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Sat Mar 2, 2019, 01:42 AM

I am actually quite afraid of the spread of "socialism"

Decades ago, "socialism" was being told you like the USSR.

Years ago, "socialism" was thinking everyone should have healthcare.

Today, "socialism" is apparently not wanting to be shot in school or valuing the environment and people who would be harmed by climate change over profit margins.

What will it be tomorrow?

Will "socialism" be not wanting to throw virgins into volcanoes to appease the Blessed Job Creators and so the Dow can rally for the day?

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Reply I am actually quite afraid of the spread of "socialism" (Original post)
ck4829 Mar 2019 OP
Going to Jackson Mar 2019 #1
ck4829 Mar 2019 #2
rusty quoin Mar 2019 #3
safeinOhio Mar 2019 #5
rusty quoin Mar 2019 #7
H2O Man Mar 2019 #4
rusty quoin Mar 2019 #6
H2O Man Mar 2019 #12
OnDoutside Mar 2019 #8
Raine Mar 2019 #9
mr_lebowski Mar 2019 #10
rampartc Mar 2019 #11

Response to ck4829 (Original post)

Sat Mar 2, 2019, 01:44 AM

1. ????

 

I don't get it.

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Response to Going to Jackson (Reply #1)

Sat Mar 2, 2019, 01:47 AM

2. Good point, I don't get it either

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Response to ck4829 (Original post)

Sat Mar 2, 2019, 01:51 AM

3. It's like the other side warns us against a Stalin like system.

All that is wanted are regulations on greed, and looking out for most of us. We are a long way from Stalin. But we are about over the edge of absolute fascism.

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Response to rusty quoin (Reply #3)

Sat Mar 2, 2019, 02:16 AM

5. Adam Smith the father of Capitalism....

Adam Smith's greatest statement regarding the need for government regulation of capitalism occurs at the end of Book One of the Wealth of Nations. Smith here stated that the economic “interests” of businessmen are naturally opposed to the public interest. ... Monopolies hurt capitalism.

Then along came Ayn Rand.

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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #5)

Sat Mar 2, 2019, 02:25 AM

7. She was perverse, as are her admirers.

I once read that the Inuit culture would kick out persons like that onto the ice to live alone, and far away from normal people.

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Response to ck4829 (Original post)

Sat Mar 2, 2019, 01:58 AM

4. I'm more concerned

with the republicans' anti-socialism.

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #4)

Sat Mar 2, 2019, 02:19 AM

6. Or even socialism for the rich. That's when we give big tax breaks for the very rich and compete

to undermine other cities with better social/money deals.

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Response to rusty quoin (Reply #6)

Sat Mar 2, 2019, 12:22 PM

12. Back in 2002,

I spoke at a high school about a large toxic industrial waste dump site. It covers 130 acres, and was 60 feet deep, thanks to an area defense industry. The school was holding a "mock trial," to determine if the industry was "guilty" and responsible for the clean-up.

The "defense" was led by the son of a local attorney, and coordinated with their star witness from the industry. I was the "prosecutor's" star witness. When I was being cross-examined, the boy became frustrate, and asked, "Isn't it true that you are a socialist?" Ooh, baby! Felt like I was back in the boxing ring, and my opponent had just made a mistake that he would now pay dearly for.

I said that "socialism" was an interesting term. I had, for example, come to the school on a public highway, not a private turnpike. And he was attending a public school, rather than a private one, making him a student of socialism. That education, I said, would hopefully help him understand the dynamics in play in this case.

The industry had sued the EPA in 1998 -- the first case involving the EPA's MWP -- in federal court. I had assisted the EPA legal team, in that I could document the industry's activities at the site from 1963 to 1978 (two years after the site was closed by the federal government). Not surprising, the industry won. Three towns and one village were going to have to pay for cleaning up the industry's mess.

I asked the kid: if I had a private industry in my home, and dumped toxic wastes on my neighbor's property, who should pay for the clean-up? Me, my neighbor, or the local community? He said that I should of course. I said that would be actual "free enterprise," where one makes a profit or a loss. But having others pay for my mess, while I kept the profits .....what was that? Is it not socialism?

The boy ran from the theater crying.

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Response to ck4829 (Original post)

Sat Mar 2, 2019, 02:26 AM

8. What kind of socialism ?

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Response to ck4829 (Original post)

Sat Mar 2, 2019, 02:35 AM

9. We have Socialism now but

it's for the super rich who get all the government breaks while everyone else pays.

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Response to ck4829 (Original post)

Sat Mar 2, 2019, 03:31 AM

10. I follow ya ... and yup, it's frightening this trajectory ... (nt)

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Response to ck4829 (Original post)

Sat Mar 2, 2019, 04:32 AM

11. we are dealing with manichaeans it is their religion of good vs evil

it is either full open carry any weapon by any person any time or it is evil "gun control."

same with unregulated capitalism. any attempt to seperate the capitalist from his prey is seen as evil communism.

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