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global1

(25,241 posts)
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 08:46 AM Mar 2019

Just Heard Jeremy Bash On AM Joe Say The Following About Trump....

Trump asked for Russian assistance.
Trump received Russian assistance.
Trump benefited from Russian assistance.
Trump rewarded Russian assistance.

I never heard it said quite so concisely.

And yet the Barr Letter/Mueller Report tells us there was 'no collusion'`

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Just Heard Jeremy Bash On AM Joe Say The Following About Trump.... (Original Post) global1 Mar 2019 OP
K&R. n/t rzemanfl Mar 2019 #1
Barr said no collusion. Haven't read Mueller's Laura PourMeADrink Mar 2019 #2
I think Mueller's report presents the evidence NewJeffCT Mar 2019 #5
It's only successful because he's given republicans exactly what they want to hear. gtar100 Mar 2019 #11
We need to better propel a true narrative in the media pangaia Mar 2019 #33
+1. There is no such thing as Barr Letter/Mueller Report. Two different things. lagomorph777 Mar 2019 #35
K&R! secondwind Mar 2019 #3
All repubs ran on preexisting medical condition Now want to get rid of it onit2day Mar 2019 #25
Oh yes PatSeg Mar 2019 #4
Mueller was trying to prove criminal conspiracy, watoos Mar 2019 #6
Bingo misanthrope Mar 2019 #14
Thank You nini Mar 2019 #17
+1, not only that but Mueller only looked into Russian ... ***GOVERNMENT*** not Russians uponit7771 Mar 2019 #18
yes Grasswire2 Mar 2019 #29
Barr is high, all right. lagomorph777 Mar 2019 #36
And lied about it. rainin Mar 2019 #7
Bash is CIA. roamer65 Mar 2019 #8
asked, received, benefited, rewarded... dajoki Mar 2019 #9
Wonder if Mueller and Barr have done this this way to set trump up even more duforsure Mar 2019 #10
I don't think so SHRED Mar 2019 #20
No. Grasswire2 Mar 2019 #30
It's called by law "aiding and abetting a hostile foreign power," which makes it a high crime. It's ancianita Mar 2019 #12
The Barr Letter is NOT the Mueller Report. GoCubsGo Mar 2019 #13
100% on point... berksdem Mar 2019 #15
Yes, thank you! lagomorph777 Mar 2019 #37
Barr does not speak for the country, the Barr press release is meaningless. It will take all our war yaesu Mar 2019 #16
Anytime Mr Bash is on TV I look forward to it saljr1 Mar 2019 #19
Notice that he rarely blinks. Grasswire2 Mar 2019 #31
What pisses me off about Scarborough is that the headline on his op ed in the Post this Nitram Mar 2019 #21
Mueller was actually tasked with finding cilla4progress Mar 2019 #22
Only way for Mueller to thread that needle shanny Mar 2019 #23
Not enough evidence for criminal charge of collusion. onit2day Mar 2019 #24
The Barr letter tells us that. Different Drummer Mar 2019 #26
Michelle Goldberg, NYT column today (Tuesday March 26) MBS Mar 2019 #27
K&R Docreed2003 Mar 2019 #28
Barr may be denying the report (to save his job) until a court or public opinions says... machoneman Mar 2019 #32
I believe SDNY is Federal so Trump can pardon. Ligyron Mar 2019 #42
Then he lied about Russian contacts and assistance and tried to stop investigation wishstar Mar 2019 #34
Would they fight so hard to keep it hidden if it really exonerates him? Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2019 #38
K&R highplainsdem Mar 2019 #39
I like that guy ....Mr. Jeremy Bash. nt UniteFightBack Mar 2019 #40
With rTumps raging narcissistic, bullying personality he had to "win" the election at all cost. trickyguy Mar 2019 #41
 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
2. Barr said no collusion. Haven't read Mueller's
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 09:31 AM
Mar 2019

words yet. Although they are working together now so hard to imagine they are diametrically opposed?

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
5. I think Mueller's report presents the evidence
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 09:35 AM
Mar 2019

with the intention of letting Congress decide. Barr is saying "nothing to see here" because he believes the president is basically above the law and he's trying to control the narrative and the media, and that's been 98% successful so far.

gtar100

(4,192 posts)
11. It's only successful because he's given republicans exactly what they want to hear.
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 10:09 AM
Mar 2019

The tenacity of the reporting in the media is the result of their influence in the media. And that is their fortè - propelling false narratives forward into the public attention. But we still have time and the fact that the Mueller report hasn't even been released yet means that they may have tipped their hand a little too soon. The truth has a way with fools that no one controls.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
6. Mueller was trying to prove criminal conspiracy,
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 09:49 AM
Mar 2019

which has a high bar. One has to prove criminal intent, something hard to do if one doesn't interview the subject to ascertain his state of mind.

Of course there was collusion, that's a given.

misanthrope

(7,411 posts)
14. Bingo
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 10:19 AM
Mar 2019

It seems perfectly reasonable that Barr summarized things in the way best for his boss and without changing the general conclusion of Mueller's report if we bear in mind that the special counsel was trying to build a case on direct evidence. There's a lot of degrees of culpability possible without meeting a threshold for indictment.

It's like conflating "innocent" with "not guilty." They aren't the same at all.

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
10. Wonder if Mueller and Barr have done this this way to set trump up even more
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 10:06 AM
Mar 2019

With sealed indictments waiting for them all , and to gather more information that can be used to conclusively prove trump committed both obstruction , and conspired actively with putin and russia to insure he'd win. With lots of criminal indictments sealed and waiting to use against them watch how long before trump tries to start firing people involved that could do that to him and his family. Like he has done with an AG, and an FBI head , but Barr realizes he's a crook and very, very dangerous after seeing the Mueller report . Justice will prevail , and Mueller will be a hero for what he's done when its all exposed and comes out. trump and his family will be held accountable for it all hopefully. Could it be they waiting to organized a complete strike against them all , and all at once? Collecting all materials , and uncover evidence they've tried to destroy? We haven't heard the last of Robert Mueller's cases against trump and his family. He's too smart for this to not be finished .

ancianita

(36,023 posts)
12. It's called by law "aiding and abetting a hostile foreign power," which makes it a high crime. It's
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 10:09 AM
Mar 2019

not Mueller's call to interpret and adjudicate Trump's actions. It's up to Congress and the courts.

yaesu

(8,020 posts)
16. Barr does not speak for the country, the Barr press release is meaningless. It will take all our war
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 10:53 AM
Mar 2019

against the fascists to get to the whole & full truth of the Mueller report. I just hope our party is ready for that war, no high road crap, that have to get NASTY!

saljr1

(273 posts)
19. Anytime Mr Bash is on TV I look forward to it
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 11:14 AM
Mar 2019

He is the most wise, measured and concise analyst I have heard. I have a ton of respect for him because of his years of service in government.

Nitram

(22,791 posts)
21. What pisses me off about Scarborough is that the headline on his op ed in the Post this
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 11:30 AM
Mar 2019

morning read, "You lost this one, Democrats. Now move on." What the fuck! Doesn't he mean "WE" lost this one? Is he pivoting that fast to get back on the side he thinks is winning?

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
23. Only way for Mueller to thread that needle
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 11:47 AM
Mar 2019

is to differentiate between Russia and Russians--i.e. the government per se v. connected-but-plausibly-deniable individuals.

I'll bet that is clear in the Mueller Report--which is why they want to hide it with the Barr letter.

I find it hard to believe that Mueller will allow / has allowed his work to be derailed like this. Or maybe that's just not in his job description.

Different Drummer

(7,613 posts)
26. The Barr letter tells us that.
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 12:39 PM
Mar 2019

We haven't seen the Mueller report, so it's impossible to make a judgment on that just yet.

MBS

(9,688 posts)
27. Michelle Goldberg, NYT column today (Tuesday March 26)
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 01:00 PM
Mar 2019

Her concluding sentence (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/25/opinion/mueller-report-trump.html)

If Trump thinks he has been vindicated, then what is he hiding?

And I'd add, if he and his cronies are so innocent, why all the lies about their connections to and interactions with Russians?



machoneman

(4,006 posts)
32. Barr may be denying the report (to save his job) until a court or public opinions says...
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 01:07 PM
Mar 2019

he must release it. Then, he can claim a mea culpa to Trump and wash his hands of it. Then, on the matter of no testimony by Trump, the kids, etc., doing so, even if they admitted guilt in court and offered themselves up to a jury charge, Trump could easily pardon them all in a heartbeat, as we know.

Ah, but the SDNY charges can't be pardoned, as we know. So, even if Mueller's team couldn't get Trump, knowing that the SDNY could get him after he leaves office an actually thrown the bum in jail, why the hand-wringing now?

I'd be glad to see almost all of his evil cabal in jail by 2020 just before the election. Imagine how that will look to even his most ardent backers?

Ligyron

(7,627 posts)
42. I believe SDNY is Federal so Trump can pardon.
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 10:08 PM
Mar 2019

We have to hope in NY State and their killer AG to bring the Trump cabal to justice.

wishstar

(5,268 posts)
34. Then he lied about Russian contacts and assistance and tried to stop investigation
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 04:06 PM
Mar 2019

The past 5 days has been the most shocking gaslighting whitewash of an investigation I've ever seen

My spouse has been so enraged bordering on unhinged and I have been so sickened and disheartened that we have blocked all of the networks and cable channels from our TV's and any channels including business channels where there is any chance we have to look at or listen to the monster in WH and his enablers and media pundits acting like all of this never happened that we clearly witnessed.

trickyguy

(769 posts)
41. With rTumps raging narcissistic, bullying personality he had to "win" the election at all cost.
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 09:08 PM
Mar 2019

We know he hated "crooked Hilary" and would do anything to defeat her.

After all, she was winning the debates, called him a puppet and would have won if the
game didn't get rigged in his favor.

We know he's enough of a low life to accept any help from anyone - and Putin and gang were available.

So it would be really easy for a corrupt candidate like him to ask for and accept any help he could get, even
if it came from one of America's known adversaries. What did he care?

So he asked and Russia helped him and Russia benefitted from it. And ultimately, so did rTump.

It's exactly what bullies do to win. CHEAT.

And we're the real losers in this game. We got stuck with a liar and a thief in the
Oval Office.

But most bullies see their day coming and rTumps time is just about up.



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