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Stare Decisis

(229 posts)
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 05:13 PM Mar 2019

Omar Has Opinions. Get Used To It.

I don't care what the media has to say. I read these quotes. I am not in agreement. So what? Omar didn't sign some pledge that requires her to think like me. I think she is misinformed to a degree, but that does not make me more important. I am proud of my association with the Obama era. I believe there are more than a few things she is off base about.

That is disagreement. That's it. The way the press would is presenting it is something akin to a disciple spitting on their religious savior. That is spin. Spin is poison to a free country. Now disagreement? That is something we used to use as an ingredient for self-governance.

I don't know what goes on obviously, and I am not saying Barack is or was perfect, but this freshman rep is not likely to have any understanding of the inner workings or agendas of the Chiefs. But this I believe-Barack Obama did not lie with a straight face to enter us into an unwinnable war with no foreseeable conclusion and endless sacrifice, or completely destabilize the region by handing Syria to Russia.

So on this continuum of rage, the letters W and DJT should in this case, precede B and O. That said we do need to have a real conversation about a recalibration of our military approach and a reassessment of this commitment to manifest destiny the USA seems to be addicted to. Understand this-that is something that one could hypothetically express to someone over a friendly lunch. No rage. Just points of view.

I don't in any way shape or form take kindly to comparing Trump and Barack. That is the reality. There is a way of responding to that without giving an appearance of disarray however.

We must stay focused and I must say the media is making a concerted effort to divide us, and it seems only us.

In an world where people of color and the LGBT community is no longer low hanging fruit for the right wing, we can count on them to use Islam as a cudgel. Like another DU member said, (apologies for not remembering it is on a now blocked post) it will always be something, don't you see? If it isn't real, they will just make something up, some TV corporoslut will point out something AOC said, or Omar, or dredge up Lewisnsky and look at the camera to tell you with a straight fucking face that multiple felonies and an indiscreet sexual favor are "both sides behaving badly."

Cutting healthcare for millions while complaining about Amazon's lack of tax burden is "both sides being out of touch."

That in mind, whether we love Omar, or AOC, or not, is also not relevant. What is is that we are remember what the media is and that whores are gonna whore. So us constantly bickering over these freshmen is nothing more than than driving up on the political street corner and asking how much.

We have been fucked enough already-we don't need to do it to ourselves.

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Omar Has Opinions. Get Used To It. (Original Post) Stare Decisis Mar 2019 OP
That's the power of the internet outrage machine training jberryhill Mar 2019 #1
I don't have to agree with her, but i want to hear what she has to say. I want to see how she votes allgood33 Mar 2019 #2
Obama should not get a pass wellst0nev0ter Mar 2019 #109
Yes. i adore Obama and Carter. Both were the most decent men to occupy the WH in my lifetime. allgood33 Mar 2019 #112
Love Omar... criticizing women with strong opinions is nothing new. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2019 #3
When she compares Pres Obama to leftynyc Mar 2019 #15
Some folks are cool with that, apparently. BannonsLiver Mar 2019 #19
how is that not a strong opinion. bc she hates war....? Kurt V. Mar 2019 #66
It wasn't a strong opinion, it was a moronic one. John Fante Mar 2019 #107
to no avail is only your (and many tweeters) opinion. that doesn't make it fact. Kurt V. Mar 2019 #108
She has backers? Whoopity doo. So does Jill Stein. John Fante Mar 2019 #110
I know right Lotusflower70 Mar 2019 #102
Good chrst! Are you kidding. Women can't be criticized malachi Mar 2019 #54
excellent observation still_one Mar 2019 #76
Agree 100% Lotusflower70 Mar 2019 #103
I agree ZeroSomeBrains Mar 2019 #63
The cult of personality developing around Obama on here is, frankly, alarming. WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2019 #4
I don't think the country moves forward Stare Decisis Mar 2019 #6
Very well said. WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2019 #9
Spot on. Scruffy1 Mar 2019 #60
Agreed. PatrickforO Mar 2019 #85
not agreeing with the idea of him as a polished Trump treestar Mar 2019 #7
She didn't say he was a polished Trump melman Mar 2019 #10
Among other things, she said Obama had the same policies but they were more polished. Plus... George II Mar 2019 #24
"Spin it any way you want. " melman Mar 2019 #30
Yes, spin it any way you want. George II Mar 2019 #32
I'm not spinning anything melman Mar 2019 #33
Rep. Omar says Obama was a more polished version of Trump, and suggests -- incorrectly -- that Obama j Cha Mar 2019 #37
Children were NEVER jailed nor was there "caging of children". George II Mar 2019 #44
It's a travesty.. Omar owes Pres Obama a huge apology. Cha Mar 2019 #48
That's probably not going to happen. i was never ok with Obama's Kurt V. Mar 2019 #59
I understand that and neither was I, but Cha Mar 2019 #87
This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Mar 2019 #61
Makes you wonder whose side is she on. brush Mar 2019 #65
Now you're just insulting members who Cha Mar 2019 #35
I would say the same thing about the cult of personality developing around Omar. onenote Mar 2019 #43
This, too, was said last primary uponit7771 Mar 2019 #67
What cult of personality? N/T lapucelle Mar 2019 #73
hmmm, The cult of personality developing around Omar on her is, frankly, alarming still_one Mar 2019 #77
So you also believe he's just a well-dressed version of Trump? John Fante Mar 2019 #111
She's not doing herself or the party any favors FrankBooth Mar 2019 #5
Anything can be fodder. Stare Decisis Mar 2019 #8
Respectfully disagree. FrankBooth Mar 2019 #11
+1. Welcome to DU. Well put. mahina Mar 2019 #21
The GOP even used the color of Obama's suit as fodder, they should never be taken serious yaesu Mar 2019 #51
That's what I think. She is not ready for prime time. marylandblue Mar 2019 #12
the dem brass throws people under the bus all the fucking time 47of74 Mar 2019 #82
Bullshit! There not afraid of what Republicans will say. GulfCoast66 Mar 2019 #88
And if she keeps this up, someone may start to primary her a year from now. Get used to it. n/t pnwmom Mar 2019 #13
Yes, she has opinions. stewrat Mar 2019 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author ChubbyStar Mar 2019 #20
Do we need more of this: dalton99a Mar 2019 #16
Thanks for this, dalton.. I am PISSED! Cha Mar 2019 #38
I refuse to be a human pinball for the right's use to divide us. mahina Mar 2019 #17
Did they right force her to say incredibly dumb shit? malachi Mar 2019 #57
Really! Lying about Pres Obama has nothing to do with Cha Mar 2019 #106
Yeah, if her opinion is... Adrahil Mar 2019 #18
Get used to the pushback. BannonsLiver Mar 2019 #22
Post removed Post removed Mar 2019 #23
Did you take a poll? tonedevil Mar 2019 #25
Did you? kcr Mar 2019 #26
I didn't try to speak for most of DU. /nt tonedevil Mar 2019 #27
But you're ok with the OP, who did. kcr Mar 2019 #28
I don't see where the OP... tonedevil Mar 2019 #31
I'm fine with her. apcalc Mar 2019 #29
Too late, unfortunately. theaocp Mar 2019 #34
Post removed Post removed Mar 2019 #36
Indeed. See post 39 kcr Mar 2019 #40
I wonder how some who seemed to love her "opinion" so much will like this one? kcr Mar 2019 #39
Thank you for posting this. mjvpi Mar 2019 #64
The tweet was scrubbed... what did it say? JudyM Mar 2019 #90
Omar Coming! IronLionZion Mar 2019 #41
Many missed my point. Stare Decisis Mar 2019 #42
I'm not asking her bow down to factions or crater to any media onenote Mar 2019 #45
You're not going to tell us what to do or think kcr Mar 2019 #46
If her opinions are anti semetic get used to kelly1mm Mar 2019 #47
I will never "get used to" ANYONE saying that Obama was "get(ing) away with murder"! George II Mar 2019 #49
I hope she doesn't tarnish the Democratic party. NurseJackie Mar 2019 #50
She needs to get it together keepFocused06 Mar 2019 #52
Are you Jewish? JudyM Mar 2019 #92
no keepFocused06 Mar 2019 #95
This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Mar 2019 #98
Same reason a white person opining about whether something is racist matters. Or a guy about sexism. JudyM Mar 2019 #100
This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Mar 2019 #101
Mouth in forward brain in nuetral? oldlibdem Mar 2019 #53
I stand with Barack Obama. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2019 #55
Why'd she run as a Democrat and then proceed to bash Dems? brush Mar 2019 #56
I have to censor myself from saying worse. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2019 #58
I know. She needs to study the history of what forces... brush Mar 2019 #75
Circular firing squad. I get so fucking sick of it Ferrets are Cool Mar 2019 #62
She shouldn't have called President Obama an empty suit. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2019 #68
She has the right to say whatever the FUCK she wants to say Ferrets are Cool Mar 2019 #80
She shouldn't have suggested President Obama is an empty suit. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2019 #81
I agree with you, BUT Ferrets are Cool Mar 2019 #83
My friend... DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2019 #84
Totally agree. We have to protect the right to different opinions. LAS14 Mar 2019 #97
Her takedown of Elliot Abrams was brilliant. mjvpi Mar 2019 #69
I don't have to "get used to her". I don't like her, and I don't care for her divisive rhetoric, still_one Mar 2019 #70
Some Democrats disagree with and are even offended by her opinions. Get used to it. N/T lapucelle Mar 2019 #71
So do the rest of us. Hassler Mar 2019 #72
My thoughts Meowmee Mar 2019 #74
+1 BannonsLiver Mar 2019 #79
Hillary Clinton won her district by fifty five points. Let that sink in. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2019 #86
+1. She has a history of expressing antisemitic sentiments that she has been enlightened about JudyM Mar 2019 #94
+1 nt Meowmee Mar 2019 #113
The reckoning has begun. empedocles Mar 2019 #78
We have "Opinions" about her opinions.. Get Use To It. Cha Mar 2019 #89
I have opinions also so get use to it..... Little Star Mar 2019 #91
She needs to learn the lessons of today. MicaelS Mar 2019 #93
If you are simplistic enough... LAS14 Mar 2019 #96
Identity politics demands loyalty to your identity group. jalan48 Mar 2019 #99
Get used to the fact that not every Democrat is on board with her. Her opinions can be criticized RelativelyJones Mar 2019 #104
Omar Deleted her "Opinion" Tweet. Cha Mar 2019 #105
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
1. That's the power of the internet outrage machine training
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 05:19 PM
Mar 2019

If DU was, collectively, a person, it would be a person with borderline personality disorder.

You are my best friend or my worst enemy.

Anything, anything at all, is either wonderful or horrible.

If your opinion differs from my opinion it is because you are dishonest, a paid troll, or simply morally bankrupt.

It can't be that many things are a mixed bag or complex. You must totally agree or totally disagree with whatever is the current mood.

This seems to have picked up in the last couple of weeks, more so than depressingly usual.
 

allgood33

(1,584 posts)
2. I don't have to agree with her, but i want to hear what she has to say. I want to see how she votes
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 05:20 PM
Mar 2019

on legislation. If 35% of the voting population can support a scumbag like Trump...

What she said about Obama and drones and immigration is not untrue. I was disappointed in him for those actions too. But no one should ever equate Obama to Trump. Omar is not familiar with the cultural innuendo of our language so I give her the benefit of the doubt. I adore Obama but not all of his war actions. I adored Bill clinton too bu really did not agree with some of his policies with respect to welfare and crime. No one is going to be perfect in the job of President. But no one but Trump is a scumbag as President.

Speak your truth Omar...and we will speak ours.

 

wellst0nev0ter

(7,509 posts)
109. Obama should not get a pass
Sat Mar 9, 2019, 09:55 PM
Mar 2019

for cruel policies just because Trump is worse. That is what she is saying.

 

allgood33

(1,584 posts)
112. Yes. i adore Obama and Carter. Both were the most decent men to occupy the WH in my lifetime.
Sat Mar 9, 2019, 10:31 PM
Mar 2019

Both made mistakes. Both carried out some action with which I did not agree. They were not perfect, nor should we pretend that they were. I only get angry when others lie about them, not when they are criticized...no matter the language.dkkkdk

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,346 posts)
3. Love Omar... criticizing women with strong opinions is nothing new.
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 05:22 PM
Mar 2019

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
15. When she compares Pres Obama to
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 05:54 PM
Mar 2019

degenerate donnie and calls Pres Obama a pretty face, she deserves whatever blow back she gets. That's not a strong opinion. That's bullshit

John Fante

(3,479 posts)
107. It wasn't a strong opinion, it was a moronic one.
Sat Mar 9, 2019, 07:37 PM
Mar 2019

One she tried to backpedal from on Twitter, to no avail.

Kurt V.

(5,624 posts)
108. to no avail is only your (and many tweeters) opinion. that doesn't make it fact.
Sat Mar 9, 2019, 08:20 PM
Mar 2019

She has many backers for many reasons.

John Fante

(3,479 posts)
110. She has backers? Whoopity doo. So does Jill Stein.
Sat Mar 9, 2019, 09:59 PM
Mar 2019

Trumpism must be destroyed in 2020, simple as that. The last fucking thing we need is this bothsideism shit from our own representatives. Equating Obama to Trump is appalling on countless levels.

I will gladly donate to the Democrat who primaries her.

malachi

(732 posts)
54. Good chrst! Are you kidding. Women can't be criticized
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 07:57 PM
Mar 2019

when they say some really offensive shit. Give me a break.

Lotusflower70

(3,077 posts)
103. Agree 100%
Sat Mar 9, 2019, 06:10 PM
Mar 2019

I call bullshit on this one. She is wrong. Hopefully she gets a clue and learns from it. As a woman, I will critique women as well as men in politics. I am not talking about looks, age, what she wears, etc but I am talking about the issues.

ZeroSomeBrains

(638 posts)
63. I agree
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 08:10 PM
Mar 2019

I didn't see anything she said as offensive. I think it's anti-semetic that people think all Jewish Americans are unanimous in their disagreement with what she said. It's the only group that people are allowed to make a blanket statement about when some faction within the Jewish community speak their mind. Strong islamic women who speak out against what Israel is doing are rare especially in Congress.

 

Stare Decisis

(229 posts)
6. I don't think the country moves forward
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 05:31 PM
Mar 2019

unless we can honestly assess ourselves and our leaders. Barack Obama is not perfect. He honestly was not even very liberal. He governed with a cautious approach however it suited us at that time. But it can't be all or nothing. We can't find perfect or even close, so at the least we must be able to come up with respectable. On that count, there is no comparison between Trump and Barack.

As far as the cult of personality, that always existed with his followers. There is a nostalgia for that era so that will exacerbate it.

This is my concern with Beto-there has to be a logical reason to support him, policy wise, he is basically Obama. Yes charisma is awesome, but we need the Overton window shifted. Yesterday.

Scruffy1

(3,326 posts)
60. Spot on.
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 08:08 PM
Mar 2019

IMHO he is a very good man, with limitations like everyone else. We'll never know what could have been done if the Obama Care roll out disaster hadn't happened. It was a fiasco but not really as much his fault as critters like Baucus with enlarged ego syndrome.They should have studied their history better and learn to strike quick before the enemy could organize. I am old enough to know how Civil rights and Medicare were passed. That led to the electoral debacle of 2010. with a Republican controlled legislature he was handcuffed.
We really need to be honest about ourselves and look at our failures to learn from them. I have no problems with Ilhan and many in her district agree with her comments. I live here and have quite a few Somali, Palestinian and Jewish friends. None of them has any problems with her comments. The African American population is on her side Ill wager forty acres of black bottom land she will get reelected.

PatrickforO

(14,688 posts)
85. Agreed.
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 09:44 PM
Mar 2019

Trump can't hold a candle to Obama. But Obama was not perfect. Definitely a bit to my right. Yet, he was who was needed. The country was sliding to an economic abyss and we needed some good old-fashioned Keynesian economics to get us out of it. That's what we got, along with the ACA.

Now, I think Obama was the best president in my lifetime (I'm 60) by virtue of the scope and magnitude of his accomplishments.

How old is Omar, maybe 20-something? She's in a whole different generation, a generation that has never enjoyed the opportunity we boomers had. 44 million people are slaves to student debt. These kids can barely afford a car and an apartment. There's nothing, nothing good - they had their friends blown away in the forever war, they have been exploited every which way but loose, and they have seen old white greed-heads pollute this world until it is almost too late to ensure its continued habitability.

Omar's comments remind me of the old movie Cross of Iron, with James Coburn as Rolf Steiner. They are on the Russian front. It is 1943, the beginning of the end as the Germans were forced to retreat across the Taman Peninsula towards the Crimea, which was itself in the process of being surrounded.

Rolf leads a rag-tag platoon and he's in the Colonel's dugout. The Colonel tells him, "I'm getting tired of getting you out of trouble with other officers," and Steiner replies, "I never asked you to."

This infuriates the Colonel, who tells Steiner to 'get out!'

On the way out, the adjutant asks Steiner why he is so ungrateful, and Steiner looked at him unbelievingly and replied, "WHAT do I have to be grateful FOR?"

Same thing with Omar and the whole Millennial generation. As I say, they have been screwed every which way but loose in this capitalist utopia of ours.

So, just a warning, I guess - when these kids get their voice, and they ARE getting their voice, we shouldn't insist on liking what they have to say, because we've left them a world that is much worse, less forgiving and more tilted against them than the one we found.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
7. not agreeing with the idea of him as a polished Trump
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 05:34 PM
Mar 2019

is hardly a cult of personality, let alone an alarming one.

 

melman

(7,681 posts)
10. She didn't say he was a polished Trump
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 05:40 PM
Mar 2019

That's the other thing that always happens here. Things get distorted into the worst possible version for max. outrage.

George II

(67,782 posts)
24. Among other things, she said Obama had the same policies but they were more polished. Plus...
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 06:13 PM
Mar 2019

She said, in reference to Obama, she doesn't "want anybody to get away with murder because they are polished."
She spoke of Obama's "caging of kids" at the border.
She spoke of the "hope and change" offered by Obama being a mirage.

Spin it any way you want.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D1Ir0X-WkAA963I?format=jpg

 

melman

(7,681 posts)
30. "Spin it any way you want. "
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 06:19 PM
Mar 2019

Accuracy isn't spinning. Nowhere does she say the words "Obama was a polished Trump"

Cha

(300,458 posts)
37. Rep. Omar says Obama was a more polished version of Trump, and suggests -- incorrectly -- that Obama j
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 06:50 PM
Mar 2019


"They only seperated families when it was determined that the children would be in danger in prison, and the parent couldn't be released due to criminal charges. They always placed children either with relatives or sponsors who were thouroughly vetted."

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11901011


What "media" does she consume?

George II

(67,782 posts)
44. Children were NEVER jailed nor was there "caging of children".
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 07:07 PM
Mar 2019

Comparing one of the best presidents in our lifetimes with the worst in our history is uncalled for. Period!

Cha

(300,458 posts)
87. I understand that and neither was I, but
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 09:58 PM
Mar 2019

Omar is not being truthful here.. and she owes President Obama an apology.



"They only seperated families when it was determined that the children would be in danger in prison, and the parent couldn't be released due to criminal charges. They always placed children either with relatives or sponsors who were thouroughly vetted."

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11901011

Response to George II (Reply #32)

brush

(55,179 posts)
65. Makes you wonder whose side is she on.
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 08:13 PM
Mar 2019

She's got a lot to learn. Attack repugs not Democrats. How fucking hard is that? She gained a high profile platform but if she keeps this up attacking and alienating those on her side, she won't last long to do what her voters sent her to DC to do.

Cha

(300,458 posts)
35. Now you're just insulting members who
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 06:44 PM
Mar 2019

object to her trying to smear President Obama with the maniac trump.



"They only seperated families when it was determined that the children would be in danger in prison, and the parent couldn't be released due to criminal charges. They always placed children either with relatives or sponsors who were thouroughly vetted."

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11901011




onenote

(43,404 posts)
43. I would say the same thing about the cult of personality developing around Omar.
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 07:03 PM
Mar 2019

Obama put up with a lot of bullshit from Republicans, in case you don't remember. I for one don't need to see bullshit from Democrats aimed at him (such as denigrating him as a pretty face version of Trump.

If someone can't comprehend the fundamental difference between Barack Obama and Donald Trump, that person has no business being a Democratic member of Congress.

That being said, she's inexperienced and, to some degree, unprepared for the attention that she is getting. So I'll keep my fingers crossed and hope she figures out that she doesn't have to say everything that comes into her head -- and that she'll be a more effective politician, building alliances, working as part of a team, once she learns that.

FrankBooth

(1,652 posts)
5. She's not doing herself or the party any favors
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 05:26 PM
Mar 2019

hey, she's a 37 year old woman, not a child.  She is entitled to her opinions, and the Dem brass is entitled to judge if her methods of opining are worthy of party support.  So far I think she's been reckless and immature, and I hope she can turn it around. Offering up fodder for the GOP is not smart and shouldn't be tolerated by party brass IMHO.

 

Stare Decisis

(229 posts)
8. Anything can be fodder.
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 05:36 PM
Mar 2019

Dijon mustard can be fodder. We probably need to adopt their "So what?" approach. I remember once I broke a window playing ball. I was so upset. The neighbor was cool-he said mow his lawn a few times, call it even. But I was apoplectic. In fact I was so ashamed I quit baseball. I was more worried about it than anybody. So I didn't play. The guy whose window I broke was chill-my point is we tie ourselves up worrying about how "they" will respond. And so we treat a political broken window like somehow politically "torching" the place.

And quit playing. And they win.

yaesu

(8,020 posts)
51. The GOP even used the color of Obama's suit as fodder, they should never be taken serious
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 07:32 PM
Mar 2019

and their warped opinions never count.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
12. That's what I think. She is not ready for prime time.
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 05:43 PM
Mar 2019

Of course a Muslim woman is going to have a target on her back. She needs to learn how to protect herself and deal with it. AOC also has a target on her back but she is much better at handling it. She should give Omar some pointers.

 

47of74

(18,470 posts)
82. the dem brass throws people under the bus all the fucking time
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 09:28 PM
Mar 2019

They're so goddamn afraid of what the GOP will say they betray the members

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
88. Bullshit! There not afraid of what Republicans will say.
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 10:58 PM
Mar 2019

They are rightly concerned about how the majority of voters will respond. That’s their only concern.

stewrat

(50 posts)
14. Yes, she has opinions.
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 05:51 PM
Mar 2019

I voted for Omar. But I don't remember her sharing these opinions when she was running for office. Maybe I just wasn't paying attention. But I am now. I've always ben sorry that Ellison ran for the SOS instead of staying put.

Response to stewrat (Reply #14)

Cha

(300,458 posts)
38. Thanks for this, dalton.. I am PISSED!
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 06:54 PM
Mar 2019



"They only seperated families when it was determined that the children would be in danger in prison, and the parent couldn't be released due to criminal charges. They always placed children either with relatives or sponsors who were thouroughly vetted."

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11901011


Cha

(300,458 posts)
106. Really! Lying about Pres Obama has nothing to do with
Sat Mar 9, 2019, 07:32 PM
Mar 2019

the fascist wing.. except their lapping it up.

Omar deleted her "dumb shit opinion".. That's what she thought of it.


 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
18. Yeah, if her opinion is...
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 05:59 PM
Mar 2019

.... that Obama got away with murder, she can GTFO.

Disagreeing about policy is one thing. Accusing him of murder, however, is beyond the pale.

BannonsLiver

(16,889 posts)
22. Get used to the pushback.
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 06:02 PM
Mar 2019

She’s not above criticism either. And she’s about to get a boatload of it. And it’s well deserved, too.

Response to Stare Decisis (Original post)

kcr

(15,399 posts)
26. Did you?
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 06:15 PM
Mar 2019

I've been on DU long enough to know this place usually doesn't march lock step to any one DUer telling it what to do.

 

tonedevil

(3,022 posts)
31. I don't see where the OP...
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 06:21 PM
Mar 2019

is claiming to speak for anyone except themselves. In your post, #23, you said Most of DU doesn't care what you think. Get used to it. I merely wanted to know the basis for you being spokesperson for most of DU.

apcalc

(4,466 posts)
29. I'm fine with her.
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 06:19 PM
Mar 2019

I don't agree with all she said, nor do I agree with all Obama nor any candidate says. Big deal.
The media works to divide us. DON"T FALL FOR IT.

Response to theaocp (Reply #34)

kcr

(15,399 posts)
39. I wonder how some who seemed to love her "opinion" so much will like this one?
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 06:55 PM
Mar 2019

Going to make it hard to get used to


onenote

(43,404 posts)
45. I'm not asking her bow down to factions or crater to any media
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 07:08 PM
Mar 2019

I'm simply hoping she wises up and figures out that making outlandish headline grabbing statements (and if she didn't know that's what she was doing she would be hopeless naïve and I don't think she is) she undermines her effectiveness. Being the outspoken renegade may get her attention, but it isn't going to make people want to work with her.

kcr

(15,399 posts)
46. You're not going to tell us what to do or think
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 07:13 PM
Mar 2019

But feel free to tell us we're DEMOCRATING WRONG!

But what do you make of this? Which opinion is it? I want to be sure I'm DEMOCRATING THE RIGHT WAY!


kelly1mm

(4,953 posts)
47. If her opinions are anti semetic get used to
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 07:22 PM
Mar 2019

Her going criticized for them. Same if she attacks other Democrats.

 

keepFocused06

(28 posts)
52. She needs to get it together
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 07:39 PM
Mar 2019

Im just about sick of her. The anti-semetic accusations were pure bs but she needs to understand that there is only one goal right now. Defeat trump at all cost. Fracturing her own party is not helping. Debates can be had as soon as the troll and his republican enablers are gone.

Response to JudyM (Reply #92)

JudyM

(29,424 posts)
100. Same reason a white person opining about whether something is racist matters. Or a guy about sexism.
Sat Mar 9, 2019, 05:57 PM
Mar 2019

This statement by the poster is, as we now know, “‘splainin”:
The anti-semetic (sic) accusations were pure bs

Response to JudyM (Reply #100)

oldlibdem

(330 posts)
53. Mouth in forward brain in nuetral?
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 07:56 PM
Mar 2019

My advice to her would be to think before she speaks! Unless she's going for the alt-right vote and the last time I checked they do not like people of color nor muslims.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,806 posts)
55. I stand with Barack Obama.
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 08:01 PM
Mar 2019

I hold him in the same reverence as the martyred Kennedy brothers, Abraham Lincoln, and Dr. King and am not ashamed to say so.

brush

(55,179 posts)
56. Why'd she run as a Democrat and then proceed to bash Dems?
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 08:01 PM
Mar 2019

I don't get it. Obama strove mighttly to stay out of wars and did. If she's naive enough to think that no deaths are going to happen in any president's term she needs to go study some history. And the Palestinians, who she advocates for are responsible for deaths to in fightingfor their cause.

She's alenating people who are on her side. She won't last long in Congress doing that.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,806 posts)
58. I have to censor myself from saying worse.
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 08:05 PM
Mar 2019

People of small intellect are totally unaware of the cross pressures Barack Obama labored under. His critics remind me of armchair generals and quarterbacks.

brush

(55,179 posts)
75. I know. She needs to study the history of what forces...
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 08:39 PM
Mar 2019

were arrayed against O from his first day. He stayed out of wars despite repeated calls to send troops here, send troops there. She was right about Abrams but her bashing of O and her less than artful critique of Netanyahu's right wing policy alienated Jewish voters and now she's alienated many African Americans.

Unfortunately she seems to talk first and have to apologize later.

It's not smart to go after your friends and I doubt she's making many in the Dem Black Caucus, those who look like her in Congress.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,806 posts)
68. She shouldn't have called President Obama an empty suit.
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 08:15 PM
Mar 2019

She didn't use those exact words but if what she said was in the form of a SAT question asking what the author of the passage was trying to convey that would be the correct answer.

Ferrets are Cool

(21,230 posts)
80. She has the right to say whatever the FUCK she wants to say
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 09:04 PM
Mar 2019

as long as she votes with the Democrats and votes for ME, I'm NOT going to pick her mind apart. I love President Obama, but he was NOT a perfect president. If anyone can't understand that, then it's their fault. If someone wants to point it out and is STILL a true blue Democrat, I will SUPPORT THEM.
Do what you want.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,806 posts)
81. She shouldn't have suggested President Obama is an empty suit.
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 09:26 PM
Mar 2019

I am truly sorry that upsets you.




https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211902027




I would like to amend my comments:

I hold him in the same reverence as the martyred Kennedy brothers, Abraham Lincoln, Muhammad Ali, and Dr. King and am not ashamed to say so. He was the fundamentally most decent man to ever hold that office.

Ferrets are Cool

(21,230 posts)
83. I agree with you, BUT
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 09:36 PM
Mar 2019

I am unwilling to throw her under the bus. Besides, I thought speaking badly about Democrats was discouraged here.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,806 posts)
84. My friend...
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 09:43 PM
Mar 2019

There was a bit of hyperbole in my effusive praise for President Obama but beside being a great president he was a good guy. Suggesting he's an empty suit is hurtful to those of us who hold him in high regard. Ms. Omar should know how hard it is for a person of color to navigate the white man's world and President Obama was the leader of it. Sadly Ms. Omar is not alone in ignoring that fundamental truth.

mjvpi

(1,476 posts)
69. Her takedown of Elliot Abrams was brilliant.
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 08:19 PM
Mar 2019

What the hell is he doing in politics again? Especially anything to do with South America.

still_one

(93,602 posts)
70. I don't have to "get used to her". I don't like her, and I don't care for her divisive rhetoric,
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 08:30 PM
Mar 2019

but she isn't my representative. She represents those in her district in Minnesota. If they like her they will re-elect her, if they don't they will elect someone else

However, if she wants to engage in attacks on President Obama, and her other colleagues in Congress, inferring allegiance to other countries or dual loyalties, she is NOT going to get a free pass




Meowmee

(5,164 posts)
74. My thoughts
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 08:38 PM
Mar 2019

She is an anti semitic and anti Israel. Now she is attacking Obama with right wing talking points. I hope she is primaried. She is causing damage to dems. I will vote for dems but I won’t supprt them financially if they continue on of the path of defending her and people like her.

BannonsLiver

(16,889 posts)
79. +1
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 08:58 PM
Mar 2019

I’d like to see a primary challenge. She’s revealed herself as someone unready for the big stage.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,806 posts)
86. Hillary Clinton won her district by fifty five points. Let that sink in.
Fri Mar 8, 2019, 09:56 PM
Mar 2019

You or I could win it with all the important (D) after our name.

JudyM

(29,424 posts)
94. +1. She has a history of expressing antisemitic sentiments that she has been enlightened about
Sat Mar 9, 2019, 12:34 PM
Mar 2019

before, yet they continue to spew out of her.

Some don’t have any problem with this... racism against Jews is too subtle for them to see unless there’s physical violence involved. And even then... they find it’s excusable because of Israel.

Little Star

(17,055 posts)
91. I have opinions also so get use to it.....
Sat Mar 9, 2019, 12:19 PM
Mar 2019

I do not like Omar one little bit.

Never in my life has any democrat ever turned me off the way she does. Never. If this is where my party is going then I'm not following.


MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
93. She needs to learn the lessons of today.
Sat Mar 9, 2019, 12:30 PM
Mar 2019

If you make comments that are viewed as bigoted or stupid, you are going to get push-back on it.

LAS14

(13,916 posts)
96. If you are simplistic enough...
Sat Mar 9, 2019, 05:46 PM
Mar 2019

..to think that the use of drones is "murder," (unjustified killing) then you ought to be able to point out that a Democrat (a beloved Democrat) engaged in these policies without being personally attacked. Obama had a policy that she strongly disagrees with. Fine. It doesn't mean she's not a Democrat. Surely we can disagree with one another's policies???

"We can't be only upset with Trump because he's not a politician who sells us his policies in the most perfect way. His policies are bad, but many of the people who came before him also had really bad policies. They just were more polished than he was, and that's not what we should be looking for anymore," Omar added. "We don't want anybody to get away with murder because they are polished, we want to recognize the actual policies that are behind the pretty face and the smile so that we can understand the kind of negative impact, or positive impact they will have on us for generations to come."


https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/week-controversy-rep-ilhan-omar-criticism-president-obama/story?id=61564148

RelativelyJones

(898 posts)
104. Get used to the fact that not every Democrat is on board with her. Her opinions can be criticized
Sat Mar 9, 2019, 06:46 PM
Mar 2019

as much as any public figure.

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