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Claritie Pixie

(2,199 posts)
Sun Mar 24, 2019, 03:56 PM Mar 2019

Maybe Mueller isn't the man of integrity we all thought?

We believe he is because of his history of being a war hero and a by-the-book prosecutor, and because Trump attacked him and the investigation mercilessly.

But he IS a republican, and he has dinner with Barr on a regular basis.

It may very well have all been a setup to crush us.

It doesn't really matter to me either way.

Right now, I'm looking forward to voting Trump out.

I will do whayever I can between now and then to make that happen.

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Maybe Mueller isn't the man of integrity we all thought? (Original Post) Claritie Pixie Mar 2019 OP
This is Barr's report, not Mueller's. MelissaB Mar 2019 #1
Mueller allowed it to be Barr's report by deferring to him. Drunken Irishman Mar 2019 #4
Do you think he had a choice? MelissaB Mar 2019 #11
He had a choice what he put in the report. Drunken Irishman Mar 2019 #12
Or maybe he is. The_jackalope Mar 2019 #2
Mueller deferred to Barr. Drunken Irishman Mar 2019 #5
Barr is the boss. MelissaB Mar 2019 #6
And Mueller deferred to him... Drunken Irishman Mar 2019 #8
Clearly, we aren't going to agree. MelissaB Mar 2019 #14
Release the full report. dalton99a Mar 2019 #3
I am disappointed but I must agree n/t dajoki Mar 2019 #7
Where's the Mueller report? Sunsky Mar 2019 #9
I think he is Windy City Charlie Mar 2019 #10
I don't think this gets placed on Mueller. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2019 #13
 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
4. Mueller allowed it to be Barr's report by deferring to him.
Sun Mar 24, 2019, 04:14 PM
Mar 2019

Mueller could have easily charged that they believe there's sufficient evidence to suggest the President obstructed justice in the investigation but that charging him would be out of their scope due to the general belief that you can't indict a sitting president. He didn't do that. He blatantly said they couldn't determine either way and that he would defer to the AG to make the call - who, obviously, was not going to charge Trump with obstruction.

Mueller punted and gave the game away to Trump.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
12. He had a choice what he put in the report.
Sun Mar 24, 2019, 04:58 PM
Mar 2019

If Mueller didn't find enough grounds to charge with obstruction, or suggest obstruction charges, and found there wasn't evidence to point to collusion, then Trump either is innocent in this or Mueller's report wasn't at the level it should have been.

The_jackalope

(1,660 posts)
2. Or maybe he is.
Sun Mar 24, 2019, 04:10 PM
Mar 2019

Sometimes serious, ramrod-straight integrity can look a lot like, "He belongs to the enemy because he doesn't exhibit favour toward us."

I'll wait for the report. I have far more troubles with Barr on that issue.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
8. And Mueller deferred to him...
Sun Mar 24, 2019, 04:20 PM
Mar 2019

Mueller basically said they couldn't determine whether Trump committed obstruction and that it would be up to Barr, who was appointed by Trump, to make that determination.

So, either Mueller did a shoddy investigation, or punted because he didn't want to make a proclamation either way or Trump didn't commit obstruction. What do you think is more likely? Because Mueller had two years to build a case against Trump and his obstruction and the best we got out of it was, "maybe he did ... maybe he didn't, we'll let the GOP appointed Attorney General decide..."

Windy City Charlie

(1,178 posts)
10. I think he is
Sun Mar 24, 2019, 04:21 PM
Mar 2019

The problem is he has people above him who have the final say, no matter what his conclusions would've been.

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