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Eliot Rosewater

(31,097 posts)
Sat Mar 23, 2019, 12:17 PM Mar 2019

Is conspiring with Russia to steal/win the election a crime?

I am asking the lawyers. I know collusion isnt a thing, conspiracy is, what would they need to PROVE it? What is the actual statute of the crime?

BTW, if a Democrat did this it would NOT MATTER if it was, they would be impeached by both parties day one.

This is madness.

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RHMerriman

(1,376 posts)
3. Some may, and enough of their voters and donors may get to the point where
Sat Mar 23, 2019, 12:25 PM
Mar 2019

Some may, and enough of their voters and donors may get to the point where they are tired of Trump and the circus.

Enough of that sort of movement, and the GOP fractures (think of the Democrats in the 1860 election); at that point, the Democrats, independents, and "true" Republicans can pull the country out of the ditch.

Kaleva

(36,146 posts)
4. I don't think Trump wanted or expected to win.
Sat Mar 23, 2019, 12:34 PM
Mar 2019

Cohen testified to that effect and other sources mentioned that too. Thus Trump would have no motive to conspire to steal something he did not want in the first place.

 

lancelyons

(988 posts)
5. YES but the Mueller investigation COULD NOT indict a sitting president.
Sat Mar 23, 2019, 12:55 PM
Mar 2019

Its that simple. Mueller knew this as did everybody else.

So Mueller will have added all the details of what he found in the report. HE would not indict the president.

I suspect the report will be damning for the president.


Why no indictments for the trump kids (that is coming in the SDNY).


I personally believe the report will find what we all expect. Barr cant come out and say NO indictments so case closed... It was assumed there would be no indictment of the president. It has to be a summary of the actual findings..

We all know what many of these findings have to show.. we have heard much of this in the media the past couple years.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,097 posts)
6. Yes to all of that PLUS if it was a Democrat he would have been impeached day two.
Sat Mar 23, 2019, 12:58 PM
Mar 2019

His business connections alone disqualify any Democrat.

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
7. Hmmmm, that's why this "no indictment" crap is sounding like the "BIG LIE" from the DOJ if that's
Sat Mar 23, 2019, 01:01 PM
Mar 2019

... the real source.

Cause there can be other indictments from other investigations relating to Red Don's criminality

and

There's no indictment of a sitting president so Red Don can be dead on guilty and there be no indictments of him

 

lancelyons

(988 posts)
8. correct however that doesnt mean the details of the crimes wont be listed in the report
Sat Mar 23, 2019, 01:07 PM
Mar 2019

Mueller could easily say in the report

- Trump violated this law and here is the evidence

- trump violated this law and here is the evidence

- trump violated this law and here is the evidence

- trump violated this law and here is the evidence

Mueller could conclude that he would have indicted the president but for DOJ policy he will not.


The summary would have to include this and leave it up to congress to figure out what to do.


This is what I am betting on.

Cicada

(4,533 posts)
11. it could be a crime or not, depends on other details
Sat Mar 23, 2019, 03:21 PM
Mar 2019

If you conspire to illegally hack into emails, that’s a crime. Because illegally hacking is a crime. But simply getting and publishing emails is legal. We have a first amendment right to publish info relevant to a presidential election. I don’t think Russia was guilty of campaign contribution violations by giving Trump things with monetary value, something foreigners should avoid, again because our right to information trumps other laws. There is no law against favoring a foreign nation over the US unless the US is at war with them. Trump can legally promote Russian interests even to the detriment of US interests. Unless he takes a government action in return for money or something else of value.

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