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Mon Mar 25, 2019, 08:47 AM

AOC: Removing 'Horrific' Trump Won't Solve Our 'Much Deeper Problems'

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AOC: Removing ‘Horrific’ Trump Won’t Solve Our ‘Much Deeper Problems’
Freshman congresswoman says the president alone isn’t the problem. It’s the party that embraced him.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-trump-symptom_n_5c98612fe4b057f7330c97e8

By Ed Mazza



“He can stay, he can go. He can be impeached, or voted out in 2020,” she wrote on Twitter, then added:

“But removing Trump will not remove the infrastructure of an entire party that embraced him; the dark money that funded him; the online radicalization that drummed his army; nor the racism he amplified + reanimated.”

Ocasio-Cortez said those deeper problems included income inequality, racism, corruption and a willingness to excuse bigotry. And those, she wrote, can’t be fixed with an election:


It’s not as easy as voting. It means having uncomfortable moments convos w/ loved ones, w/ media, w/ those we disagree, and yes - within our own party, too.

It’s on all of us.
— Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@AOC) March 24, 2019

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This is an important voice American voice. I am more impressed by her daily.

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Reply AOC: Removing 'Horrific' Trump Won't Solve Our 'Much Deeper Problems' (Original post)
marble falls Mar 2019 OP
ck4829 Mar 2019 #1
Turbineguy Mar 2019 #2
WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2019 #3
uponit7771 Mar 2019 #4
shanny Mar 2019 #39
uponit7771 Mar 2019 #41
shanny Mar 2019 #43
FM123 Mar 2019 #53
shanny Mar 2019 #66
2naSalit Mar 2019 #5
Takket Mar 2019 #6
ginnyinWI Mar 2019 #7
marble falls Mar 2019 #82
TommyCelt Mar 2019 #19
Lonestarblue Mar 2019 #37
True Blue American Mar 2019 #59
global1 Mar 2019 #8
mwb970 Mar 2019 #9
LovingA2andMI Mar 2019 #10
TygrBright Mar 2019 #11
c-rational Mar 2019 #12
Buzz Lightyear Mar 2019 #13
marble falls Mar 2019 #14
ck4829 Mar 2019 #49
marble falls Mar 2019 #68
LovingA2andMI Mar 2019 #18
KPN Mar 2019 #21
KG Mar 2019 #22
Major Nikon Mar 2019 #26
marble falls Mar 2019 #69
demmiblue Mar 2019 #52
HopeAgain Mar 2019 #54
DeminPennswoods Mar 2019 #15
Pepsidog Mar 2019 #16
Cosmocat Mar 2019 #44
ck4829 Mar 2019 #50
Dave Starsky Mar 2019 #17
krkaufman Mar 2019 #32
KPN Mar 2019 #20
watoos Mar 2019 #23
George II Mar 2019 #24
krkaufman Mar 2019 #28
Autumn Mar 2019 #25
colorado_ufo Mar 2019 #34
Autumn Mar 2019 #45
George II Mar 2019 #48
colorado_ufo Mar 2019 #63
Autumn Mar 2019 #65
Autumn Mar 2019 #85
George II Mar 2019 #86
Autumn Mar 2019 #87
George II Mar 2019 #88
Autumn Mar 2019 #89
oldsoftie Mar 2019 #80
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Major Nikon Mar 2019 #27
krkaufman Mar 2019 #29
whathehell Mar 2019 #33
whathehell Mar 2019 #30
Hoyt Mar 2019 #31
whathehell Mar 2019 #35
Buckeyeblue Mar 2019 #36
Mariana Mar 2019 #90
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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 08:52 AM

1. K&R

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 08:53 AM

2. Spot on.

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 08:53 AM

3. CORRECT. K&R

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 08:54 AM

4. We don't want Russia helping Trump in 2020 !!! That's the issue, not solving KGOP screw ups

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #4)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 11:24 AM

39. Shouldn't have been close enough to steal. eom

 

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Response to shanny (Reply #39)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 11:26 AM

41. Text book RWTP and a non sequitur, help is help .. we don't want that from Russia again.

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #41)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 11:31 AM

43. I fear you will have to expand your definition of "RW"

 

Reacting on MSNBC Sunday to Attorney General William Barr’s summary of special counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia probe report, Buttigieg warned Democrats that “we’ve got to be paying attention to the kinds of conditions that made it possible for somebody like [Trump] to get here in the first place.”

“I would argue a figure like this president should never have been able to come within cheating distance of the Oval Office, and I fear that if we’re not paying attention to the causes that he’s a symptom of, then not only is it possible for him to succeed in 2020, but we could also find ourselves with another figure like him or even worse in the future,” he said.”


eta: "RWTP" admits they had to steal it? really?

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Response to shanny (Reply #43)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 12:26 PM

53. I remember Mayor Pete saying that to Rev Sharpton along with most of what AOC just said.

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Response to FM123 (Reply #53)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 02:09 PM

66. +1

 

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 08:56 AM

5. She obviously gets it

and is masterful in articulating her points. I hope she stays with us for a while and inspires others in the direction we need to go.

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 09:00 AM

6. I have felt this as well.

Even when drumpf is gone we are left with the ugly festering wound that he has torn the scab off of.

The undeniable truth that a ROCK SOLID 1/3 of our country is :

Stupid
Filled with hate
Completely racist

That is a BAD combination.

And they are not going ANYWHERE

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Response to Takket (Reply #6)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 09:07 AM

7. I would also say that they are

under-educated and economically stressed to the point where they are looking for a savior who is going to fix everything. In other words, they are very vulnerable to the next demigod who comes along and promises them the moon!

Edited to add: they are also the very group that Dem policies would help the most. But they are brain-washed against Democrats.

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Response to ginnyinWI (Reply #7)

Tue Mar 26, 2019, 07:55 AM

82. Thats what gets me, too - the idea the wealthy need political support from the poor ...

because one day the poor could be wealthy, too. Wealth is not the product of sharing, its the product of gathering and keeping it in the hands of as few as possible.

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Response to Takket (Reply #6)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 10:00 AM

19. I think our bigger problem...

...is the idea that the rock-solid 1/3 may be more than that, as more of these true believers become emboldened by this climate.

My country looks less and less like my country every single day.



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Response to TommyCelt (Reply #19)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 11:13 AM

37. I agree with you.

We tend to think of Trump’s core voters as those in rural areas who are undereducated and depend only on Fox News for their daily dose of propaganda. But the suburbs are also bastions of Trump support among those who want to pay as little tax as possible and want their children to go to Christian or charter schools paid for by other taxpayers or public schools that are located in their white, well-off communities where few people of color live. These people are mostly well educated, and they may not particularly like Trump, but he fulfills their wishes for preserving their white privilege.

Here’s an example from here in Texas. We do not have a state income tax, so the cost of education falls heavily on property taxes, which have become too steep for average earners to afford in many areas. The state uses a “Robin Hood” approach to transfer tax dollars from the wealthier districts to poor ones that do not raise as much prooerty tax money. Some parents in wealthy districts have been arguing for the state to abandon that practice because they argue that the taxes they pay should be used only for their schools, which of course are primarily white. The notion that taxes should be used for the benefit of all and that the nation benefits from the education of all kids takes a back seat to their selfishness and protection of their own privilege. This group is larger than we might believe and I think helps to explain the 80% or so Republicans who think Trump is doing a great job.

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Response to Lonestarblue (Reply #37)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 01:09 PM

59. Same here. Money tolen to feed the Charter Schools

That were formed to rip off tax payers.

Scandal after Scandal from the Governers friends until we had this. In the last budget he took so much away from Education his Republican Legislature put it back.

https://www.cleveland.com/opinion/2018/08/both_democratic_and_gop_office.html

Keep in mind that is that nice, moderate Christian Republican

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 09:08 AM

8. AOC Has Got It.....

and we must not make the same mistake in 2020 as we did in 2016. The Dems need to run against the Repug Party and not make the 2020 election solely about Trump. Trump is the big distraction - as the Repug Party - slowly dismantles this Democracy.

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 09:17 AM

9. I had dinner with four friends Saturday evening.

They all took turns saying how "stupid" and "idiotic" AOC is, blissfully unaware of the Overton Window and her role in expanding the range of opinions under discussion, a necessary prerequisite to change. They are not just missing the forest for the trees; they are missing the forest while harshly critiquing one tiny piece of bark on one tree.

I didn't say anything.

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 09:17 AM

10. On This One....

She's right on point. We are operating from BEHIND the 8-Ball as it relates to what fuels Trump and why Election 2016 went down the way it did. We are also operating in fantasy land thinking the Rule of Law will "Save The Day". The Rule of Law has been broken beyond repair until we face the facts outlined above and realize MONEY CONTROLS THE GAME, POWER CONTROLS MONEY ---- unless we fix it, which is doubtful as hell at this point.

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 09:22 AM

11. This woman has a gift for essentials that amounts to genius. n/t

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 09:24 AM

12. Well said and spot on. I am currently reading The Unwinding - An Inner History of The New

America by George Packer (Than you to the DUer that recommended it), and both the book and my observations tell me it took us a longtime to get to this point. Once we retake the White House and the Senate there will be a lot of heavy lifting required.

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 09:25 AM

13. She couldn't help but trash our party

 

at the end.

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Response to Buzz Lightyear (Reply #13)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 09:28 AM

14. That's a stretch.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #14)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 12:04 PM

49. Laffy taffy

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Response to ck4829 (Reply #49)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 05:11 PM

68. Especially on a Democratic website.

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Response to Buzz Lightyear (Reply #13)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 09:45 AM

18. Welcome To DU....

With 13 Posts In The TRUTH can be hard to hear but it pops up around here every now and then without Spin. Might want to get use to it.

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Response to Buzz Lightyear (Reply #13)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 10:08 AM

21. Trash our party?! Nothing of the sort. WTF?

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Response to Buzz Lightyear (Reply #13)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 10:12 AM

22. I LOL'd

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Response to Buzz Lightyear (Reply #13)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 10:45 AM

26. Your concern is noted

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #26)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 05:14 PM

69. Noted and highlighted.

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Response to Buzz Lightyear (Reply #13)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 12:10 PM

52. Lol. n/t

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Response to Buzz Lightyear (Reply #13)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 12:30 PM

54. Oh no!

Criticism. [Much pearl clutching].

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 09:35 AM

15. She is right once again

nt

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 09:36 AM

16. She is wise beyond her years

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Response to Pepsidog (Reply #16)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 11:33 AM

44. She is

nm

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Response to Pepsidog (Reply #16)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 12:04 PM

50. Agreed

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 09:36 AM

17. AOC, once again, cutting through the horseshit like a light saber. n/t

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Response to Dave Starsky (Reply #17)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 10:50 AM

32. watch out...

I think that's a mixed metaphor you stepped-in.

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 10:04 AM

20. Kicked!

Wow! There are some in DC who give me real hope. She is one. She may be the best of them in this regard. Her words are like pictures.

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 10:13 AM

23. Her gift, which few Democrats have,

 

is being able to change the narrative. This is why Republicans fear her. The far right American oligarchs control the narrative, control cable news, yes even msnbc. I turned on msnbc at 9 AM today to have distraction while I was riding my bike. Chris Jansen was on and I couldn't quite reach the remote to turn the TV off so I agonized for 35 minutes. Wow, I mean, I only watch Nicolle Wallace and Rachel and I can see why, msnbc is almost as bad as Fox.

I did see a promo while I was riding that AOC will be on Chris Hayes tonight so I will tune in to that.

Al Franken had the gift to change the far right narrative, it's why they took him out.

I cringe when I see "Democrats" attacking AOC. One doesn't have to agree with all of her ideas, I don't, but I also think she is top 3 in importance to the Democratic party.

Not to mention, she will turn out the young voters.

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 10:37 AM

24. Like no one else has been saying that for the last 2+ years?

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Response to George II (Reply #24)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 10:47 AM

28. Not nearly enough

So much focus is just on Trump being a bad guy, Trump's "hostile takeover" of the GOP, rather than Trump simply being inevitable given the core problems of the GOP.

Trump is just a symptom, the gangrenous foot of the diabetic. With the foot removed, the root disease will remain, fostered by the unhealthy media diet fed to the GOP base.

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 10:44 AM

25. She's right. Maybe we need to lower the age requirement to run for president.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #25)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 10:53 AM

34. That's exactly what Michael Moore said!

He is a huge fan of AOC!

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Response to colorado_ufo (Reply #34)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 11:36 AM

45. Today's problems require a new way of thinking.

Young people have vastly different ideas than entrenched politicians.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #45)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 12:02 PM

48. Yes, especially since much of what she said our President Obama has said several times.

Instead of lowering the age limit, maybe we should repeal the Twenty Second Amendment?

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Response to George II (Reply #48)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 01:49 PM

63. I would not want to be saddled with anyone president forever.

Well I am a big fan of AOC, no matter how brilliant a young person is, there is nothing to substitute a certain level up experience. That can only be gained through time.

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Response to George II (Reply #48)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 02:02 PM

65. I'll pass on that, I would hate a lifetime of Trump. nt

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Response to George II (Reply #48)

Tue Mar 26, 2019, 09:35 AM

85. Better yet, what does Obama and the 22nd amendment have to do with what AOC said?

Why bring it up here at all? Do you have no opinion on what AOC said? I really don't need an answer, I know why you brought it up. Have a wonderful day George.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #85)

Tue Mar 26, 2019, 10:18 AM

86. Well, since you're saying they should lower the age for presidents....

....based on something someone said that Obama has said several times before, perhaps we should find a way to allow the person who said it originally to be president again, i.e., repeal the 22nd amendment?

The reason I "brought it up here at all" is that what everyone is happy about is something that has been said a number of times by President Obama.

If you know why I brought it up (which you don't, actually), why even ask the question?

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Response to George II (Reply #86)

Tue Mar 26, 2019, 10:39 AM

87. George, you are a sticker for staying on topic.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #87)

Tue Mar 26, 2019, 10:40 AM

88. Yes I am (PS, it's "stickler")

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Response to George II (Reply #88)

Tue Mar 26, 2019, 10:44 AM

89. Damn auto correct. Oh well, you get the drift George.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #25)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 11:17 PM

80. 34 is young enough.

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Response to oldsoftie (Reply #80)

Tue Mar 26, 2019, 09:05 AM

83. I think 30 might be young enough.

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 10:46 AM

27. Trump isn't the problem, he's a symptom of the problem

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #27)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 10:48 AM

29. Concur

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #27)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 10:50 AM

33. He's both. n/t.

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 10:50 AM

30. First things first. n/t.

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 10:50 AM

31. She's right on this. The election is in 19 months, voters become the judge.

The only thing that has changed since this weekend is that it is highly unlikely trump will be removed from office before the end of his first term. He's still a criminal, cad, racist, bigot, POS, buffoon, etc.

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 10:56 AM

35. No, getting rid of Trump won't cure the Heartbreak of Psoriasis, either.

but it is a start.

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 11:09 AM

36. I don't want to over simplify the root cause but...

To me the root cause is that the active minority in this country of "Christian" evangelicals lost their shit over the popularity that the Obama's have with the country and world. They fly in the face of everything the evangelicals are against:

Diversity
Equality in a marriage
Intelligence enhanced by formal education
A minority in a position of power
A worldview of humanity
A strong woman (a strong black woman)

The Clinton's drove this group crazy because they hit many of these sore points but they were white.

The cure is more time. These people will eventually die out, even quicker now that they don't want to immunize. I don't see a middle ground.

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Response to Buckeyeblue (Reply #36)

Tue Mar 26, 2019, 11:23 AM

90. The majority of Christians voted for Trump in 2016.

It wasn't a minority of Christians, and it wasn't just Evangelicals. It's not helpful to pretend this isn't true.

Non-Christians, on the other hand, voted overwhelmingly for Clinton.



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Response to Mariana (Reply #90)

Tue Mar 26, 2019, 12:17 PM

91. But the extremists Christians that voted for trump are a minority in our population

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Response to Buckeyeblue (Reply #91)

Tue Mar 26, 2019, 02:11 PM

92. How can a majority of Christians be called "extremists?

They are the mainstream.

A minority of the population voted for Clinton, too, although it was a larger minority than voted for Trump. More eligible voters stayed home than voted for either of them.

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Response to Mariana (Reply #92)

Tue Mar 26, 2019, 03:50 PM

93. I'm not saying a majority of Christians are extremists

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Response to Buckeyeblue (Reply #93)

Tue Mar 26, 2019, 03:52 PM

94. So, some non-extremist Christians voted for Trump. Yes? nt.

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 11:21 AM

38. AOC is Presidential material.

Last edited Mon Mar 25, 2019, 09:50 PM - Edit history (1)

Updating and my bad: AOC is what I meant

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Response to zentrum (Reply #38)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 05:33 PM

71. Who's OAC?

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Response to Trumpocalypse (Reply #71)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 09:50 PM

78. Yikes. Thanks.

I'm very very rattled today from the Mueller report. But still.

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is Presidential material.

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 11:25 AM

40. She is Absolutely Right

The problems go much deeper than Trump. He is merely a toxic symptom.

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 11:29 AM

42. am impressed by her daily.

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 11:45 AM

46. But, if a Dem was pulling just a little of the shit tRump pulled repugs would be voting every day

to impeach, to censure, raising all sorts of hell. When has taking the high road ever helped the Democratic party or the country when dealing with fascists. Its war.

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 11:51 AM

47. Aren't We All

How can so much wisdom be packed into a 29 year old head. And, importantly, it is not going to her head.

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 12:09 PM

51. who's made the argument that it will?

This isn't rocket science. Bit of a strawman.

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 12:36 PM

55. True but it's a big start on the problem

Removing 'Horrific' Trump Won't Solve Our 'Much Deeper Problems' But it will take care of an immediate problem of a severe security breach in the WH called Traitor Trump.

The real problem is that we allow a handful of infinitely greedy and nasty men to own over 50% of a nation's wealth. Those men are going to always f*ck up our democracy because they can. They don't want no stinking democracy, they want a dictatorship of their choosing. Hence the traitor and Nazi Trump.

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 12:40 PM

56. The infrastucture that created Trump will still be standing even if he loses in 2020.

We didn't think that they could do worse than W., but we were wrong.

Now, we don't think that they could do worse than Trump, but we are wrong about that as well.

They can and will do worse than Trump if that infrastructure is left standing.

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 12:53 PM

57. k and r

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 01:08 PM

58. Yeah, that much is true regardless of the report

 

No matter what the final report will indicate, these problems have been aparently since well before "President Trump" was even a possiblity. Need to crush Republicans at every level, regain the narrative, and get people to feel that we're fundamentally superior. They've gained so much ground in propaganda dissemination, education, and election favortism that everything is an uphill battle. Marginalized people are the first to feel the effects of these failures, and they're a huge part of our base.

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 01:09 PM

60. Yeah

The uncomfortable conservation's that she is talking about having is bs, It got me in a fist fight, good luck trying to communicate with people that are brain washed by a cult, let me know how that all work out for you all.Voting these SOBS out is the only solution.

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 01:10 PM

61. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread marble falls.

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Response to Uncle Joe (Reply #61)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 10:13 PM

79. I find a good one once in a while. I've been waiting for a 'cooling off' from AOC ...

but she's kept her head and kept up the pressure. She's one of the most calm and collected members of Congress.

And she was right about Amazon. No more welfare checks to Jeff Bezos and his ilk.

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 01:40 PM

62. kick

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 02:02 PM

64. "It did not start with Donald Trump. He is a symptom, not the cause."

Obama told students at the University of Illinois on Friday. “He’s just capitalizing on resentments that politicians have been fanning for years.”
September, 2018

http://fortune.com/2018/09/07/obama-trump-speech/

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #64)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 02:21 PM

67. I think that people are responding to her more direct and blunt speech.

I love President Obama's speeches and he was certainly in a very different and unique situation but the one criticism I have is that there were times, that speech being one of them, where he did not name names. President Obama was always very erudite and diplomatic. There were obvious times when he struck back and could lay a verbal beat down on someone, but mainly he did not go to ground with Republicans.

In the speech you cited he said, "the status quo pushes back" which is true, but WHO is the status quo?

People are reacting to AOC because she speaks more plainly but still maintains an air of professionalism. She calls out Trump by name and says plainly that the Republicans who allow Trump to do the horrific things he is doing is actually a bigger problem because it actually is their intention and their agenda that he is undertaking.

I know that it seems annoying that many people are anointing AOC before she has served even a full term as REP but you have to admit that she is definitely helping to put out an anti-Republican narrative that is upsetting the Republicans because she is correct.

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 05:31 PM

70. That's NOT a good reason to reduce the priority of getting him out of office


AOC should caveat her comments better, otherwise this sounds like a comment from a privileged position.

For waaayyy too many people, his being in office is a danger and in some ways, all Americans given his lack of regard in foreign policy, not mention being OWNED by Putin.

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Response to themaguffin (Reply #70)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 05:36 PM

72. No atter what, he's going out by Jan 20 2021. What's much more critical is nailing down ...

some of those narrow squeak Congressional wins from last November. We need to lock on the relativity few Senate seats, we need to get people registered and voting.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #72)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 05:58 PM

73. No matter what, he SHOULD go out on that date, but we cannot assume and victory in Nov.

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Response to themaguffin (Reply #73)

Tue Mar 26, 2019, 09:23 AM

84. Yes, we were all sure he was going to lose in '16. I know i was. Even though most dont like him,

dont assume that means they'll go vote for a Dem instead. There are 3 outcomes; stay with trump, stay home or vote for the Dem. Whoever the Democrtic candidate is, they need to at least make sure the first option doesnt happen

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 07:29 PM

74. It would be a goddamn start!

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 07:43 PM

75. Yep. Our fascist election process will still be in place.

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 09:24 PM

76. She hit the base problems on the head.

I have to disagree that the problem long term is a particular party. Before alerting on me, let me explain.

The post 1865 Democratic Party was a deeply or heavily racist party up until 1932 when it began to morph toward the party that the Democratic Party is today. Southern racists and their northern allies still had a hard grip on the party until Hubert Himphrey and other early progressives began to challenge them, resulting in the division's seen at the 1948 Democratic Party Convention. Southern racists began to peel away from the party looking for a refuge, but could not fully find that with the old Republican Party, which was pro business but not yet pro segregation. Then along came the Civil Rights Act and southern racists went nuts. The Republican Party saw that Blacjs were going more Democratic Party, so it started to welcome in southern politicians. Then came Barry Goldwater in 1965 with his very overt appeal to harsh racial feelings, he performed well in the South and some places in the West. Richard Nixon and his people saw how well Goldwater did in the South and devised the "Southern Strategy" to take advantage of White southerners' hatreds (not all southerners, but a buttload of them). With the southern strategy, the Republican Party went full tilt racist, while the Democratic Party continued to move toward equality for everyone. Then came other issues like women's rights, LGBTQ rights and the nation started betting browner as racial diversity increased. The Democratic Party embraced the change and welcomed in those on the outside, the Republican Party entrenched more around it's mostly White, intolerant base. Then came more Muslims in the country, and we come to where we are today.

This is the point that I want to make. The hardcore racist, mysogonist, anti immigrant, Islamophobic base of the Republican Party REALLY does not care which party does it's bidding as long as it can win elections with whatever party it is aligned with. I don't remotely believe that the Democratic Party will ever again do their bidding. I also believe that the majority of the country is drifting away from them toward more freedoms. What the haters will do is attach themselves to the most popular movement, we are seeing that with racists loving an obstensively progressive message that is being espoused by some people (not necessarily politicians, they can be writers, news people, businesspeople). The haters will latch themselves to whatever wins and can maintain influence in the country's affairs for them.
I have travelled to a lot of places and now several parts of the country well. One thing that I notice in my republican majority county is the number of interacial children, yesterday I was out and noticed around five families, three of them were interacial families. I really do not see that anywhere else in the country by casual observation when in a predominantly White part of my town going about my business. My part of the South is changing, we are getting more and more racially blended families, in a cludgy way Mark Meadows hit on that by his claim that he has interacial nephews and nieces to ward off being called a racist (he is). At some point places like my county will be vastly different in a positive way, that will leave the racists and haters scurrying for another refuge. So who knows where they will find it. They could find it with the stinking remnants of the Republican Party, or they may find it with people (and they won't necessarily be conservative democrats) that split off from our party. AOC is right on what the cancers are, but they can morp into places where we least suspect them to go.

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Mon Mar 25, 2019, 09:47 PM

77. Must be an amazing rush to have the reich wingers and their media listen to your every word....

"amazing rush", but not necessarily a great feeling. This freshman congresswoman definitely needs time to settle in to the new gig, but fox, limpballs, vannity, and every other reich wing pig hangs on her every word. Gives them something to unite around....hatred.

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Response to marble falls (Original post)

Tue Mar 26, 2019, 02:48 AM

81. Wrong!

Trump is the immediate problem and it damn sure matters whether he stays or goes.
He can do quite a few things as we have seen. The craven GOP won’t stop him.
If we do not get rid of him ASAP, he will continue to cause chaos.

In the long run, she is right. However, we are not going to have a long run if he or his ilk stays.

Her answer is short-sighted.

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