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Sun Mar 3, 2019, 02:34 PM

Do we like PETA?

I ask because someone I know and respect, a die hard Democrat and trump hater, thinks they're evil.

I, on the other hand, while I do not share their utopian vision of a pet-free world, think they're an honorable and necessary organization.

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Reply Do we like PETA? (Original post)
Goodheart Mar 2019 OP
beachbum bob Mar 2019 #1
Goodheart Mar 2019 #2
beachbum bob Mar 2019 #3
Croney Mar 2019 #4
Archae Mar 2019 #22
mucifer Mar 2019 #52
Jake Stern Mar 2019 #60
mucifer Mar 2019 #70
Lucid Dreamer Mar 2019 #81
Caliman73 Mar 2019 #82
ProfessorGAC Mar 2019 #65
Mariana Mar 2019 #69
ProfessorGAC Mar 2019 #84
GeorgeGist Mar 2019 #12
handmade34 Mar 2019 #32
Beringia Mar 2019 #78
yewberry Mar 2019 #5
Goodheart Mar 2019 #6
brooklynite Mar 2019 #20
Amishman Mar 2019 #24
crazycatlady Mar 2019 #62
happybird Mar 2019 #55
yewberry Mar 2019 #68
Mariana Mar 2019 #73
Irishxs Mar 2019 #7
Goodheart Mar 2019 #9
Iggo Mar 2019 #8
Ferrets are Cool Mar 2019 #10
CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #11
comradebillyboy Mar 2019 #29
MiltonBrown Mar 2019 #59
Hortensis Mar 2019 #67
happybird Mar 2019 #13
melman Mar 2019 #14
X_Digger Mar 2019 #15
caraher Mar 2019 #16
Boomerproud Mar 2019 #17
UniteFightBack Mar 2019 #18
hunter Mar 2019 #19
WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2019 #21
Wounded Bear Mar 2019 #23
Meowmee Mar 2019 #25
Bettie Mar 2019 #26
comradebillyboy Mar 2019 #27
Laffy Kat Mar 2019 #28
Iggo Mar 2019 #30
ismnotwasm Mar 2019 #31
mr_lebowski Mar 2019 #33
IluvPitties Mar 2019 #34
mr_lebowski Mar 2019 #36
ProudLib72 Mar 2019 #61
yewberry Mar 2019 #71
ProudLib72 Mar 2019 #74
IluvPitties Mar 2019 #77
ProudLib72 Mar 2019 #80
True Dough Mar 2019 #35
crazycatlady Mar 2019 #64
True Dough Mar 2019 #76
handmade34 Mar 2019 #37
still_one Mar 2019 #39
crazycatlady Mar 2019 #85
still_one Mar 2019 #38
CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #40
Blue_true Mar 2019 #45
CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #46
Blue_true Mar 2019 #48
Jake Stern Mar 2019 #41
Blue_true Mar 2019 #47
happybird Mar 2019 #54
Blue_true Mar 2019 #42
OnDoutside Mar 2019 #43
Kaleva Mar 2019 #44
nini Mar 2019 #49
jpak Mar 2019 #50
Bayard Mar 2019 #51
mucifer Mar 2019 #53
DinahMoeHum Mar 2019 #56
aikoaiko Mar 2019 #57
jmowreader Mar 2019 #58
ProfessorGAC Mar 2019 #66
Xolodno Mar 2019 #63
tandem5 Mar 2019 #72
PTWB Mar 2019 #75
pnwmom Mar 2019 #79
CrossingTheRubicon Mar 2019 #86
TheBlackAdder Mar 2019 #83

Response to Goodheart (Original post)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 02:35 PM

1. any one telling what is good for me can kiss my a$$...whether conservative OR liberal

 

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Response to beachbum bob (Reply #1)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 02:36 PM

2. Does that include your doctor?

That's just silly. They share their philosophies just as you do.

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Response to Goodheart (Reply #2)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 02:39 PM

3. my doctor doesn't preach to me on what I perceive as "social issues", no arguement that

 

PETA makes would ever influence me or my doctor. Same with Vegans or Flatearthers

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Response to beachbum bob (Reply #3)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 02:45 PM

4. I wouldn't lump vegans and flatearthers together.

Vegans eat certain things and don't eat certain things. Flatearthers are just...stupid. (Although I think most of them are just pretending, for fun.)

I respect PETA a lot. But I'll eat a boiled lobster. I'd like to be vegan or at least vegetarian.

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Response to Croney (Reply #4)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 04:02 PM

22. Depends on the vegan, of course.

The more militant ones want to force EVERYONE to eat the way they do.
Fortunately they are rather few in number.

Cory Booker is not one like that,

But I have met over the years a couple "vegan evangelists" who condemn me to their version of "hell," because I was eating a cheeseburger.

One of my close relatives tried vegan for a while, but gave it up since all she did was get sick to her stomach a lot.

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Response to Archae (Reply #22)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 06:09 PM

52. I hate it when the omnivores decide we are all militant. They say we get ugly. I feel we

vegans are constantly under attack.

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Response to mucifer (Reply #52)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 06:53 PM

60. Not all are militant

but more than a few are.

The thing about many vegans that annoys the shit out of me is the preachiness. As noted downthread I had to unfriend a vegan I've known since childhood because of her almost incessant preaching on the virtues of being a vegan and how it's made her life soooooooo much better.

If I wish to know more about the vegan lifestyle I will ask.

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Response to Jake Stern (Reply #60)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 07:33 PM

70. I think what you should maybe think about is we constantly hear about the meat lifestyle we can't

escape it.

That's just something to consider.

We can't walk down the street without advertisements on the streets much less adds on tv or the internet.

I don't ask about meat and dairy and eggs. It's always in my face.

No, I don't talk about being vegan a lot with friends and family who eat animals. But, I think people should think about what we go through.

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Response to mucifer (Reply #70)

Mon Mar 4, 2019, 01:58 AM

81. I eat meat, but I don't talk about it...

And I eat a bunch of crap besides that I'm told isn't healthy. But now I'm just to damn old to change... even though I've been told so many times I'd never make this long.

I don't mind what people eat. I just don't want it preached to me as the better way. I am not going to change.

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Response to Lucid Dreamer (Reply #81)

Mon Mar 4, 2019, 02:25 AM

82. We don't have to talk about it. It permeates society.

Eating meat is seen as "normal" in American and many other societies. People who adapt, especially strict vegan diets are hard pressed to find foods that have not been linked in any way with a meat eating diet. Those who have political views about eating meat are often demonized.

The crazy thing is that the idea of an omnivorous diet is sort of like White, or male privilege in that when we get criticized for eating meat and the very real consequences that our choice has on the environment, we feel like we are being persecuted.

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Response to Goodheart (Reply #2)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 07:10 PM

65. I Don't Take Orders From My Doctor

He suggests I decide.
A poor analogy from you.

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Response to ProfessorGAC (Reply #65)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 07:29 PM

69. You don't take orders from PETA, either.

Do you?

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Response to Mariana (Reply #69)

Mon Mar 4, 2019, 08:59 AM

84. Really?

The reply was in reference to a poster saying we take instruction from our doctors.
I don't. I take suggestions, not directions, instructions, or orders.
Then, the best you have is to put words in my mouth? I didn't mention PETA.

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Response to beachbum bob (Reply #1)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 03:03 PM

12. How open minded of you.

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Response to beachbum bob (Reply #1)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 04:22 PM

32. you are the reason

we need a strong government to protect us from ourselves...

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Response to beachbum bob (Reply #1)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 10:31 PM

78. But you don't mind laws that protect you do you


We don't need a People for the Ethical Treatment of People anymore, because of laws

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Response to Goodheart (Original post)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 02:46 PM

5. DU hates peta.

Also vegans, as you are undoubtedly about to see.

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Response to yewberry (Reply #5)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 02:49 PM

6. That's sad.

Anybody who cares for animal suffering is all right in my book, even if I don't agree with every last thing they've ever done or proposed.

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Response to yewberry (Reply #5)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 03:49 PM

20. DU does NOT hate vegans

It hates people who post holier-than-thou “I don’t XXXX and neither should you” comments.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #20)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 04:12 PM

24. What brooklynite said

I hate people who try to run my life for me; evangelicals if any kind. I don't care if you are preaching at me about Jesus, tofu, Norwex, or any other way that you want to change my life - if you are judging me and telling me to change my life you can go fuck off.

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Response to Amishman (Reply #24)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 07:06 PM

62. +1000

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #20)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 06:20 PM

55. +100

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #20)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 07:27 PM

68. Experiences vary.

Preemptive assumptions about being preachy, judgmental, holier-than-thou, militant, & evangelical abound.

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Response to yewberry (Reply #68)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 07:43 PM

73. The hatred, by some, is very obvious. nt.

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Response to Goodheart (Original post)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 02:54 PM

7. Agree peta is honorable organization.

Sometimes you have to go extreme just to end up with middle.

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Response to Irishxs (Reply #7)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 02:59 PM

9. That's my take.

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Response to Goodheart (Original post)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 02:56 PM

8. I do. I don't know about "we."

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Response to Goodheart (Original post)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 03:00 PM

10. Just as in most things....

there is a line which can be stepped across. They cross that line at times, but in most respects I agree with their views. I hate animal abuses.

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Response to Goodheart (Original post)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 03:01 PM

11. PETA is a dishonorable organization. Extremist and often criminal.

 

Their policies are often diametrically opposed to animal welfare.

The more people know about PETA the less they will like them.

No beef with vegans. I'd like Cory to be our next VP.

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Response to CrossingTheRubicon (Reply #11)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 04:18 PM

29. ++++++

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Response to CrossingTheRubicon (Reply #11)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 06:49 PM

59. This

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Response to CrossingTheRubicon (Reply #11)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 07:16 PM

67. Extremist, and the rest comes naturally and inevitably.

Lots of people want to be good, try to do good, and believe they're succeeding, but that doesn't mean all are.

At least PETA apparently has limited itself to only promoting and financing some terrorist acts by others and other violence against humans, although animals, shockingly, are often not safe from them.

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Response to Goodheart (Original post)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 03:04 PM

13. I don't

Peta is NOT pet friendly.
I'm from VA and this was big news here a few years ago:

"that same facility also euthanized more than 80 percent of the animals in its care last year, a rate so shockingly high that Virginia lawmakers passed a bill in February — nearly unanimously — to define a private animal shelter as a place where the primary mission is to find permanent homes for animals in this life, not send them on to the next."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/religion/at-petas-shelter-most-animals-are-put-down-peta-calls-them-mercy-killings/2015/03/12/e84e9af2-c8fa-11e4-bea5-b893e7ac3fb3_story.html?utm_term=.e4eeea797b29

And, they spend more money on celebrity ads, self promotion, and publicity stunts than doing something to actually help.


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Response to Goodheart (Original post)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 03:06 PM

14. I love PETA

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Response to Goodheart (Original post)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 03:07 PM

15. Fuck PETA.

They kill 90% of the pets they take in, including snatching pets from backyards and euthanizing them.

They tried to link autism to milk, they dressed up in kkk robes to protest westminster kennel club..

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Response to Goodheart (Original post)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 03:08 PM

16. I think PETA does more harm than good to their own cause

Their stunts, on balance, confirm every negative stereotype of those concerned with the welfare of non-human human life in the eyes of the people who most need to be reached.

I wouldn't say the organization shouldn't exist, just that the good it does is mostly in the hearts and imaginations of people already won over by their cause.

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Response to Goodheart (Original post)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 03:11 PM

17. I support and admire any organization that

protects and gives voice to the voiceless. However, I also feel the PR stunts are stupid and counterproductive. Needs new leadership.

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Response to Goodheart (Original post)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 03:17 PM

18. Yes they do evil things...they take the ideology too far. They want to eradicate all pets and they

literally do their part with their 'shelter'...it was a big scandal.

With that being said I will still sign a petition or back an initiative I believe in. But I'll never give them money or don their logo.

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Response to Goodheart (Original post)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 03:45 PM

19. "To save the town, it became necessary to destroy it..." Fuck that shit.

This kind of evangelism goes way back in human history.

But I am some sort of misanthropic radical who adopts difficult dogs from the shelter. I have a very low opinion of those who breed and buy dogs as fashion accessories.

Typical producers of "factory farm" meat and dairy products are loathsome. Their animals and assembly line workers live in hell.


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Response to Goodheart (Original post)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 03:59 PM

21. Fuck PETA.

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Response to Goodheart (Original post)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 04:08 PM

23. I'm all for ending abuse, but they've kind of gone off the rails lately...

I think it hurts their cause when they go radical.

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Response to Goodheart (Original post)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 04:15 PM

25. I don't

They are a dishonest and fraudulent oganization. Crazies are bad news,whichever side they are on. Just google and you will find plenty of information about this. Anyone who supports them should throw away all meds and stop all treatments you use, which have used or relied on any animal research, even the life saving ones, since Peta is against any animal research. Statistics I found state an 83% euthanization rate at their shelters in 2018.

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Response to Goodheart (Original post)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 04:16 PM

26. I don't

they kill the vast majority of the animals at their "shelters". So, the whole animal welfare portion of their supposed organization is just bullshit.

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Response to Goodheart (Original post)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 04:16 PM

27. Sorry but PETA are extremists and I don't want them anywhere

near my dogs. They capture and kill pets.

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Response to Goodheart (Original post)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 04:17 PM

28. They have their place and I'm glad they're around.

I agree with them about 50% of the time.

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Response to Laffy Kat (Reply #28)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 04:19 PM

30. That's actually a very good and a very non-absolutist description.

I approve!

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Response to Goodheart (Original post)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 04:21 PM

31. I don't

Not one bit

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Response to Goodheart (Original post)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 04:24 PM

33. I'm Army of the 12 Monkeys, man ... (nt)

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Response to Goodheart (Original post)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 04:24 PM

34. They hate pitties.

For instance, they can go f**k themselves.

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Response to IluvPitties (Reply #34)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 04:26 PM

36. For reals? Well FUCK THEM then ... Pitties rule :)

You probably saw this on another thread from yesterday, but I'll post again ... our pit rules ... tell me that's not the sweetest FACE

(well, okay, my ex-wife's pit, but he was ours for 9 years) ...

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Response to IluvPitties (Reply #34)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 06:58 PM

61. Do they say that somewhere?

Seriously, I want to know what they said about pitties.

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Response to ProudLib72 (Reply #61)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 07:35 PM

71. No.

They discourage breeding of all companion animals.

Here's their position:
To clarify PETA’s position on pit bulls: We’re for ’em.

By “for ’em,” I mean that we are for pit bull protection, for their happiness, and for treating them like dogs instead of like cheap burglar alarms, punching bags, or gladiators in perverted death matches.

Some pit bull fanciers out there seem to think that PETA is “against” pit bulls because we don’t oppose breed-specific measures to address what is obviously a breed-specific crisis. Au contraire. If someone proposed a ban on breeding Labrador retrievers or Chihuahuas or poodles (you get the picture – any dog), we’d be for those too. That’s because we don’t think any dogs should be brought into the world as long as millions are dying for lack of homes in animal shelters and on the streets every year.

Millions, people. Millions of dogs just like the ones you share your homes with have to be euthanized because too many people fail to spay and neuter their animals and choose to buy from breeders and pet stores instead of saving lives by adopting from animal shelters. Wouldn’t we be derelict in our duty if we didn’t support laws that would alleviate suffering and reduce those numbers? If those laws saved just one animal from suffering a miserable life or a painful death, wouldn’t they be worth it?

Pit bulls are often singled out by legislators because they are involved in so many attacks on humans and other dogs—as well as horrific cruelty cases. Our fieldworkers know firsthand just how frequently and mercilessly pit bulls are abused. These dogs are hands-down the most common victims of heartbreaking abuse and severe neglect that our caseworkers encounter.


https://www.peta.org/blog/peta-position-pit-bulls/

DO NOT click through the link unless you're prepared to see photos of pit bulls who've been mistreated or abused.

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Response to yewberry (Reply #71)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 07:51 PM

74. Thanks!

I am NOT going to click that link!!!! But I'm glad you did to retrieve the info

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Response to ProudLib72 (Reply #74)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 09:43 PM

77. The info provided to you was from 2009

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Response to IluvPitties (Reply #77)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 11:44 PM

80. Just weird! Like WTF weird.

I've met plenty of pitties, and I can remember two that were not so good. One was in a sketchy neighborhood locked in a car. The other was a puppy with a lot of energy who was being a little too aggressive at the dog park and had to go home. Other than that, all the pitties I've met have been delightful. Perhaps a little shy, but really funny. One time my 35 lb blue heeler didn't like how a 110 lb pit mom was playing rough with her 106 lb pit son, so he decided to break it up. The son took off and cowered by the fence. The mom stood her ground. She and my dog had a growling/snapping match until I broke it up. Nothing happened, but if it had, it would have been my dog's fault.

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Response to Goodheart (Original post)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 04:25 PM

35. I don't mind

"PETA" Griffin


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Response to True Dough (Reply #35)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 07:09 PM

64. His actual name is Peter

The better choice would be Peeta Malark (Hunger Games).

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Response to crazycatlady (Reply #64)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 08:19 PM

76. Do you watch Family Guy?

Although I'm aware his name is Peter, when Lois calls him, you could easily mistake it for PETA.

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Response to Goodheart (Original post)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 04:27 PM

37. PETA is too dogmatic

I am vegetarian (pretty much vegan) and would love to have people understand the reasons factory farming and eating copious amounts of meat is bad for the individual, the Country and the planet


change, preferably will come with education and free choice, but at some point we must protect the environment from assholes who refuse to accept responsibility for the part they play in climate change, high medical costs, inequality, etc...


people shouldn't preach to the unwilling

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Response to handmade34 (Reply #37)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 04:49 PM

39. My thoughts exactly, and I also am a vegetarian

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Response to handmade34 (Reply #37)

Mon Mar 4, 2019, 10:29 AM

85. my thoughts exactly

(ALso a vegetarian)

If I wanted to learn about Jesus or veganism, I don't need an activist in the streets or on the internet telling me about it. I know how to use Google and I will research on my own (if I want to).

An unsolicited pamphlet about either is likely to end up in my recycle bin. Obnoxious activists are likely to turn me away from the cause they're working to promote.

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Response to Goodheart (Original post)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 04:48 PM

38. They are not evil, but I believe they did more damage then help their cause

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Response to Goodheart (Original post)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 04:54 PM

40. PETA kills more than 90% of the animals that come into their shelters.

 

They are evil. And they are not humane.

A "pet-free world" means all the companion animals in the world should be exterminated.

Pure evil.

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Response to CrossingTheRubicon (Reply #40)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 05:53 PM

45. That is sad. Why don't they sterilize them instead of killing them?

At least then people can enjoy the company of a pet.

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Response to Blue_true (Reply #45)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 05:55 PM

46. They do not believe that animals should be enslaved as "pets."

 

This group is insane. Really insane.

Death is better than bondage in the mind of PETA.

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Response to CrossingTheRubicon (Reply #46)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 05:59 PM

48. Then what is the difference between them and factory farms? nt

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Response to Goodheart (Original post)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 05:20 PM

41. A story of what they did to a homeless man caused me to turn against them

They convinced a homeless man to let them take his companion dog with the lie that they would get it shots and a checkup then bring it back but then they euthanized it as soon as the animal arrived at the shelter.

Even worse was the smug, self-righteous attitude they displayed when called out on it.

Used to have a PETA supporting vegan friend on facebook that I had to unfriend after my repeated friendly requests for her to NOT tag me in her vegan/animal rights posts went ignored.

While it's unfair to broad brush folks, it seems like most of the vegans I meet are militant about it.

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Response to Jake Stern (Reply #41)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 05:55 PM

47. Do the people that are giving PETA money all know that the organization kills

most animals that it takes in?

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Response to Jake Stern (Reply #41)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 06:19 PM

54. That is utterly despicable

As someone said upthread, the more one knows about peta, the less they'll like them.

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Response to Goodheart (Original post)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 05:21 PM

42. I think that they are valuable, but occasionally they go overboard, IMO. nt

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Response to Goodheart (Original post)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 05:30 PM

43. I think they're a terrorist organisation, and should be treated as such.

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Response to Goodheart (Original post)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 05:32 PM

44. An extremist organization that we could do without.

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Response to Goodheart (Original post)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 06:00 PM

49. I despise them

They were protesting outside UCLA medical center when my sister was trying to get in to when my nephew was preparing for a life saving heart surgery. They were expecting her to not go in - like you would if a store workers were on strike. They were yelling in her face at one of the most stressful times of her life. I hate them.

They're assholes. I'll stick with real animal rescue organizations who actually accomplish good deeds.

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Response to Goodheart (Original post)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 06:00 PM

50. Yes

Taste like chicken.

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Response to Goodheart (Original post)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 06:01 PM

51. They do some good things

For instance, exposing abuses of lab animals.

But they definitely go off the rails more often than not. They would shriek in horror at my place.

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Response to Goodheart (Original post)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 06:12 PM

53. Mercy for Animals is a much better vegan organization IMO:

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Response to Goodheart (Original post)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 06:24 PM

56. I'm not crazy about PETA. Given their over-the-top. . .

. . .(at times) displays of their rhetoric and protest, I've felt their slogan should be:

"Eat Pu**y, Not Meat"



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Response to Goodheart (Original post)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 06:31 PM

57. I support animal research and I like eating meat.


Having said that I support PETAs efforts to catch people who don't follow animal handling rules.

But otherwise they can eff-off.

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Response to Goodheart (Original post)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 06:47 PM

58. PETA is not about animals. PETA is about PETA.

The American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals and the Humane Society of the United States are much more respectable groups.

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Response to jmowreader (Reply #58)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 07:14 PM

66. Perfectly Capsulized!

I question their sincerity at every turn. Somebody's getting rich, and it's not the animals!

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Response to Goodheart (Original post)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 07:07 PM

63. PETA: People Eating Tasty Animals...yeah I'm ok with that...

...oh you meant the other PETA...fuck those monsters.

I donate to the National Parks, California Sea Otter Fund and Petsmart Charities.

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Response to Goodheart (Original post)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 07:37 PM

72. I'm more of a tortilla fan if I'm choosing a flattened carb.

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Response to Goodheart (Original post)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 08:00 PM

75. Their name is commendable. Their methods, reprehensible.

They do so much harm.

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Response to Goodheart (Original post)

Sun Mar 3, 2019, 10:36 PM

79. Do we like organizations that euthanize the vast majority of dogs they take in? No, most of us don't

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/03/petas-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-history-of-killing-animals/254130/

Even acknowledging that PETA sterilized over 10,500 dogs and cats and returned them to their owners, it doesn't change the fact that its adoption rate in 2011 was 2.5 percent for dogs and 0.4 for cats. Even acknowleding that PETA never turns an animal away -- "the sick, the scarred and broken, the elderly, the aggressive and unsocialized..." -- doesn't change the fact that Virginia animal shelters as a whole had a much lower kill rate of 44 percent. And even acknowledging that PETA is often the first to rescue pets when heat waves and hurricanes hit, that doesn't change the fact that, at one of its shelters, it kills 84 percent of supposedly "unadoptable" animals within 24 hours of their arrival.


When I contacted PETA for a comment on these numbers, Amanda Schinke, a spokesperson for the organization, sent a thoughtful and detailed response. In it she explained how "euthanasia is a product of love for animals who have no one to love them." She called their killing a "tragic reality," one that forthrightly acknowledges how "sometimes [animals] need the comfort of being put out of their misery -- a painless release from a world in which they were abused and unwanted." Noting that PETA, unlike many "no-kill" shelters, turns no animal away, Schinke added, "we do everything in our power to help these animals." The harsh reality behind the grim numbers, she noted, should never be forgotten: "Millions of homeless animals are euthanized in animal shelters and veterinary offices across America because of simple math: too many animals and not enough suitable homes."

But is this really a simple math problem? Nathan Winograd doesn't think so. Winograd, a Stanford Law graduate and former corporate lawyer, is the author of Irreconcilable Differences: The Battle for the Heart and Soul of America's Animal Shelters. When the data on PETA dropped, he posted a scathing article insisting that the organization's almost 100 percent kill rate was due not to laziness or poor management but to "something more nefarious." Winograd asserts that PETA's failure to find homes for impounded companion animals is the result of founder Ingrid Newkirk's "dark impulses." Performing a virtual psychological vivisection, Winograd diagnoses Newkirk as a "disturbed person," a "shameless animal killer," and the executrix of a "bloody reign" of terror over dogs and cats. At one point, he even compares her to nurses who get a thrill from killing their human patients.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #79)

Mon Mar 4, 2019, 10:52 AM

86. PETA: Death is Love.

 

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Response to Goodheart (Original post)

Mon Mar 4, 2019, 02:49 AM

83. PETA tried to get Fish Kill, NY to change their name, because it showed calousness towards fish.

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At their highly publicized protest, they thought they would hammer the mayor of the town.

When they asked why residents of Fish Kill were happy to live in a town that promoted harm to fish, the mayor said that the word 'kill' means stream, hence the origin of Fish Kill's name was based off of a stream laden with fish. This was met with an, "Oh!"



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