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Snarkoleptic

(5,997 posts)
Sat Mar 23, 2019, 07:42 AM Mar 2019

Trump has sold out the farmers who voted for him -- and now they're racing toward calamity.

File this under "The Corporatocracy Will Never Stop Consuming Everything in it's Path." (until it's too late)

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/03/trump-sold-farmers-voted-now-theyre-racing-toward-calamity/

Indeed, a central cause of the spreading farm depression is the increasing monopolization of all the things farmers must buy (from seeds to machinery) and of the markets that buy from them. The big four biotech ag giants, for example, control 63 percent of all commercial seeds sold in the world; four meat processors control 84 percent of the U.S. beef market; and four global traders control up to 90 percent of the world’s grain sales. Our farmers and their families are hurting, but so far, our leaders, including the president, aren’t helping them.


--snipski--

...(tRump) whacked $3.6 billion from the safety-net programs that offer a measure of relief to hard-hit producers when crop prices crash. Revealing his plutocratic core, the cuts specifically targeted programs that benefit small farmers — a deliberate manipulation meant to drive more families off the land and increase corporate monopolization of agriculture.

Not satisfied with intentionally injuring family farmers, Trump added insult by calling the dab of support they get from the government “overly generous.” This from a real estate flimflammer who continues to rake in millions of dollars in government cash and special tax breaks.

Far from stepping up to stop this robbery of farmers, ransacking of rural vitality and rip-off of consumers, Congress and Trump coddle the monopolistic robbers, ransackers, and rip-off artists. To help counter their insanity, join forces with the grassroots power of Farm Aid.
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Trump has sold out the farmers who voted for him -- and now they're racing toward calamity. (Original Post) Snarkoleptic Mar 2019 OP
Not to mention True Blue American Mar 2019 #1
Why isn't the Democratic Party reaching out to help these farmers? FakeNoose Mar 2019 #2
What, exactly, could we do that would be meaningful enough to make a difference? Vinca Mar 2019 #4
We could articulate that we Skidmore Mar 2019 #5
I agree we should be there, but a whole lot of that is a BS meme spread by the media and the GOP. Vinca Mar 2019 #7
these people are voting on their racism. look at the article on Iowa and Devin Nunes' family JI7 Mar 2019 #8
Look at the map. Skidmore Mar 2019 #23
And we should continue to support the farmers. plimsoll Mar 2019 #43
We stand and tell them Skidmore Mar 2019 #44
Because it's the right thing. plimsoll Mar 2019 #45
My husband and I Skidmore Mar 2019 #46
I hope so as well, but plimsoll Mar 2019 #47
If the farmers refused to listen to us for decades what makes you cstanleytech Mar 2019 #14
farmers need to stop buying gopeee bs. You can't jump in a man whole to save them ...or anyone Thekaspervote Mar 2019 #24
We refused to talk to them, too. Gore1FL Mar 2019 #25
They haven't crashed yet, be there when they do and make sure we're first with a contrast in policy uponit7771 Mar 2019 #9
In the 60s and 70s The Farmers were with the Democratic Party INdemo Mar 2019 #17
This trev Mar 2019 #40
You can not reason or chenge the mind of repugs. Hotler Mar 2019 #20
Their bad decisions will come back to haunt them. That is GODS punishment for them notdarkyet Mar 2019 #30
I have joined a CSA and will work for part of my share janterry Mar 2019 #3
That sounds like a great idea! I would love to start a big garden this year but I'm afraid Luciferous Mar 2019 #18
F you are close to the border I understand Mexicans can supply True Blue American Mar 2019 #27
I hadn't even considered the birds. We moved closer to family last summer and my dad has a Luciferous Mar 2019 #37
I iive in a small city True Blue American Mar 2019 #39
Thanks for providing link! How neat, perhaps it will start taking over more and more...I had ... SWBTATTReg Mar 2019 #36
Yeah, I don't mind subsidies going to small family farms but the corporate welfare needs to stop. Luciferous Mar 2019 #38
ADM, Cargill, DuPont Pioneer & Monsanto will buy them at 10 cents on dollar. Mission Accomplished! TheBlackAdder Mar 2019 #6
Not only the small farmer. safeinOhio Mar 2019 #10
The farmers disagree. Honeycombe8 Mar 2019 #11
Yeah, just like Christianity...suffer now, get your reward later (after you die). Wounded Bear Mar 2019 #21
Helped the wealthy farmers True Blue American Mar 2019 #29
Taking away food stamps. notdarkyet Mar 2019 #32
We need "A 7% solution". James48 Mar 2019 #12
No one shall own more than 7% of the reusable space launch vehicles? LiberalArkie Mar 2019 #13
Natural monopolies...Not man made... paleotn Mar 2019 #16
Same for VT dairy farmers up here..... paleotn Mar 2019 #15
How are the Large Corporate Farmers, with Their Enormous Subsidies, Doing? dlk Mar 2019 #19
Pretty much... Wounded Bear Mar 2019 #22
Yet most are also racing towards giving Trump their vote in the next election Freethinker65 Mar 2019 #26
Farmers once tended to be Democrats. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2019 #28
The real test will be to see if they continue Golden Raisin Mar 2019 #31
Think about those poor farmers and ranchers in Nebraska, Kansas and Missouri. redstatebluegirl Mar 2019 #33
The list of people and groups trumps screwed over duforsure Mar 2019 #34
The real calamity will be their vote to try and re-elect him next year. bullwinkle428 Mar 2019 #35
Agreed. McCamy Taylor Mar 2019 #42
So, were the tariffs really a backhand way to force family farms into bankruptcy? McCamy Taylor Mar 2019 #41
I think it's just an example of tRump's intellectual incuriosity, Snarkoleptic Mar 2019 #48

FakeNoose

(32,620 posts)
2. Why isn't the Democratic Party reaching out to help these farmers?
Sat Mar 23, 2019, 07:50 AM
Mar 2019

Chump turned his back on them, just like we knew he would.

Vinca

(50,255 posts)
4. What, exactly, could we do that would be meaningful enough to make a difference?
Sat Mar 23, 2019, 07:56 AM
Mar 2019

Republicans control the Senate and will vote as Don decrees. All we can pass for certain is thoughts and prayers. In any case, I'm betting these same farmers who are hurting will join the lemmings and vote for Don again (God sent him . . .remember?).

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
5. We could articulate that we
Sat Mar 23, 2019, 08:09 AM
Mar 2019

understand the dynamic of the problems they have and propose ways to help them if they would vote for Dems. SDo you understand why the tropes "flyover country" or "forgotten Americans" had traction in farm country? It's because Dems ceded ground and left nothing but Republican voices. We are starting to do it again, I fear, as I see the attitude that only urban centers are deserving of power sharing and representation. If we want to hold solid governance, we need to include all.

Vinca

(50,255 posts)
7. I agree we should be there, but a whole lot of that is a BS meme spread by the media and the GOP.
Sat Mar 23, 2019, 08:15 AM
Mar 2019

How do you convince people who only watch a Sinclair television station locally and Faux News nationally of anything? How do you convince people who see their fields flooded because of climate change, but will vote for Trump because God sent him? We need to try, but I'm not very hopeful. You can lead a horse to water . . .

JI7

(89,244 posts)
8. these people are voting on their racism. look at the article on Iowa and Devin Nunes' family
Sat Mar 23, 2019, 08:29 AM
Mar 2019

bunch of racist hypocritical assholes that vote for steve king and trump while hiring undocumented workers.

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
23. Look at the map.
Sat Mar 23, 2019, 10:14 AM
Mar 2019

We acquired two new Dem reps to the House. Now three of our four reps are Dems. We flipped many offices in counties. Now that we have made inroads, you think we should be abandoned before we acquire strength? Kings district is the NW corner, always a conservative area. We need help to hold ground. Grassley and Ernst have been weakened by their support of Trump and his trade policies. King has been weakened by his removal from the ag committee. We can make other gains.

plimsoll

(1,668 posts)
43. And we should continue to support the farmers.
Sat Mar 23, 2019, 02:57 PM
Mar 2019

But let's be realistic. Most of them will continue to support the GOP. Most of them will complain about liberals giving stuff to freeloaders. Many of them will blame liberals for the impact on farms.

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
46. My husband and I
Sat Mar 23, 2019, 03:24 PM
Mar 2019

address these issues with farmers we know regularly. Many regret their votes for Trump, Ernst, Grassley, and Kim Reynolds. Hopefully they will follow through on their stated vows not to vote for them in the future.

plimsoll

(1,668 posts)
47. I hope so as well, but
Sat Mar 23, 2019, 04:29 PM
Mar 2019

we should not count on them. Experiencing buyers remorse doesn't seem to protect most people from making the same impulse decisions they did the last time.

Keep in mind I'm saying we live our values, and we have to be prepared to do so without compensation or reward. Our values include supporting and trying to protect them from predation the same way we try to protect others from predation. We just shouldn't plan on them suddenly realizing that actions speak louder than words.

Motivate our side, but that doesn't include punishing them.

cstanleytech

(26,280 posts)
14. If the farmers refused to listen to us for decades what makes you
Sat Mar 23, 2019, 09:32 AM
Mar 2019

think they suddenly will now? No, our resources are better spent elsewhere and we should let the farmers reap what they have sown.

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
17. In the 60s and 70s The Farmers were with the Democratic Party
Sat Mar 23, 2019, 09:44 AM
Mar 2019

When Jimmy Carter put the sanctions against Russia and would not sell them Grain, when they invaded Afghanistan, the markets went to hell.
It took years to come back. The Farmers voted for Reagan in 1980 and have voted for Republicans ever since.

Farmers could/will go broke but they still wouldn't vote for Democrats.
A local Farmer just had a farm sale a week ago and he is a MAGA Republican and for him "Trump has never had a chance because of the Democrats" even though Trump forced him out of Farming.

trev

(1,480 posts)
40. This
Sat Mar 23, 2019, 01:51 PM
Mar 2019

has been my argument for years. For reasons I don't fully understand, farmers have been voting against their own interests for decades. They are responsible for many of their ills. Not all the ills; the corporatization of farming and seed production has played a huge role in eliminating the family farm. With so much of the global market at stake, it seems to me that the corporate farm is only going to increase its power. Local farmers just can't compete.

Hotler

(11,412 posts)
20. You can not reason or chenge the mind of repugs.
Sat Mar 23, 2019, 10:08 AM
Mar 2019

even the farmers. They will always vote to spite themselves just to fuck over liberals.

notdarkyet

(2,226 posts)
30. Their bad decisions will come back to haunt them. That is GODS punishment for them
Sat Mar 23, 2019, 10:55 AM
Mar 2019

Ignoring the truth. So good luck you all. I wonder how many of you will lose your farms?

 

janterry

(4,429 posts)
3. I have joined a CSA and will work for part of my share
Sat Mar 23, 2019, 07:50 AM
Mar 2019

I'm getting one full share for $ and the other share I am getting by working 4 hours a week. My idea is that it's great exercise, it will give us free food, it's organic, it's fresh - I'll be there when they have an excess of whatever so I can buy it, can it, or freeze it.

Plus, I'm putting in a small garden this year - and working there will help me learn more about how to have a better garden .

I want out of big agriculture.

Find a CSA in your area: https://www.localharvest.org/csa/

Luciferous

(6,078 posts)
18. That sounds like a great idea! I would love to start a big garden this year but I'm afraid
Sat Mar 23, 2019, 09:51 AM
Mar 2019

the massive amount of rabbits in our yard would also love it

I'm thinking I will have to do raised beds with fencing. It will be a good project to work on with the kids!

True Blue American

(17,982 posts)
27. F you are close to the border I understand Mexicans can supply
Sat Mar 23, 2019, 10:53 AM
Mar 2019

You with barbed wire!

Just joking but I always had enclosed beds and my Son just bought cheap wire to enclose his. He lives close to a woods so has deer, rabbits, coyotes nd those in between, including birds.

I also covered my garden with black plastic, cut holes for plants. No weeds, no birds, no rabbits.

Luciferous

(6,078 posts)
37. I hadn't even considered the birds. We moved closer to family last summer and my dad has a
Sat Mar 23, 2019, 01:04 PM
Mar 2019

pretty good sized garden so I think I'll have him come over and give me some tips. We've always had flower beds but this will be our first vegetable garden. I also did some research on CSAs in our area and we have some good ones so maybe we can supplement with that.

True Blue American

(17,982 posts)
39. I iive in a small city
Sat Mar 23, 2019, 01:30 PM
Mar 2019

But we have farms all aound so get a lot of local produce in our stores. Start small,work up. You will do fine.

I asked my son to plant arugula for me. He planted the package. They could have fed the whole city. i had plastic bags full the size of a pillow case!

I just finished snapping green beans. Sre they are not local yet, but really fresh and nice. Asparagus, too.

SWBTATTReg

(22,100 posts)
36. Thanks for providing link! How neat, perhaps it will start taking over more and more...I had ...
Sat Mar 23, 2019, 11:42 AM
Mar 2019

hoped COOPs (farmer cooperatives) would have done this type of thing but it hasn't happened. I don't why, but I liked the MFA outlets in MO (mostly rural towns) and enjoyed shopping in them.

It has been a given that farmers and ranchers complain about people ignoring them (flying over them, etc. remarks), but it works both ways, have the farmers and ranchers come to the city (they do here in STLMO, the farmer's market in Soulard, is a big gathering of growers and other vendors that come together every weekend). The consumer is always looking for fresh veggies, meats, dairy, etc.

Now I can understand that farmers are already strapped for resources so they can't just pick up and leave for the city. They already are having problems finding laborers in rural areas, especially more so when rump cracked down on illegal immigrants, and the economic boom is hitting urban cities (not farms) so young folks are leaving the farms and migrating to the cities (which do have more choices, more 'life', more of everything). Perhaps some kind of joint arrangement where laborers from the cities go out to the farms to help out?

Also, there needs to be an end to farmer subsidies, which aren't supporting the family farm as these bills are intended, but instead are supporting massive no name corporations. This is not what I suspect American taxpayers intended.

safeinOhio

(32,664 posts)
10. Not only the small farmer.
Sat Mar 23, 2019, 08:48 AM
Mar 2019

Consumers are being raped too. The price of tofu, cereal and beef keeps going up for us while the wholesale prices drop like a rock.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
11. The farmers disagree.
Sat Mar 23, 2019, 09:08 AM
Mar 2019

A local farmer (he looked wealthy...not a small local country-type farmer) was on tv and said pain up front is fine, since the end game will make things better for them.

And let's not forget that Trump gave them handouts to help them.

This is the age of Trump. Even when Trumpers experience bad things, they think it's good.

James48

(4,433 posts)
12. We need "A 7% solution".
Sat Mar 23, 2019, 09:16 AM
Mar 2019

New law:

No individual, corporation, or other type of entity may own, control, or voting power over more than 7% of anything.

Not more than 7% of the stock.

Not more than 7% of the market share.

If the ownship or marketshare exceeds 7% for two consecutive quarters, or more than 10% at any time, a clock is triggered to spilt up, divest, spin off or break up the entity into pieces smaller than 5% ownship/influence/voting share.

Monopolies must be broken apart.

LiberalArkie

(15,708 posts)
13. No one shall own more than 7% of the reusable space launch vehicles?
Sat Mar 23, 2019, 09:29 AM
Mar 2019

No one shall own more than 7% of the electrical service in a community, or water etc..


I semi agree, but there will always be monopolies.

paleotn

(17,911 posts)
16. Natural monopolies...Not man made...
Sat Mar 23, 2019, 09:42 AM
Mar 2019

and natural monopolies should be owned collectively. Thus they cease to be monopolies.

paleotn

(17,911 posts)
15. Same for VT dairy farmers up here.....
Sat Mar 23, 2019, 09:38 AM
Mar 2019

Just like my kin down south, it's simple math. The cost of inputs rises drastically. The price for output averages flat long term, and in the case of soybeans along comes an absolute moron. Each peak in prices barely pays for the debt incurred from the last collapse. The eventual result is bankruptcy. Selling the acreage or the herd. The end of a multi-generational livelihood. As the grandson of farmers and the nephew and cousin of those who still farm, it breaks my heart.

https://www.sevendaysvt.com/vermont/selling-the-herd-a-milk-price-crisis-is-devastating-vermonts-dairy-farms/Content?oid=14631009

dlk

(11,541 posts)
19. How are the Large Corporate Farmers, with Their Enormous Subsidies, Doing?
Sat Mar 23, 2019, 10:01 AM
Mar 2019

Laughing all the way to the bank?

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,661 posts)
28. Farmers once tended to be Democrats.
Sat Mar 23, 2019, 10:54 AM
Mar 2019

Here in Minnesota the Democratic party is actually an affiliated party called the Democratic Farmer-Labor Party (DFL). It was formed in 1944 by a merger of the Minnesota Democratic Party and the left-wing Minnesota Farmer–Labor Party. The Farmer-Labor party, for awhile one of the few successful third parties, was formed in 1918 and promoted farmer and labor union protection, government ownership of certain industries, and social security laws. But the "farmer" part of the party has mostly gone over to the GOP, just like elsewhere in the country - even though the GOP has never done a damned thing for them.

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
33. Think about those poor farmers and ranchers in Nebraska, Kansas and Missouri.
Sat Mar 23, 2019, 11:06 AM
Mar 2019

First they have the tariffs killing their bottom line and now the flooding is killing their livestock and endangering this year's crops. They may never recover. I know there are people on here who say, you get what you deserve for voting for him, but hey, these are hard working families, some of these farms have been in their families for generations.

Trump is going to get what he wants, corporate farms that don't give a lick about the environment, safety or anything related to the earth and people.

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
34. The list of people and groups trumps screwed over
Sat Mar 23, 2019, 11:07 AM
Mar 2019

After conning them out of their vote is growing by the day now.

McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
41. So, were the tariffs really a backhand way to force family farms into bankruptcy?
Sat Mar 23, 2019, 02:02 PM
Mar 2019

Would be interesting to see how much money Trump has collected from Big Agriculture.

Snarkoleptic

(5,997 posts)
48. I think it's just an example of tRump's intellectual incuriosity,
Sun Mar 24, 2019, 09:50 AM
Mar 2019

combined with his lazy pattern of believing the last person he spoke with.
I wouldn't be surprised if he's profiting from it as well.

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