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Tue Mar 5, 2019, 08:14 AM

I am a Democrat from the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party...

...just like FDR.

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Reply I am a Democrat from the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party... (Original post)
lapucelle Mar 2019 OP
brooklynite Mar 2019 #1
lapucelle Mar 2019 #3
MrsCoffee Mar 2019 #23
democrank Mar 2019 #2
lapucelle Mar 2019 #4
Ford_Prefect Mar 2019 #16
DFW Mar 2019 #25
Cartoonist Mar 2019 #5
lapucelle Mar 2019 #6
still_one Mar 2019 #26
Adrahil Mar 2019 #14
MrsCoffee Mar 2019 #22
betsuni Mar 2019 #24
Gothmog Mar 2019 #7
musette_sf Mar 2019 #10
Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #8
lapucelle Mar 2019 #9
Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #11
GulfCoast66 Mar 2019 #13
Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #21
Ford_Prefect Mar 2019 #12
GulfCoast66 Mar 2019 #15
Ford_Prefect Mar 2019 #17
GulfCoast66 Mar 2019 #18
Ford_Prefect Mar 2019 #19
GulfCoast66 Mar 2019 #20
Me. Mar 2019 #27
riverine Mar 2019 #28

Response to lapucelle (Original post)

Tue Mar 5, 2019, 08:15 AM

1. Out of curiosity, do you think any of our candidates are not?

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #1)

Tue Mar 5, 2019, 09:05 AM

3. I leave it to the candidates to define themselves. For the most part, they identify as Democrats

whether or not they are running for a higher office.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #1)

Wed Mar 6, 2019, 09:20 AM

23. I think one of our candidates is confused.

Iíll just use that word.

He says one thing while actively doing another.

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Response to lapucelle (Original post)

Tue Mar 5, 2019, 08:21 AM

2. That you, Howard?

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Response to democrank (Reply #2)

Tue Mar 5, 2019, 09:05 AM

4. ...

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Response to democrank (Reply #2)

Wed Mar 6, 2019, 10:20 AM

25. No, THIS is Howard

[URL=.html][IMG][/IMG][/URL]

But his sentiments haven't changed any.

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Response to lapucelle (Original post)

Tue Mar 5, 2019, 09:27 AM

5. I am sick of this bigotry

And that's exactly what it is.

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Response to Cartoonist (Reply #5)

Tue Mar 5, 2019, 09:31 AM

6. ...

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #6)

Wed Mar 6, 2019, 10:42 AM

26. Don't think about it too much. I never understood James Joyce Stream of the subconcious

and have no I idea what this is about either



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Response to Cartoonist (Reply #5)

Tue Mar 5, 2019, 08:37 PM

14. Wha????

 

Imagine promoting Democrats on a site devoted to promoting Democrats!

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Response to Cartoonist (Reply #5)

Wed Mar 6, 2019, 09:18 AM

22. Is this what they call performance art?

What a truly bizarre comment.

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Response to Cartoonist (Reply #5)

Wed Mar 6, 2019, 09:23 AM

24. ...

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Response to lapucelle (Original post)

Tue Mar 5, 2019, 07:40 PM

7. Same here and I will only support candidates who are proud members of the Democratic Party

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #7)

Tue Mar 5, 2019, 08:20 PM

10. + 1

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Response to lapucelle (Original post)

Tue Mar 5, 2019, 08:00 PM

8. FDR?

 

The man who support segregation in the south, created the military industrial complex, turned a blind eye to the holocaust and illegally imprisioned japanese-Americas.

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Response to Trumpocalypse (Reply #8)

Tue Mar 5, 2019, 08:17 PM

9. Interesting sig line.



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Response to lapucelle (Reply #9)

Tue Mar 5, 2019, 08:29 PM

11. Guess you didn't get the joke

 

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Response to Trumpocalypse (Reply #8)

Tue Mar 5, 2019, 08:33 PM

13. Before I respond, tell me you forgot the sarcasm thingy!!! Please.

In normal times I would have assumed it. But today, who knows!

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Response to GulfCoast66 (Reply #13)

Wed Mar 6, 2019, 02:58 AM

21. No I didn't

 

Feel free to respond

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Response to lapucelle (Original post)

Tue Mar 5, 2019, 08:30 PM

12. I am forever fascinated with those who claim to be party purists yet deny the value of those pols

who lead on significant issues of the day rather than by dramatically parroting dogma or patronizing powerful leadership and sponsors. I wonder how Henry Wallace or Harry Truman would fare in the hyper PC sensitive, poll driven optics of today? FDR drew from both sides of the aisle and broadly among political outsiders when building a government to face the worst of financial oppression and world tyranny.

For myself I see that we cannot go forward by circumspection. We must apply reason and reality check our goals. If we do not apply this common sense to evaluate our purpose and the process by which it must move forwards there will be no reason for those who most need our leadership in government to exert the fortitude needed to vote in some of the most contentious districts and electoral climate since 1860.

I would say that those who claim faith in the party of FDR must first read how that party came to be in all its inglorious incongruity. I am a product of the FDR, Truman, Kennedy, Johnson and Carter Party. I have sincere regrets over some of the actions of all of them.

I have my doubts about some of Bill Clinton's lesser choices and likewise feel that Obama let us down on some issues. I expected better of both of them. That doesn't mean they did not advance the Democratic cause nor did I refuse to vote for either man.

If you cannot face the issues related to our collective future without claiming party privilege by virtue of dogmatic labeling then you have no place contribute from. You are not dealing with the genuine issues but instead you cite the hubris of presumed moral superiority. We need people involved who are and have been taking on the real issues and who can add something to the discussion of how to address them.

We cannot afford to pretend that Politics as usual in any form will take us forwards. We must be bold and pragmatic. That is what repeatedly has won the day in the face of racist terrorism on the right and pathetic appeals to the pretense of "patriotism". Everyday voters are ever so tired of having the reality they see every day ignored in Congress and elsewhere. They need a political voice that speaks the sometimes ugly truth on the issues so that no-one in Flint, Michigan or any other town needs to worry about the water in their pipes while they are trying to find enough income to feed their families. They need a government that is willing to deliver on promises of better managing the planet: the air, the food, the water, and the overall ecology. They need politicians and federal agencies who are looking out for the future of ALL of the voters rather than those who own most of the GNP. We can no longer tolerate endless war, in ANY form. We need foreign policy that relates to a world already collapsing under the advancing pressures brought by climate change: even the Pentagon said so.

The only way this canoe goes forward is that everyone with a paddle rows. Anyone without makes sure there are more paddles and rowers ready. That is what we must do. Throwing resources and people out because you don't like the coat they are wearing is wasting energy and time we don't have.

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Response to Ford_Prefect (Reply #12)

Tue Mar 5, 2019, 08:42 PM

15. Good post but not really accurate. FDR did not draw republican support.

They hated his guts. Yeah, once war broke out they werenít totally obstructionists. But the celebrated when he died. In private of course.

FDR was constrained by the Southern Progressives who loved all his government programs. So long as blacks were not included. People like Huey long from my home state of Louisiana. And there were enough of them to defeat him and would have if he tried to extend those programs to minorities. So he did what he could do leaving it up to later politicians to solve that problem. Which 20 years later LBJ attempted.

His is a lesson we can still learn from. In politics, if your goal is all or nothing, you get nothing.

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Response to GulfCoast66 (Reply #15)

Tue Mar 5, 2019, 09:11 PM

17. The GOP hated him as did much of the class he came from (who didn't appreciate being taxed).

However he drew from Both parties to build his 2nd administration:

... in 1940, Roosevelt appointed two Republicans to his cabinet, to help ensure the backing of his military program by members of both parties. Henry L. Stimson became Secretary of War. He had held the office under President William Howard Taft, and had been President Hoover`s secretary of state. Stimson replaced Harry H. Woodring, who was considered to be an isolationist. Frank Knox, a newspaper publisher, became Secretary of the Navy.


https://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1591.html

We cannot view accurately the world or the situation FDR faced from 2019 assumptions about policy or political expediency. It was a very different world. That does not mean we should shy away from attempting the same ideals: Reality demands that we must.

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Response to Ford_Prefect (Reply #17)

Tue Mar 5, 2019, 09:19 PM

18. Certainly, but back then the military was seen as non political.

And these men were good at their jobs.

Secretary of War and the Navy has specific jobs to build up their departments and they were capable. And heading into a war being less partisan was important.

But the republicans hated all of his social reforms and still do. Modern republicans are those folks plus the southern racist(Iím as southern as they come) who successfully kept him from including blacks in his social programs.

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Response to GulfCoast66 (Reply #18)

Tue Mar 5, 2019, 09:36 PM

19. I lived 36 years in North Carolina and know well that history.

It was the Southern Democrats who upheld white privilege and Jim Crow segregation south of Mason-Dixon prior to 1948. They eventually took over the Republican Party after Truman told them the big No More at the '48 convention.

The lunatics of today's Republican Party Cult are far more vicious and hateful than even those of my grandfather's day. They believe we are breathing their air and have no right to do so: God told them so.

BTW the military then was quite political: That's one reason why Harry Truman chose to intervene there. The politics of the day and during the war were officially different. The patriotic propaganda of the day ensured that race was not much publicly discussed: but there were race riots and near mutinies due to racist practices within the armed forces and among the war production plants throughout the war and after it.

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Response to Ford_Prefect (Reply #19)

Tue Mar 5, 2019, 10:14 PM

20. You are so right about the hidden racial strife during WWII.

Have you read about the black sailors loading ships in California and what happened to them?

The segregationist were very concerned about black soldiers coming back from the war insisting on their rights. It happened after WWI but the racist policies of the progressive Woodrow Wilson and lots of Lynchings kept it tamped down. This is so little known. The US would not let white men fight in French or British divisions, insisting they have Americans leading them. But weíre happy to have the black soldiers fight with the allies. And for the first time Black American men had whites men treating them, well, like men. This was a threat to the racial oppression in the South.

They tried the same after WWII and ultimately it failed and the movement aided by black veterans lead to the civil rights act.

US history, centered in the South, from the end of reconstruction till the civil rights movement is by far the ugliest time in American history. Way worse than the civil war. Itís not surprising schools donít teach it. Blacks had achieved almost full civil rights. Whites terrorized them out of it.

My dad left the rural south because he could not stand the oppression even though he was a middle class white man and I was made to learn the full history.

I truly thought it was behind us as a young man. But now know better.






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Response to lapucelle (Original post)

Wed Mar 6, 2019, 10:49 AM

27. KR

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Response to lapucelle (Original post)

Wed Mar 6, 2019, 10:57 AM

28. FDR was a free trader

 

He would not be too fond of Bernie and Liz.

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