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Sun Mar 17, 2019, 05:00 AM

It's disgusting how people are just freely admitting they watched 'the video'

I'm seeing this on Twitter and other places. There's a veritable laundry list of what's wrong with this and I don't feel like going into detail, but I'll give the rundown. And if you just clicked a link and saw a few seconds, this is not directed at you, but if you or anyone else saw what was going on, realized what was happening, and didn't decide to click that X button on the top right of your screen, then it definitely is...

These people are/were real people, not actors, not a video game or a show. A video of real people being wounded and murdered. All unarmed; men, women, the elderly, and children.

They didn't consent to being put on the Internet, much less being murdered. This is a gross violation of their rights on top of what already happened.

There are families and friends of the victims and these horrifying images are the last they see of them on this Earth, they didn't get to choose how they spend their dying moments, they didn't get the intimacy that one should get to have with that. The shooter wasn't alone in denying them that intimacy, anyone who realized what was going on in that video and decided to keep watching anyway also denied them that intimacy.

In my opinion, this video is on the same level as child pornography. Plain and simple.

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Reply It's disgusting how people are just freely admitting they watched 'the video' (Original post)
ck4829 Mar 2019 OP
nitpicker Mar 2019 #1
ck4829 Mar 2019 #3
Iggo Mar 2019 #2
ck4829 Mar 2019 #4
localroger Mar 2019 #35
Hekate Mar 2019 #41
Mariana Mar 2019 #42
Blue_true Mar 2019 #53
Post removed Mar 2019 #5
ck4829 Mar 2019 #6
pintobean Mar 2019 #7
ck4829 Mar 2019 #10
nitpicker Mar 2019 #8
LuvNewcastle Mar 2019 #9
SammyWinstonJack Mar 2019 #11
Raster Mar 2019 #12
CTAtheist Mar 2019 #13
ck4829 Mar 2019 #14
CTAtheist Mar 2019 #15
ck4829 Mar 2019 #16
CTAtheist Mar 2019 #17
ck4829 Mar 2019 #20
CTAtheist Mar 2019 #21
ck4829 Mar 2019 #23
CTAtheist Mar 2019 #27
ck4829 Mar 2019 #29
Rainbow Droid Mar 2019 #33
ck4829 Mar 2019 #34
UpInArms Mar 2019 #25
Dave Starsky Mar 2019 #36
SQUEE Mar 2019 #37
ck4829 Mar 2019 #38
SQUEE Mar 2019 #45
ck4829 Mar 2019 #56
cwydro Mar 2019 #40
ck4829 Mar 2019 #39
Chin music Mar 2019 #18
exboyfil Mar 2019 #19
ck4829 Mar 2019 #22
redstatebluegirl Mar 2019 #24
malaise Mar 2019 #26
dewsgirl Mar 2019 #28
stonecutter357 Mar 2019 #30
Tipperary Mar 2019 #31
ck4829 Mar 2019 #32
flotsam Mar 2019 #43
Turin_C3PO Mar 2019 #44
backscatter712 Mar 2019 #46
dumbcat Mar 2019 #47
canetoad Mar 2019 #48
Cold War Spook Mar 2019 #49
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Response to ck4829 (Original post)

Sun Mar 17, 2019, 05:13 AM

1. +1

But to be fair, there are those that watched what the MSM aired on the Friday morning news shows ("whatever bleeds leads" ) and couldn't/wouldn't tear their eyes away.

And Sky Australia was reported to have aired snuff segments, so Sky New Zealand took SA off its platform.

I agree that those who sought out the snuff segments are not quite normal.

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Response to nitpicker (Reply #1)

Sun Mar 17, 2019, 05:20 AM

3. At this point though...

Any government resources dedicated to battling child porn or threats on the internet should also have an office specifically for this video (And hopefully just that video... no copycats).

If someone saw that video, even innocently (And I know many did), they still need to get help. They should talk to a therapist.

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Response to ck4829 (Original post)

Sun Mar 17, 2019, 05:15 AM

2. Just say no to death porn. (n/t)

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Response to Iggo (Reply #2)

Sun Mar 17, 2019, 05:35 AM

4. Thank you, and I add it's not censorship to have this video be made illegal

This isn't a whistleblower video revealing corrupt practices, The Hunger Games, the Communist Manifesto, Mein Kampf, or Harry Potter. This video was produced with real human blood and tears.

Terrorist propaganda issues aside as in anyone who spreads this video is spreading terrorist propaganda.

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Response to ck4829 (Reply #4)

Sun Mar 17, 2019, 09:58 AM

35. Can we avoid the Newspeak please?

Making a video illegal is the very definition of censorship. That doesn't mean making the video illegal is bad or even unconstitutional; we already have exceptions to the First Amendment for things like kiddie porn and military secrets. Those laws are censorship. Some of them exist for good reason. Some of them exist to protect lies. The problem with censorship is we're not always sure which, and the fact that some censorship is nominally good does not erase that problem.

FWIW I have neither sought out nor seen the Christchurch video. But when Facebook is having to remove a thing 1.5 million times to keep it hidden, maybe keeping it hidden is not a reasonable goal.

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Response to localroger (Reply #35)

Sun Mar 17, 2019, 03:21 PM

41. It's not Newspeak.

In my opinion you are wrong about the rest.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #41)

Sun Mar 17, 2019, 03:58 PM

42. The word censorship means what it means.

Just because you approve of censorship in some instances doesn't magically make it into something else.

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Response to ck4829 (Reply #4)

Sun Mar 17, 2019, 07:17 PM

53. I don't know.

We live in a country where 63 million people voted for a man who openly said that he was going to ban people because of their religion. We have an infestation, banning one video won't solve that problem.

The Republican Party and other rightwing parties worldwide have tiptoed up to the abyss. We all heard the denounciations of Muslims in communities across America long before the perversion that is Donald Trump decided to run for office, the Republican Party winked at that foolishness and hatred. Now we are where we are, the only question is what happens now.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #5)

Sun Mar 17, 2019, 05:56 AM

6. "Virtue signaling"? 2016 called, it wants that lame right wing smear back.

And I differentiated between curiosity and people who realized what was happening and decided to keep watching anyway.

I'm going to keep the comparison, thanks for the input... going into the circular file cabinet.

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Response to ck4829 (Reply #6)

Sun Mar 17, 2019, 06:08 AM

7. It's not a left/right issue

 

and it's no smear. It's judging you much less severely than you're judging others.

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Response to pintobean (Reply #7)

Sun Mar 17, 2019, 06:22 AM

10. So in other words...

The accusation that Individual A (The one accused of "virtue signaling" ) by Individual B (The one accusing Individual A of "virtue signaling" ) is judging themselves less severely than they are judging others is itself a a judgment on the part of Individual B, they would "never do that", they are "better and take the high road compared to Individual A". Is that about right? It's like that scene in the movie Goldmember where Nigel Powers played by Michael Caine said "There are only two things I can't stand in this world: People who are intolerant of other people's cultures, and the Dutch."

The irony is so thick with the concept you could cut it with a knife, and if it wasn't just a thought terminating cliche and right wing smear, it would make me wonder if the whole thing was thought up by some new ground hipster artist who wanted to create new forms of art in the form of linguistic memes.

And just to repeat, the video is still on the same level as child pornography.

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Response to ck4829 (Original post)

Sun Mar 17, 2019, 06:08 AM

8. From the BBC

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-47599586

(snip)
Facebook said it had removed as many as 1.5 million videos of the attack from its site in the first 24 hours and that "all edited versions of the video that do not show graphic content" were also being deleted.
(snip)

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Response to ck4829 (Original post)

Sun Mar 17, 2019, 06:18 AM

9. I think that the people who commit acts like this and

take videos and write manifestos are feeding off negativity in their lives and they're trying to spread that negativity around, whether they realize it or not. Others shouldn't take the bait. Don't we all get enough negativity in our lives without bringing in more? Don't watch that shit. It feeds the monster outside and the one inside.

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Response to ck4829 (Original post)

Sun Mar 17, 2019, 06:26 AM

11. I wouldn't watch even if I came across a link which I have not. I can't

imagine why anyone would. Bet tRUMP has.

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Response to SammyWinstonJack (Reply #11)

Sun Mar 17, 2019, 06:32 AM

12. I have no desire to watch snuff porn...

...and I am even more convinced that deleting my Farcebook* account was the right thing to do.

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Response to ck4829 (Original post)

Sun Mar 17, 2019, 07:21 AM

13. I have to disagree entirely

 

While I have not personally seen it, I would have no problem viewing it. It can give me knowledge I may (hopefully never) need someday to save my own life. i.e. what to do/not to do

You are basically asserting that viewing it automatically assigns a motivation which is immoral. Patently false, of course.

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Response to CTAtheist (Reply #13)

Sun Mar 17, 2019, 07:26 AM

14. If it's out of curiousity and when it was breaking news, that's one thing

But going out of your way now to view it, I see it as immoral, yes.

Let's stop rationalizing that this video has some sort of utility value, it doesn't. The first person who saw this video as being useful was the man doing the shooting, that should say something.

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Response to ck4829 (Reply #14)

Sun Mar 17, 2019, 07:27 AM

15. You're wrong, per my original statement. Nothing more to add. -nt

 

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Response to CTAtheist (Reply #15)

Sun Mar 17, 2019, 07:29 AM

16. Cool, thanks for stopping the rationalizng

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Response to ck4829 (Reply #16)

Sun Mar 17, 2019, 07:31 AM

17. It's not rationalizing

 

As there is nothing wrong with watching the video. That is only in your mind. And its prejudice.

Pretty unbecoming of liberals/progressives, if you ask me.

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Response to CTAtheist (Reply #17)

Sun Mar 17, 2019, 07:38 AM

20. What happened to "Nothing more to add"?

That is Grade A textbook rationalizing, pretending that this video could have utility value and that justifies watching it, it doesn't. It's frightened people being wounded and murdered and any situation like this is entirely different in each case. There is nothing to learn from it, it's like detecting a person's personality from the bumps on their head or divining the future from cutting open a chicken and looking at the guts.

And I'm a leftist, I'll decide what my beliefs entail, but I've been here for well over a decade with no major problems. Thanks.

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Response to ck4829 (Reply #20)

Sun Mar 17, 2019, 07:40 AM

21. You're entitled to your opinion.

 

But that doesn't make you right.

Claiming that I am immoral for watching any video (even horrible things) is prejudice on your part.

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Response to CTAtheist (Reply #21)

Sun Mar 17, 2019, 07:41 AM

23. And that's what I said in the end...

"In my opinion, this video is on the same level as child pornography. Plain and simple."

I'm not going to revise that, sorry.

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Response to ck4829 (Reply #23)

Sun Mar 17, 2019, 07:53 AM

27. That's fair.

 

But do understand that when you say "Anyone who (does X) is (Y)", you're prejudging. That's literally prejudice. (I even used the word 'literally' right! )

I think FBI agents, DHS agents, and cops (in general) aren't immoral for watching it.
I think politicians who want to be able to talk about it to constituents aren't immoral for watching it.
I think gun safety advocates who want to be able to talk about it to lawmakers aren't immoral for watching it.
I think reporters who want to be able to talk about it to the public aren't immoral for watching it.

There are plenty of reasons to watch it which aren't immoral.

Also, I am not 5. I don't ascribe to the "he wants you to watch it, so don't!" reverse psychology thing. I could care less about that piece of shit who did this and what he wants. Like every one of these, it can be used to change how we treat guns in society. If we don't try, then we're failing.

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Response to CTAtheist (Reply #27)

Sun Mar 17, 2019, 08:08 AM

29. I'm "prejudging". And do you think I care about that?

Every single thing of this video should be destroyed, it should be scrubbed, and anyone who forwards, tries to keep this video on the Internet should be treated as an accessory to this man's crimes. He wants to spread propaganda and there are people doing this.

You will not find an FBI agent, a DHS agent, a cop, a politician (A sane one anyway), a gun control advocate, or a reporter (A real reporter, not Alex Jones) who says this video is useful, there is nothing to learn from a video of a child being shot, there is nothing to learn from a video of a wounded woman weeping before being executed.

Nothing.

If I knew someone were to seek out this video at this point now and I found out about it, I would cut them out of my life. No exceptions.

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Response to ck4829 (Reply #29)

Sun Mar 17, 2019, 09:03 AM

33. How far would you take that line of thought? (reply to #29, not #27)

Because it's incredibly dangerous and I don't think you're even aware of what you're saying. I'm against watching this video and I didn't watch it myself for obvious personal reasons, but I'm not against -anybody- watching this video, and I couldn't possibly support scrubbing it from history. This video exists, it is a very important aspect of this hideous fucking crime, therefore it is history. Trying to scrub history is foolish, dangerous, and cannot be allowed to even be attempted in a society founded on Liberty.

The video is disgusting. It will be used as propaganda. It will be viewed by sick people who will take inspiration from it.

But those are not reasons to attempt the foolhardy and literally impossible scrubbing of it from history as you suggested.

edit: Sorry for reply to wrong post, I don't know how to fix it. I was replying to ck4829's post #29 about pre-judging.

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Response to Rainbow Droid (Reply #33)

Sun Mar 17, 2019, 09:11 AM

34. I am completely aware of what I am saying

Where is the liberty in being murdered? Where is the liberty in being put on the Internet against your will and that will be your last appearance on the Internet? Where is the liberty of the survivors in the hospital?

The production, distribution, and existence of this video is antithetical to liberty.

So I'll take that line of thought as far as I need to.

(BTW, here's a small experiment you can do to see how far your liberty goes. Go to your local college, go to a computer, and try to find out about 'Yakuza' or 'Pressure cooker' and see what happens)

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Response to ck4829 (Reply #14)

Sun Mar 17, 2019, 07:44 AM

25. I have done everything to avoid even seeing a link

And I am grateful that I am no longer a news reporter .... one of the worst parts was covering violence or fatalities...

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Response to CTAtheist (Reply #13)

Sun Mar 17, 2019, 11:19 AM

36. OGMAFB. There is ONE survival tip for situations like this.

Run and hide. If you absolutely can't do that, fall down and play dead. That's it.

Anyone watching this for "knowledge I may need to save my own life" simply cannot be serious. People actively seeking out this diabolical video are doing it for their own reasons having nothing to do with scholarship.

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Response to Dave Starsky (Reply #36)

Sun Mar 17, 2019, 11:54 AM

37. That is exactly what happened.

Literally your exact advice, and the monster used it to his advantage.

I have seen it, it is horrible, and I have seen some horrible shit in my life. But it also is part of my job.
Is it for everyone, no. But it is a very valuable tool for people in the business of forming ideas to help when this happens again.

I have taken 6 separate "tips" from this. And have passed them on to family, my synagogue and co workers.


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Response to SQUEE (Reply #37)

Sun Mar 17, 2019, 02:54 PM

38. 50 human beings... now just 6 "tips"

But hey, just a video. It's sad to see Muslim lives matter so little in our culture.

(I should not have said this)

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Response to ck4829 (Reply #38)

Sun Mar 17, 2019, 05:23 PM

45. I never said any of those things.

I was choked up, and enraged by one very particular section the video. As were all of my colleagues, and we have had to deal with these things way too much.

Your insinuations towards me and others that deal with these things for a living are pretty vile.

I have never seen a beheading video, it is not my job, I have never watched an animal abuse video, again does not pertain to my vocation. I have seen numerous videos like this, because part of my job is to formulate reactions to these madmen, and to stop the monstrous acts they do.

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Response to SQUEE (Reply #45)

Sun Mar 17, 2019, 09:14 PM

56. I'm sorry. Someone has to be vile, I am finding out where I lie, finding out how to be horrible

I'm watching my personal beliefs and personal philosophical values get turned into ad hominem attacks and conspiracy theories by the other party, by white nationalists, by this administration for a while and so this has been boiling up inside of me. It exploded.

I went too far, but it's clear I have to be that vile, horrible person. Not all of us can be nice and sweet, I am willing to be that person who screams in ears. And yet I find I am lashing out at people who would probably be my allies, and it's not necessarily political, I actually made a grown man cry out in the 'real world' just the other day, mind you they harassed one of my coworkers. And here I am, I feel like their suffering and dying is depersonalized and just put out in the world for display, like they didn't matter.

And I'm coming from a special place in another way though, I've semi-adopted a young Somali woman, and every time I hear or see news about this, I think about her. And that's not even mentioning the fact that I almost married a Muslim woman a long time ago, she still holds a very special place in my heart, and then to see them called invaders when they are of the two of the sweetest and strongest women in my life. It's made it worse, to see this gaslighting and psychological manipulation of my political and philosophical beliefs, now they go after people I love? No.

You do what you have to do, I'll do what I have to do. But it starts here, the pushback against this poison, this virus starts today. I will have to temper how I act, and redirect it. Because I am finding out I am getting a lot done...

Just one of the things I am doing is working on a project somewhere else, there wasn't a thing on white nationalist terrorism until today, I've added hundreds of pages and including code words and sundown towns, it's being called an "incident" according to the administrators, hopefully it will remain. I think it's a better and smarter use of my time than being angry at fellow DUers.

I want to be horrible, but I need to be horrible at the right people. And that wasn't you.

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Response to SQUEE (Reply #37)

Sun Mar 17, 2019, 03:20 PM

40. Can you share them here?

We could all benefit from that.

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Response to Dave Starsky (Reply #36)

Sun Mar 17, 2019, 03:15 PM

39. And that's what so many people do when they're caught with child porn

The "Uh... it's for research" defense.

Seeing people get murdered must activate the same part of the brain.

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Response to ck4829 (Original post)

Sun Mar 17, 2019, 07:32 AM

18. Poor people. Fricken hateful son of a bitch.

Humans are some effed up organisms. The trump family has unclean hands.

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Response to ck4829 (Original post)

Sun Mar 17, 2019, 07:35 AM

19. One big reason to not watch it

is that he f----ing wants you to watch it.

I believed something like this (I thought it might be autopsy photos of victims) might work like Emmitt Till's body being on public display (repelling people to do something about magazine fed semiautomatic weapons). I no longer think that given what I am seeing now.

Our society sees it like a video game. The fact that it is Muslims might even make this response worse.

No way am I ever going to watch it. As I get older I try to watch less and less things were people are actually getting hurt (I gave up boxing and MMA watching a long time ago).

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Response to exboyfil (Reply #19)

Sun Mar 17, 2019, 07:40 AM

22. True and there's also a major distinction in the Till case

And that's that his mother WANTED his body to be shown, she wanted the world to see the aftermath.

Nobody asked the victims, wounded or dead if they wanted to be put on the Internet. Nobody asked the families of the victims if they were OK with this.

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Response to ck4829 (Original post)

Sun Mar 17, 2019, 07:42 AM

24. Americans are so desensitized to violence

it is frightening. No one can give me a rational reason for wanting to view this.

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Response to ck4829 (Original post)

Sun Mar 17, 2019, 07:49 AM

26. I have no interest in watching

Agree

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Response to ck4829 (Original post)

Sun Mar 17, 2019, 07:56 AM

28. I know where it is, would never in a million years

watch it. Back in 2003 or 2004 I remember the Nick Berg beheading, I watched it on dial up, and much buffering. Im ashamed to admit this now, I didn't sleep for almost a week.
I was young and didn't understand desensitization. Now I am older and understand the world much better, I see how devastating it is for so many to watch these horrific, heartbreaking videos.

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Response to ck4829 (Original post)

Sun Mar 17, 2019, 08:26 AM

30. K&R

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Response to ck4829 (Original post)

Sun Mar 17, 2019, 08:34 AM

31. I have seen posters here admit that they watched it. Appalling.

 

And part of the video was even posted on du. I think it was removed, but somebody posted it. Ugh.

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Response to Tipperary (Reply #31)

Sun Mar 17, 2019, 08:37 AM

32. I'm just horrified

Those were someone's kids, someone's parents, someone's siblings, someone's spouses. And I don't think that's hitting everyone.

We've reached dystopia.

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Response to ck4829 (Original post)

Sun Mar 17, 2019, 04:36 PM

43. I have to disagree

I felt no personal need to watch it-in my lifetime I've seen enough physical trauma, however most people have not. Call it ultra-violent call it a snuff video or death porn but one descriptor remains-that film was the truth and the truth can in fact set people free. Free of movie death syndrome where the dying get to say their last word, free of media heroes who talk dismissively of "flesh wounds" free of the victims falling painlessly dead with a look of peace on their faces. This was the real thing, all of it, hair, teeth , and asshole. A few sick puppies will in fact get off on it but a far greater body will learn a truth way too often ignored. YMMV

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Response to ck4829 (Original post)

Sun Mar 17, 2019, 04:40 PM

44. Basically agree.

I havenít seen it nor desire to. Although I will say, if the right people viewed it, it might change their mind on guns, IMO.

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Response to ck4829 (Original post)

Sun Mar 17, 2019, 06:17 PM

46. Sort of like a train wreck - it's horrible, yet people can't turn away.

Personally, I have enough anxiety issues without watching a video like that. Just the descriptions are bad enough.

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Response to ck4829 (Original post)

Sun Mar 17, 2019, 06:23 PM

47. I am surprised how many people here

don't seem to be able to tolerate reality, and would censor and shame those who can. I thought we were supposed to be the smart, rational ones.

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Response to ck4829 (Original post)

Sun Mar 17, 2019, 06:36 PM

48. It's a snuff film

Wikipedia:

Definition

A snuff film, or snuff movie, is "a movie in a purported genre of movies in which a person is actually murdered or commits suicide".It may or may not be made for financial gain, but is supposedly "circulated amongst a jaded few for the purpose of entertainment". Some filmed records of executions and murders exist, but in those cases, the death was not specifically staged for financial gain or entertainment.

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Response to ck4829 (Original post)

Sun Mar 17, 2019, 06:38 PM

49. I may be totally wrong,

 

but after reading the posts, I have a thought on why there is so much anger shown by some of you to others. Those of you who watched the video and those of you who only know about it do not know how to cope with it. Excuse me, but sometime it is difficult for me to find the right words. Catharsis comes to mind. You need to find some way to scream. Me, I just cry.

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Response to ck4829 (Original post)

Sun Mar 17, 2019, 06:39 PM

50. I flat out refuse to watch it.

I will not watch any video that depicts somebody being murdered or dying.

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Response to ck4829 (Original post)

Sun Mar 17, 2019, 06:46 PM

51. No one is forced to watch it.

But I think that one reason that guns and gun deaths are so blithely accepted in this country is that people think that it's neat and tidy, like they see in a movie or on TV. It's not. It's brutal and horrifying.

Again, no one has to watch it, but maybe if more people saw what actually happens, they'd think twice about saying bullshit like "Guns make us safer" or "I'm a responsible gun owner" or "It's only a small minority."

And, isn't it just odd that countries with stronger gun control laws don't have this problem? And that New Zealand is going to take steps to make sure this doesn't happen again.

Meanwhile, how many people die from guns every year in this country? How many mass shootings do we have regularly?

Right, guns make us safer.

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Response to ck4829 (Original post)

Sun Mar 17, 2019, 06:47 PM

52. I have seen the idea

That making people see these things would help with gun control. Seeing the carnage would bring the reality to the gunners.

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Response to ck4829 (Original post)

Sun Mar 17, 2019, 07:40 PM

54. +1...

 

...Closing one's eye's to terror doesn't prevent terror from happening. I would think that viewing this video would cause people to re-think their situational awareness and security protocols going forward.

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Response to ck4829 (Original post)

Sun Mar 17, 2019, 08:41 PM

55. In some ways, I think we should MAKE people watch it.

 

I think every white, Republican mother who voted for Trump should have to watch it. I think every white, Republican with kids should have to watch it.

Every one of those people enables this type of massacre by voting for Republicans and their NRA agenda.

Yes, I know there are people who will be excited by the video and want to emulate the mass-murder. It's already too late to stop them though. I'm certain there are dark corners of the web where they are getting off right now watching it.

What I want to do is try, just try, to shock the conscience of the people who enable this by voting for the GOP. They've heard about it over and over and over and over again and it has no effect on them. They still just send thoughts and prayers.

Maybe, just maybe if they had to endure watching it (I have not seen it, but I assume it's gruesome and horrible) they might get a new perspective on things.

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Sun Mar 17, 2019, 10:37 PM

57. I watched it. It came up on my Twitter tl minutes into the attack

I thought it wasn't real tbh. The music, the stupid call out to Pewdiepie, the laughter, then the murders - know that the video is blurry and completely out of focus. The murderer/terrorist is moving so fast the camera never has a chance to focus so the "gore porn" aspect isn't present other than the horror of blurry bodies falling.

The video on my feed was about 3 minutes. I honestly thought it was a gamer stunt at first. What struck me besides the killing was the writing on the weapon. It's visible but blurry.

I watched it in confusion then started getting the details on my tl and yes, was utterly repulsed once I knew it was real- I never got a link to the video again.

I'm not happy this passed my way, but there are certain aspects that can't be adequately articulated unless you've seen it. His malice. His glee. His deliberate and prominent display of the rifles with their messages - its sophisticated and crafted for social media. Socmed experts need to watch it so these can be torn apart as the altright propaganda that they are.

Finally, it's so slick I thought it was a video game segment at first. Unless this guy was a socmed genius, someone helped him craft it before he took the script and played it out. THAT is critical. Who helped him? Unless you see the video, youd never even think to ask that question imo and it may be why the authorities were able to so quickly find the other 2 potential suspect

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