM

45. Considering that Texas Woman just got 5 years for voter fraud

Fraud committed by the candidate has to garner more than 5 years then!

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Response to Obvious85 (Reply #45)

Fri Feb 22, 2019, 09:15 PM

46. You're right. If this guy gets convicted, what do you think the odds are of him serving

more than the 5 years that the Texas woman got, seeing as this is election fraud?

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Response to dlk (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2019, 06:06 PM

2. Good question - why is he still a candidate in the runoff election?

At the very least he should be disqualified from ever running in that district.

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Response to FakeNoose (Reply #2)

Fri Feb 22, 2019, 08:49 PM

40. The election commission isn't considered a court of law per se, and doesn't have the right to

punish or convict anyone. All they can do is certify or not certify the election. They did not certify it, therefore the election happens again with the same candidates. That is actually good for us. The republicans want the primaries to be repeated so they can get another candidate, but hopefully that won't happen.

BTW, the election commission forwarded McCrae Dowless' name to the DOJ for prosecution for the 2016 election, but Trump's DOJ did absolutely nothing.

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Response to dlk (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2019, 06:07 PM

3. It goes back to the primaries.

His primary opponent was also a victim of the scheme, and I think he was an incumbent.

The operative also needs to be charged.

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Response to LisaM (Reply #3)

Fri Feb 22, 2019, 08:57 PM

43. He was an incumbent

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Response to jmowreader (Reply #43)

Fri Feb 22, 2019, 09:15 PM

47. If I recall - he used the same ballot fraud scheme perp as a consultant - in the primary in 2016

which is why the son - by reviewing election results (? presumably) came to the conclusion that in 2016 there was some fraud going on in the primary elections.

He is also slimed by the use of absentee voter fraud to win the seat in 2016.

Both "candidates" are tainted. But perhaps he was unaware of the scheme - as he didn't hire the guy (or perhaps was turned down because he was already hired by Harris?) in the reelection campaign.

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Response to dlk (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2019, 06:07 PM

4. I have heard that an investigation has been opened.

These things take time; they don't happen instantly. He's entitled to due process, a trial if necessary, just like everyone else. And obviously the GOP didn't get away with it because a new election has been ordered. The way their election laws work doesn't allow for McCready being declared the winner. There has to be a new election.

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Response to dlk (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2019, 06:08 PM

5. I think referrals have been made to the SA office.

He certainly looks to have known exactly who and what he was hiring.

Yes, he also scammed Pittenger (no gem but less vile than Harris) out of a primary.

I don't see how he will able to remain a candidate after saying he had sepsis and 2 strokes and it made him lie.


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Response to bullimiami (Reply #5)

Sat Feb 23, 2019, 04:57 AM

49. Did you see what his son said when he asked if

It would be ok to proceed with the plan?

Itís fine, if you donít mind it being on the news.

That young man will have to testify.

Why they couldnít compete fair and square I donít know.

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Response to mahina (Reply #49)

Sat Feb 23, 2019, 10:16 AM

50. Yes. I think this is a big part of what brought the hammer down.

Harris was still grandstanding before that.

Simple. They didn't run an honest campaign because Harris is not an honest person.

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Response to dlk (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2019, 06:08 PM

6. Because he hasn't been tried yet?

The facts of the case only came out -- officially -- at this week's hearing. NOW we move ahead to criminal prosecution.

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Response to dlk (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2019, 06:09 PM

7. Because Jeebus and stuff...

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Response to dlk (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2019, 06:09 PM

8. Democrats may actually benefit from his remaining on the ballot. Let him lose and then prosecute him

This guy is going to be like a piŮata.

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Response to dameatball (Reply #8)

Fri Feb 22, 2019, 08:23 PM

24. Exactly

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Response to dlk (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2019, 06:10 PM

9. +1,000

Get thee to the greatest page

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Response to dlk (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2019, 06:15 PM

10. better question - why hasn't the guy who tampered with the actual ballots been arrested?

Shoplifters get arrested on less evidence. Why hasn't this guy at least been booked? It sounds like his whole family was in on it. They already flipped on him.

Jeebus. How much more does a prosecutor need? The guy is even a convicted felon. It's not like they need a lot of legal cover here.

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Response to dlk (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2019, 06:18 PM

11. Because it takes longer than a few days to try and convict someone

The most damning evidence came out just this week when his son testified.

He needs to lawyer up now. Charges will happen.

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Response to dlk (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2019, 06:21 PM

12. AGREE!!! 100%

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Response to dlk (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2019, 06:46 PM

13. Harris Should Forfeit Because of His Felonious Cheating

The GOP doesnít deserve a second bite of the apple. And if, unfortunately, there is a do-over, McCready shouldnít have to spend one more dollar for the campaign. Democrats didnít violate election law. The GOP should have underwrite the costs for both sides.

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Response to dlk (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2019, 07:05 PM

14. Good points. I wonder what's up with that. Any North Carolinians here? nt

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Response to dlk (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2019, 07:06 PM

15. "Oops. Got caught. My bad. Do over?"

Absolutely not. Any cheater should forfeit the race and the victory should be given to the person with the next highest total.

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Response to dlk (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2019, 07:07 PM

16. 'cuz he's a rightous Christian Pastard

He done gots Gawd on his side,

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Response to dlk (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2019, 07:11 PM

17. Well, there's one possible answer...

Sheriff Andy Taylor did exist, and his friend Goober became secretary of state in NC.

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Response to Fritz Walter (Reply #17)

Fri Feb 22, 2019, 08:40 PM

33. Elaine Marshall is the SOS, and a Democrat as is the Josh Stain the Attorney General and

the Wake County DA who I believe is tasked with investigating this. Part of the delays were due to some funky stuff the Repug GA did to try to weaken our Democratic Governor, that was overturned by the court.

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Response to Fritz Walter (Reply #17)

Fri Feb 22, 2019, 08:47 PM

39. Fritz speaks out of turn. Elaine Marshall, Secretary of state for NC, is a friend to ALL voters.

The local elections board must swear a complaint and send it to the AG. Since the previous board was dissolved before they could do so none has gone forward until now.

Your anti-southern bias is sadly misplaced and dishonors NC Democrats, Elaine Among them. Shame on you for such lazy thinking.

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Response to dlk (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2019, 07:39 PM

18. Rethuglicans always rail against voter fraud and not election fraud, at which they're experts.

Very few cases of actual voter fraud occur and where it has been discovered, it's usually an "R" who committed it. Lie, cheat, and steal is their MO. This abomination must go the way of the Whigs.

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Response to dlk (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2019, 07:58 PM

19. EXACTLY!!! So far the only recourse in these matters has been for citizens to come up with the

funding themselves, and nonprofits, and sue the violators, such as elections officials, in court. We have a SERIOUS weakness in our elections infrastructure that protects corrupt politicians and elections officials and does nothing to protect citizens and even allows officials to intimidate citizens who speak out.

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Response to dlk (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2019, 08:03 PM

20. Because he's white?

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Response to dlk (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2019, 08:07 PM

21. Maybe

they are setting the precedent for when Trump gets busted for stealing the Presidency from Hillary. Just a do-over with no consequences.

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Response to dlk (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2019, 08:11 PM

22. Because he is a pastor.

N/t

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Response to dlk (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2019, 08:20 PM

23. Because he cried during his son's testimony

That appears to be a cleansing ritual for evangelicals--they cry when caught up in anything unseemly. Hard not to recall Jimmy Swaggart and his famous display of contrition.

As for the GOP? They're as hypocritical as these evangelical ministers. It's all about winning 24/7.

I agree. There should be no second chances on this one--a clear case of election fraud by a group that makes the ominous 'voter fraud' an endless battle cry.

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Response to peggysue2 (Reply #23)

Fri Feb 22, 2019, 08:30 PM

26. What if his wonderful 'pure as the driven snow'

son now runs to replace daddy. I'm cynical enough not to trust one of them

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Response to malaise (Reply #26)

Fri Feb 22, 2019, 08:32 PM

29. Oh, Lordy!

Hadn't even considered that, malaise. Wouldn't that be perfect.

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Response to malaise (Reply #26)

Fri Feb 22, 2019, 08:43 PM

35. Doubt it. His son is a lawyer for the DOJ and told his dad not to hire the guy. Said it looked fishy

Then ratted out his dad on the stand. I shouldn't say he ratted him out. He told the truth, that is all. Clearly his son is not republican material.

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Response to okaawhatever (Reply #35)

Fri Feb 22, 2019, 08:50 PM

41. Hope you're right

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Response to dlk (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2019, 08:26 PM

25. IOKIYAR nt

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Response to dlk (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2019, 08:31 PM

27. Is there evidence that he was a party to the cheating?

And did he confess to it if there is no evidence?

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #27)

Fri Feb 22, 2019, 08:42 PM

34. wellll, he was warned by his legal eagle son of legal issues with that operative

 

...and then he hired him. Isn't that criminal intent?

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Response to shanny (Reply #34)

Fri Feb 22, 2019, 08:43 PM

36. I am not an attorney.

My opinion is yes, it shows why he hired him. But proving it is the issue.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #36)

Fri Feb 22, 2019, 08:44 PM

37. Me neither.

 

I am hoping that the recent developments do result in a criminal referral, preferably in the middle of the do-over.

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Response to shanny (Reply #37)

Fri Feb 22, 2019, 08:45 PM

38. And at least massive fines, if not a requirement that he sell the team.

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Response to dlk (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2019, 08:32 PM

28. At least NOT allowed to run again or investigated or indicted. But, as we all know

IOKIYAR

But hoping that no longer applies with the new sheriffs in town





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Response to dlk (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2019, 08:35 PM

30. good question. i was wondering the same thing.

Not only Harris but all those involved in that scheme.

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Response to dlk (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2019, 08:37 PM

31. Because he has an "R" after his name.

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Response to dlk (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2019, 08:39 PM

32. IKR?

 

The biggest consequence is a do-over? We are doomed.

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Response to dlk (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2019, 08:55 PM

42. Because he's a republicon.

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Response to dlk (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2019, 09:02 PM

44. such a bunch of bs

why isn't donald trump behind bars?
why isn't jeffrey epstein behind bars?
why isn't alex acosta behind bars?

Oh, yeah. like someone else said a few posts back: they are republican.

why do 89% of republican voters still support dumpster? oh, yeah. they are MORANS!

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Response to dlk (Original post)

Fri Feb 22, 2019, 09:22 PM

48. Because he's a republican.

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Response to dlk (Original post)

Sat Feb 23, 2019, 11:57 AM

51. EXACTLY

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