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allgood33

(1,584 posts)
Tue Mar 26, 2019, 11:36 PM Mar 2019

If Mueller and crew could not tell what Trump's intention was from the Lester Holt interview,

Mueller and crew are not the finest minds I thought they were. That alone was enough basis for determining obstruction of justice. Trump's intent, out of his own mouth was to stop nay Russian investigation. Instead, it got him Mueller.

On the threat to go after HRC and the Obama administration by Lindsey Graham and others, I say let them open a full and public investigation. We will learn that Trump was briefed about the Russian interference on multiple occasions and ignored the warning. We will learn that Trump was warned about Flynn and ignored the warnings. We will learn that Harry Reid (i hope is called as a witness) tried to get McConnel to open an investigation into the Russian alleged collusion and interfernece in our election but McConnel refused to bring it before the Senate. Those are only a few of the things we will learn again.

I think the GOP will be making a really big mistake in doing this but I am more than happy to have them do it. We will also learn how much evidence there was to get that FISA warrant. We will also learn that Obama should have been more aggressive in exposing the Russian interference but didn't want to do (what we know Trump would lhave done) appear to be trying to influence the election in Hillary's favor.

i say BRING IT, Lindsey.

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If Mueller and crew could not tell what Trump's intention was from the Lester Holt interview, (Original Post) allgood33 Mar 2019 OP
In fairness to Meuller, he may have similar sentiments to you Jarqui Mar 2019 #1
Barr Wont Release FULL Report In Weeks Only Another "Summary" !!! uponit7771 Mar 2019 #2

Jarqui

(10,122 posts)
1. In fairness to Meuller, he may have similar sentiments to you
Wed Mar 27, 2019, 12:49 AM
Mar 2019

but he may have tried to follow DOJ policy that they do not indict a sitting President. So he collected the evidence on both sides of the obstruction debate and reported it - stressing that it do not exonerate Trump - leaving it for congress to make the final decision as prosecutors for Clinton & Nixon did with their obstruction charges.

Barr hijacked where Mueller was going through no fault of Mueller. Barr is Meuller's boss.
But such a move heavily taints Mueller's intent and compromises the meaning by constricting it or usurping it.

I don't think we are going to see the report any time soon without a court fight.
I'd be anxious to call Mueller in after Barr submits his second summary and ask him a number of questions.:

Did Barr or Whittaker shut Mueller down via their control over his budget?
Did Barr curtail the spun off investigations or any ongoing cases to date.
What things got curtailed that Mueller wanted to complete?
Did Mueller feel his report was a good representation of Mueller's position?
Did Mueller feel Barr's report was a good representation of Mueller's position?
Did Mueller feel rushed to finish it?
Was evidence Mueller did not get that they might have pursued or dropped or hoped to get from further or another investigation?
Did Mueller find evidence of collusion or conspiracy - just not enough to convict?
What were the key pieces of evidence for conspiracy - for and against?
What were the key pieces of evidence for collusion (it in itself is not a crime)-for and against?
How would Mueller characterize the evidence for conspiracy?
-"scintilla of evidence"
-"reasonable suspicion evidence"
-"probable cause evidence"
-"preponderance of the evidence"
-"clear and convincing evidence"
-"beyond Reasonable Doubt evidence"
What were the key pieces of evidence for obstruction - for and against?
How would Mueller characterize the evidence for conspiracy?
-"scintilla of evidence"
-"reasonable suspicion evidence"
-"probable cause evidence"
-"preponderance of the evidence"
-"clear and convincing evidence"
-"beyond Reasonable Doubt evidence"
What were the key pieces of evidence Mueller still sought for obstruction when the report ended.
Were there outstanding cases or other areas you wanted to look or thought others should look into before the investigation was brought to an end?
Did you do everything you wanted and intended and felt comfortable ending the investigation the way you did or did the department curtail your budget to end it?

Did Mr Barr or Mr Whittaker ever cut your budget or cut it to end you investigation?

If it were not the president here, would you indict for conspiracy?
If it were not the president here, would you indict for obstruction?
Are there any other potential indictments you would look at?

Did you intend for AG Barr to make the call on obstruction for you or were you providing evidence so that congress would make that call, conforming to prior precedent on obstruction of justice by the President?.

Add in some of Rachel's 15 questions and we might make some progress.

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