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So people perjured themselves over something that didn't happen (Original Post) JCMach1 Mar 2019 OP
Something is rotten in the state of Denmark. n/t Different Drummer Mar 2019 #1
It doesn't - you've made a good point RHMerriman Mar 2019 #2
They wanted to go to jail, because the outside world rzemanfl Mar 2019 #3
Examples of perjured statements under oath onenote Mar 2019 #4
They perjured themselves - but not in reference to collusion. Drunken Irishman Mar 2019 #5
Yes it was, PapaDoc and Flynn lied about talking to Russians... why do that uponit7771 Mar 2019 #7
Because they didn't want to be seen as foreign agents. Drunken Irishman Mar 2019 #8
THIS !!!! uponit7771 Mar 2019 #6
I cannot shake the same thought Jarqui Mar 2019 #9

RHMerriman

(1,376 posts)
2. It doesn't - you've made a good point
Sun Mar 24, 2019, 05:25 PM
Mar 2019

It doesn't - you've made a good point.

If Trump were innocent, he would have been the first one in line to be interviewed.

So one really can't see this as a win for the Trump Administration...

Mueller punted to Barr, and Barr punted to Congress. Neither one was a profile in courage, obviously, but Barr's decision is more obviously a whitewash than anything else.

The only patriots in all this are the Democrats in Congress, and given the insight into how Trump does business, they have plenty to go after.

Bottom line, Trump hired a national security advisor, campaign chair, deputy campaign chair, personal attorney/national party finance co-chair (now all convicts), and a dozen other losers who have consistently proven themselves untrustworthy for the positions they were given - and the GOP as an institution and organization have accepted that bottom line, which indicts them as just as much as it has Trump, Pence, McConnell, etc.

Comes down to the reality that Trump is surrounded by crooks that he hired... "I'm not a crook" didn't work for Nixon; I don't see that as really a winning slogan for Trump.

Using Nixon as the template, it's worth remembering Nixon won re-election in '72, despite multiple scandals and the debacle in SE Asia; and yet he didn't finish a second term.

Keep the faith, and keep up the fire

onenote

(42,700 posts)
4. Examples of perjured statements under oath
Sun Mar 24, 2019, 05:25 PM
Mar 2019

that related to conspiracy with the Russians?

Keep in mind that some of the folks that lied did so to protect themselves from being charged as a foreign agent.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
5. They perjured themselves - but not in reference to collusion.
Sun Mar 24, 2019, 05:27 PM
Mar 2019

The writing was on the wall from the start. These indictments were not directly tied to Russian collusion.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
8. Because they didn't want to be seen as foreign agents.
Sun Mar 24, 2019, 05:30 PM
Mar 2019

They didn't purger themselves to hide collusion charges. Hell, even in their statements it didn't link back to the campaign.

Jarqui

(10,123 posts)
9. I cannot shake the same thought
Sun Mar 24, 2019, 05:36 PM
Mar 2019

Most people do things for a reason.

A lot of Trump's people were lying. So was Trump himself - for example, claiming the Trump Tower meeting was about adoptions of Russian children - when it was really about getting dirt from Russia on Hillary. What were they trying to cover up? Some of them are going to jail for it. Maybe more to come ...

What happened with all that Russian money that supposedly went to the NRA and Ms Butina?
The audio of Paul Ryan and GOP members talking about Trump and Rohrabacher taking money from Putin (that they tried to brush off as a joke after swearing to keep it in the GOP family)?

Many questions that are not answered by Barr's letter nor do their very existence seem to fit within any context of what he was telling us. There was a lot of evidence of conspiracy. It's hard to prove so maybe there wasn't enough. But Barr doesn't tell us that.

There is something wrong here. This does not add up.

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