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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsFinally a Rape Prevention Campaign Targeted Towards Men
MyStrength is a project of the California Department of Health Services and the California Coalition Against Sexual Assault (CALCASA), a statewide coalition of rape crisis centers and prevention programs founded in 1980.
Update 1/3/2012 3:50pm EST: The campaign was first launched by Men Can Stop Rape in Washington, DC public high schools in February 2001 but the posters werent released until 2007.
Men Can Stop Rape also has a program called the Men of Strength (MOST) Club, a primary prevention program for male youth in the country, that has provided middle and high school age men with a space to learn about healthy masculinity and translate learning into community leadership.
More:
http://colorlines.com/archives/2012/01/finally_a_rape_prevention_campaign_targeted_towards_men.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A
See also:
Pennsylvania Liquor Control Board Pulls Ad That Blames Women For Getting Date-Raped
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024162
Warpy
(111,222 posts)it's definitely a step in the right direction. The addition of a gay couple is also great since men are also victimized, albeit more rarely than women are.
Tansy_Gold
(17,850 posts)that says, "YOU CAN SAY NO whenever you want."
Too often one partner feels pressured and then feels to blame.
It's okay to say no. You don't have to give a reason. You don't even need a reason. Just say no.
And when the other person says no, ACCEPT IT.
joeglow3
(6,228 posts)He wanted to wait until marriage to have sex. He got plowed at a fraternity party in college and passed out in his study room. He woke up to his date riding him. Apparently, she stripped him, got him hard and hopped on.
I agree that rape is mainly the result of men, but we should be interested in supporting all people and preventing their victimization.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)is identifying a man and a boy. and it is ok, too. it is not an insult to call a boy a .... boy. that being said
i am so thrilled and excited and yea....
thanks for this. gonna go into link and read up.
thank you
REP
(21,691 posts)"Boys will be boys." How many times is that phrase used to excuse all sorts of inexcusable behavior?
"Be a man.". "Man up." "A real mensch." These are phrases used to mean taking responsibility, being honorable, having character.
We can agree/disagree about the rightness/wrongness of these phrases, but they're out there and they do carry that weight.
This campaign is trying to address one facet of our society (and does it well, I think). Trying to change connotations that most people have when they hear 'boys' and 'men' as well is asking too much at once.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)at 2 yrs old.
and not in a good way.
how many girls do we call women. how many women do we call women.
there were three words i had to desensitize myself to. liberal. femininst. woman. now that i am free of the constriction of these words, it is the best. and puts things in place.
you see it as boys will be boys. i see it as manning up our young boys before their time. sucking in the emotions. dont cry like a girl. ect....
they are not men. and should not see themselves as men. and there should be a societal clear line between the two.
imo
i know they did it purposely. we know why they did it. and that says something in itself, that we have to pretend, to be able to address our boys.
it is starting out in a lie, regardless of the well intentions.
and this campaign is about blunt truth, to be heard. and man up and listen.... i say in and not.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)Tansy_Gold
(17,850 posts)After all the years on DU and all the discussions about rape, about how it's not about the victim, etc., etc., etc., this is wonderful to see.
I will be spreading this as far and as wide as I can.
msongs
(67,381 posts)Ian David
(69,059 posts)CrispyQ
(36,437 posts)Going to check their site out.
Brickbat
(19,339 posts)LadyHawkAZ
(6,199 posts)When I posted it, one of the men on my friends list racked up 4 or 5 posts attacking the idea that a) sex with a drunk woman is rape and b) sex with a drunk WIFE is rape and c) pressuring a woman, drunk or otherwise, until she caves in is rape, until I spotted it and gave him the boot.
One of the orgs on my list posted it after me and the first comment was from a man complaining that it put all the blame on men for rape and was sexist; after all, a campaign aimed at 99% of rapists is obviously sexist for not including that 1%.
Can't WAIT to see what happens next.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)LadyHawkAZ
(6,199 posts)when posters pop up telling women how they shouldn't dress or where they shouldn't walk etc. Funny how it becomes sexist when it targets rapists rather than victims.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Ian David
(69,059 posts)If for no other reason than to silence morons who have a problem with a campaign telling men not to rape women.
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)out again
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)A couple of weeks ago my wife and I both had a few beers, then made love. She was definitely over the legal limit for driving. Does this fall under your (b) "sex with a drunk wife is rape"?
Might I suggest that what you meant to say (and with which I would agree) is that "sex with a very drunk, or drugged, unconscious or semi-conscious woman, who is clearly in no position to give consent, is rape"? If you are going to maintain that having sex with a woman whose BAC exceeds 0.08 (the legal definition of "drunk" in most states) you will lose the support of many DUers.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)"sex with a very drunk, or drugged, unconscious or semi-conscious woman, who is clearly in no position to give consent, is rape"?
will then have a guy that say, so i raped my wife? last week my wife was very very drunk and we.......
a PERSON knows when they are abusing, taking advantage, using another. it is that simple.
it is not a mystery. we feel it within. we know when we cross the line
LadyHawkAZ
(6,199 posts)there is a clear difference between a couple having a few drinks and following it up with sex (fun for everyone, whee!), and one person being semiconscious or unconscious altogether, or saying no and being too drunk to enforce it (fun for only one person, boo).
You get the difference. Compare your judgement to this quote left on my page by the guy I kicked:
"But she was drunk, but we were married so I knew she not only wouldn't mind, she preferred it because she's so up tight sober, so we did it and nothing bad happened during or after."
I was married to a guy who no doubt still thinks pinning me to the bed by my throat was "persuasion". That kind of comment, where the man claims to know better than the woman what it is she wants, raises a HUGE red flag.
one_voice
(20,043 posts)glad to see it happening.
Spazito
(50,232 posts)I really like the way the message is communicated and the compilation of situations it reflects.
Thanks for posting this.
Recommended.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)Kats said one underlying problem is that college campuses tend to focus on the prevention of rape and sexual violence. "But the term prevention in not really prevention; rather, it's risk reduction," Katz said. "These programs focus on how women can reduce their chances of being sexually assaulted. I agree that women benefit from these education programs, but let us not mistake this for prevention."
"If a woman has done everything in her power to reduce her risk, then a man who has the proclivity for abuse or need for power will just move on to another woman or target," Katz added. "It's about the guy and his need to assert his power. And it's not just individual men, it's a cultural problem. Our culture is producing violent men, and violence against women has become institutionalized. We need to take a step back and examine the institutionalized polices drafted by men that perpetuate the problem."
It's a wonderful read.
Thanks for posting this!
ProfessionalLeftist
(4,982 posts)is a must-read for men. (IMO)
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)Thank you so much for posting
joshcryer
(62,269 posts)...with the very disgusting pics of the ladies.
Texas Lawyer
(350 posts)Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)getdown
(525 posts)in the un-stupid nation of Scotland!! lol
PhoenixAbove
(166 posts)icymist
(15,888 posts)I hope to see more of this. I see nothing wrong with these. The men still look 'manly' while they are abiding to their partner's wishes. I think these are good.
raccoon
(31,106 posts)BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)I remember about 5 years ago, heard a PSA on AirAmerica. It was encouraging parents (Dads) to talk to their sons--about remembering that women/girls are people, to treat women and girls as they'd want to be treated, not to harm women/girls...that the messages/images they see about women/girls are false...
I nearly drove into a ditch, I was so surprised. That's sad, isn't it?
What's sadder is that i only heard that PSA once. Maaaaaaybe twice.....and then it disappeared.
Nothing similar took its place.
I hope THIS message continues.
getdown
(525 posts)it has to be SPELLED OUT in big ol LETTRS? DUMB AS A ROCK?
ho boy
lets continue, by building healthy concepts about appropriate use of their power into children even younger, eh?
shit
MineralMan
(146,281 posts)I don't remember ever having a problem stopping when she said stop. If she wasn't into it, I wasn't either. It's no fun if both parties aren't eager participants, if you ask me.