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Mon Feb 25, 2019, 08:04 AM

Was Robert Kraft in the massage parlor at the time of the raid or was his name on the list....

of clients? Trump says he(Kraft) proclaims his innocence! Kraft must have received advice from Trump? Trump thinks he innocent on his every illegal doing! Not good advice in my opinion!

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Reply Was Robert Kraft in the massage parlor at the time of the raid or was his name on the list.... (Original post)
imanamerican63 Feb 2019 OP
dsc Feb 2019 #1
IluvPitties Feb 2019 #2
Funtatlaguy Feb 2019 #3
maxrandb Feb 2019 #4
JI7 Feb 2019 #5
maxrandb Feb 2019 #6
Buckeyeblue Feb 2019 #7
maxrandb Feb 2019 #9
LiberalFighter Feb 2019 #10
FakeNoose Feb 2019 #8
Wounded Bear Feb 2019 #11

Response to imanamerican63 (Original post)

Mon Feb 25, 2019, 08:07 AM

1. the part of the presser I heard

indicated they have Kraft on tape committing the sex acts described. (they have that for all the men who were arrested)

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Response to imanamerican63 (Original post)

Mon Feb 25, 2019, 08:17 AM

2. Dude's on tape. They recorded inside the place for a week.

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Response to imanamerican63 (Original post)

Mon Feb 25, 2019, 08:44 AM

3. Yes, video shows some deflated balls. Kraft exposed.

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Response to imanamerican63 (Original post)

Mon Feb 25, 2019, 09:13 AM

4. Am I the only one that finds the civil liberties aspect of this case troubling?

Having served 30 years in the Navy and knowing the kind of conditions that a "bar girl" in the Philippines is subject too, I find sex-trafficking and coercion into sexual servitude disgusting.

I am troubled by the actions of law enforcement here.

I'd like some more details, because it appears that unless they had cooperating witnesses within the massage parlors, they either clandestinely planted hidden cameras, broke in overnight and planted hidden cameras, or ran hidden cameras through the walls or ventilation systems.

That seems like a pretty steep slippery slope. I understand that there is no protection of the 4TH Amendment if you are engaged in criminal activity, but I'm not sure where the limits are to what law enforcement can do.

If they suspect you of filing a false tax-return, would they be able to break into your home and plant hidden cameras and listening devices in your home?

I'm all for prosecuting the hell out of human traffickers. I think that good old fashioned gum-shoe work could have accomplished that.

If you suspect that women are being held against their will, arrest the owners of the business. In most states, it's a violation of the law to require employees to sleep at their place of business. Arrest the owners if that if going on.

There have to be some limits. Are we to assume that everywhere we go, there are law enforcement hidden camera's?

To me, that's a bridge too far.

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Response to maxrandb (Reply #4)

Mon Feb 25, 2019, 09:18 AM

5. considering what they found im sure they had good reason to suspect something was up

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Response to JI7 (Reply #5)

Mon Feb 25, 2019, 09:22 AM

6. I understand that

I'm just wondering where we draw the line.

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Response to maxrandb (Reply #6)

Mon Feb 25, 2019, 09:28 AM

7. Often times these cases have issues with entrapment

But I think it is odd that they would tape the entire crime without stepping in to arrest.

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Response to Buckeyeblue (Reply #7)

Mon Feb 25, 2019, 09:42 AM

9. Entrapment is an issue, but that's for the courts to decide

Often times, folks screaming "entrapment" are doing so because they were caught.

I'm more interested in privacy and the right to be secure as we move around in this digital world.

It's a dangerous slope. I mean, I'm sure that law enforcement would NEVER use this power for nefarious reasons.

We have gone so far down the rabbit-hole of "surveillance" for our "protection", I'm not sure we can get out of it.

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Response to maxrandb (Reply #9)

Mon Feb 25, 2019, 10:44 AM

10. Privacy would be in your home, property, car, etc.

Once you step out of your home, car, or other property that you have private control then the line is gone. When you interact with someone in a business the personal property disappears. Subject to visits to ensure there are no code violations pertaining to a business. But there are I believe certain protections for employees within a business if they have a personal locker. Which would I believe require a search warrant. The same for the business safe, etc.

It still requires gathering evidence based on suspicion of a crime being committed.

In the case of Kraft there is this question. For a man as rich as him if he was only there for a massage. Why didn't he just call to have a real massage person to his office?

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Response to maxrandb (Reply #4)

Mon Feb 25, 2019, 09:28 AM

8. +1 I totally agree

It's the owners who should be arrested, and since they are probably paying off the police and other authorities, well ...

Has anyone considered the safety of these women, who could be victims forced into do this against their will? Why is the celebrity of the johns the only consideration here?

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Response to maxrandb (Reply #4)

Mon Feb 25, 2019, 10:46 AM

11. Presumably, they had warrants issued by a judge...

Otherwise, the recordings would be inadmissable.

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