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Sun Mar 31, 2019, 04:25 PM

The Orange Plague

“...But I respect his frankness. I respect his frankness for the same reasons that a ship's captain has the moral obligations to his passengers to avoid a shipwreck, if he can, and a civilized person has the same moral obligation to not only themselves to be skeptical and to demand the proof of any and all statements that claim to be one of fact! Because in the final analysis all tyranny rests in fraud and deceit, in convincing people to accept false assumptions on face-value, and any people or person who for one moment abandons or suspends that questioning spirit has, at that very moment, actually betrayed all of humanity.”
Rubin “Hurricane” Carter; February 20, 1979


If you are a Democrat, this has been a somewhat intense week. First, Attorney General Barr released a 3.5 page letter to congressional leaders, outlining his interpretation of Robert Mueller's report. While in the first couple of days that followed, some viewed the Mueller Report with suspicion. But soon enough, most recognized that this was simply what is known in political-social actions as an inoculation. Older folks here can recall several others from past times when scandal was fast approaching.

Before we look at the outstanding response from Speaker Pelosi and the six democratic party chairmen, it might be worth taking a brief look at the White House response. Before even considering Trump's shrieking that the report “totally exonerated” him, let's think …..hadn't Rudy G yelped on previous interviews that Trump's lawyers had already prepared a 92-page response to a report that hadn't been completed, and which they had not even seen?

By golly, he did! Even today, Rudy was blabbering about releasing his 92-page response to a report he still has not read. Why? This is not the only defense-mode activity we have witnessed from the president, the White House, and Trump's legal team during the second half of the week. We can be sure Rudy's 92 pages were not penned as a reaction to being exonerated. Rather, it was prepared to react to bad news.

When Trump was busy conducting what he believes is his most important activity – watching news coverage – he saw that both MSNBC and CNN were contrasting his claim of exoneration with Mr. Mueller's saying that he had not exonerated Trump. Hence, Trump contacted one of his most trusted advisers, who we will call Stephen Miller. The pair had discussed how to react to bad news from the Mueller Report numerous times. Indeed, Stephen had a secret plan.

We witnessed that plan being activated in real time: the Trump White House and administration would unleash a flurry of distractions to take attention away from what they had been calling the good news of complete exoneration. The White House revealed that the DOJ had decided to totally wipe out “Obama care.” The republican party would become the party of health care. He called for a DOJ investigation of a case in Chicago. End funding for the Special Olympics – until even the base that supports putting brown-skinned children in cages reacted against the cruelty of cutting this funding. Shut down the border with Mexico! Yeah, right. I expect that President Obama's prediction that Trump would focus on determining if the moon landing was real will come true next week.

Now, let's turn to the Democratic Party's response. Some of our Senators have been very good, of course, but it's the House leadership that has most impressed me. They reminded me of the wisdom of my friend Rubin's message in the above quoted letter to me, some 40 years ago. Barr's letter did not come close to convincing them that there was no need to read the actual report, and to then question both Barr and Mr. Mueller. I assume that they will question Rod Rosenstein, as well.

Chairman Adam Schiff's response to the republican spiders and snakes of his committee was classic. It will take its place in political history, and high school and college students will be studying it for many decades to come. Schiff's powerful presentation reminded me of Malcolm X's saying that the louder his opponents screamed, the better he knew he was doing. I can only imagine what the blubber-neck president does every time it gets played on the news.

The Mueller Report stated that they did not find enough evidence of a coordinated conspiracy between the Trump campaign and Russia to result in legal charges. Yet, as Schiff stated, there is plenty of evidence of collusion. Thus, the Democrats want full access to the report to determine how close of a call it was. If, for example, on a scale of one to ten, with ten being reason for indictment, did Mr. Mueller think the evidence rose to six? Eight? Because if it were zero, the republicans would surely want it released.

I've stated numerous times that Barr is from the House of Bush. He was loyal to Bush the Elder. That is not a compliment. He's not our friend, nor on our side. But he may not be fully for Trump. By any definition, Barr is a part of the “deep state.” If nothing else, his apparent reasoning for withholding some of the report from congress is weak, and will not hold up in federal court. As I noted last year, Nancy Pelosi has a track record of winning when she goes to court to gain access to documents a republican president seeks to withhold. And she put together a legal team for exactly this purpose around the time she was again named Speaker of the House.

One last thing. I've read a large number of questions and comments on why Mr. Mueller ended his participation in the investigation he was appointed to conduct. Was it due to Barr's unholy influence? This is a situation where the saying “he who knows 'why?' masters he who knows 'how'.” Though “how” is important – had Barr pressured Mr. Mueller, rejecting proposals to continue the investigation, he would be required to inform Congress – “why” is much more important.

Again, let's turn to Malcolm X. He often said that in conflict, don't aim at the puppet, but focus instead on the puppeteer. Barr's 19-page job application showed he was wiling to serve Trump with strings attached, and Trump alone is pulling the strings in the White House. Bob Woodward's book “Fear” – among others – described an emotionally unstable, often out-of-control president. The New York Times op-ed by “Anonymous” that came out with the book's release reinforced that image.

We know that sometime around the time Mr. Mueller spoke with Don McGhan, and learned that Trump had ordered him to fire Mueller, that Mr. Mueller began systematically handing off cases to other federal prosecutors. This resembles the Obama administration spreading documentation to numerous agencies in late 2016, so that it would not disappear under Trump. The “why” here is self-evident.

We know that people with the mental disorder that Trump has will almost always lash out when extreme pressure is put on them. (One can simply consider Trump's actions this week as an example.) People in the White House and the rest of the administration knew that he was becoming increasingly unhinged as the Mueller investigation continued over the past 90 days. We know that this was closely related to Rod Rosenstein's preparing to retire, then unexpectedly staying on until the report was released.

It is safe to say that Mr. Mueller was fully aware of the essence of Trump's being, and conducted his investigation in the best manner to protect it from Trump. It's also safe to say that both Barr and Rosenstein were aware of Trump's private rantings about the investigation, and made sure that Mr. Mueller was also aware of the increasing likelihood of Trump taking some action (or actions) to deflect and derail the investigation. Trump is aware that his republican support in DC will erode when the report becomes public. Thus. Mr. Mueller set out the information regarding obstruction – pro and con – specifically for Congress. When that happens, it is a mere matter of time before the public finds out what is in it. And that will include information about both coordination with Russia and obstruction.

Peace,
H2O Man

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H2O Man Mar 2019 OP
CaliforniaPeggy Mar 2019 #1
H2O Man Mar 2019 #5
Kurt V. Mar 2019 #2
H2O Man Mar 2019 #6
lunatica Mar 2019 #3
H2O Man Mar 2019 #8
lunatica Apr 2019 #28
malaise Mar 2019 #4
H2O Man Mar 2019 #9
kentuck Mar 2019 #7
H2O Man Mar 2019 #10
kentuck Mar 2019 #13
H2O Man Mar 2019 #15
kentuck Mar 2019 #16
H2O Man Apr 2019 #18
MartyTheGreek Mar 2019 #11
H2O Man Apr 2019 #19
volstork Mar 2019 #12
H2O Man Apr 2019 #20
coeur_de_lion Mar 2019 #14
H2O Man Apr 2019 #21
coeur_de_lion Apr 2019 #29
voteearlyvoteoften Apr 2019 #17
H2O Man Apr 2019 #22
bluestarone Apr 2019 #23
H2O Man Apr 2019 #24
kentuck Apr 2019 #25
bluestarone Apr 2019 #26
bluestarone Apr 2019 #27
BSdetect Apr 2019 #30
Mc Mike Apr 2019 #31

Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sun Mar 31, 2019, 04:37 PM

1. Very well put and developed, my dear H20 Man!

Your logic is both perfect and impeccable.

I really appreciate your synopsis of this whole episode. It's hard for me to figure out just what's going on, but now I don't need to: You did it for me and all of us.

Thank you!

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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Reply #1)

Sun Mar 31, 2019, 05:49 PM

5. Thanks, Peggy!

It certainly can be confusing at times, in part because Trump seeks to confuse, and partly because of the pace of "the news" being reported. Luckily, I'm slow by nature, and have actually achieved an even slower pace as I continue to age! (grin) It's important that people understand that, despite the often frustrating nature of republicans, we are doing as well as can be realistically expected now. That includes both the grass roots and in the House of Representatives. And we have some really good Senators, too.

The struggle with all things Trump continues. But it involves more than him as an individual. And so it's good for us to focus on both the Mueller Report et al and the 2020 elections. And they are, of course, closely related.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sun Mar 31, 2019, 04:40 PM

2. K&R

 

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Response to Kurt V. (Reply #2)

Sun Mar 31, 2019, 05:50 PM

6. Thank you!

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sun Mar 31, 2019, 05:40 PM

3. Thanks!

It will all come out in the wash.

You make it easier to understand. Trump is definitely acting guilty.

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Response to lunatica (Reply #3)

Sun Mar 31, 2019, 05:59 PM

8. Trump is guilty as sin.

First, Barr did Trump no favor in the sense of his deciding against obstruction charges, because he made clear that a president CAN be indicted. I'm sure Trump's personal legal team is less than pleased with that, considering what the SDNY has already said about Individual 1. (And, again, federal judges are indicted, at least one of whom was incarcerated, before impeachment was begun in recent times.)

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #8)

Mon Apr 1, 2019, 09:30 PM

28. Yes. I feel some confidence that he and his family will pay

for at least some of their crimes. There’s just too damn many and they can’t all be covered up.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sun Mar 31, 2019, 05:45 PM

4. Classic WaterMan

Beautifully done

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Response to malaise (Reply #4)

Sun Mar 31, 2019, 06:03 PM

9. Thank you!

I keep watching Chairman Schiff's response to the republicans, over and over. I think that "you might think it's okay ..." will be a line frequently repeated by Democratic Party candidates in next year's elections.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sun Mar 31, 2019, 05:53 PM

7. He could not succeed without help from his Republican accessories in the House and Senate.

I don't hold out a lot of hope that we will see the Report anytime soon.

Also, perhaps it is a moot point, but did Barr report that Mueller found no criminal conspiracy in the "election investigation"? Does that mean there may have been collusion or conspiracy in other matters than the "election"?

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Response to kentuck (Reply #7)

Sun Mar 31, 2019, 06:13 PM

10. I agree that Trump

couldn't pull the shit he does if republicans in DC were not willing partners. But I am confident that we will see parts of it, and learn more from leaks, in a relatively short time.

Barr did say that Mr. Mueller had not found enough evidence of conspiracy and coordination with Russia to file indictments. But the report should detail what evidence he did find. What I am curious about is if the report addresses the underlying counter-intelligence investigation; if so, Congress will have access to that, which the public will not. At least not until Woodward's next book comes out.

That will include information about how indebted to Russian interests (among others) that the Trump family actually is. In examining this, the FBI and federal prosecutors will look not only at to what degree this influences Trump's policies, but also any other illegal activities -- including other conspiracies they were involved in.

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #10)

Sun Mar 31, 2019, 07:49 PM

13. Since Trump was personally involved in most of the obstruction...

...and other questionable activities, I would expect it would be difficult to get a report that was less than 50% redacted. And that would be a conservative estimate.

I think it is telling that Barr has been back-tracking since his initial conclusions. Trump got all he needed to play his game, in my opinion.

Congress will need to press the issue very aggressively if they ever want to see the entire report.

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Response to kentuck (Reply #13)

Sun Mar 31, 2019, 11:20 PM

15. I agree completely.

There are going to be increased efforts to keep all or most of the report from the House and public. No question that it will be a tough fight. But it's a fight that, under Speaker Pelosi's leadership -- and she is supportive of all of our committee chairmen -- that the House Democrats can and will win in the courts. Speaker Pelosi has been planning for this fight. It is the central legal struggle of this era. We have a strong legal team.

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #15)

Sun Mar 31, 2019, 11:23 PM

16. There is no one better than Pelosi to fight this battle, in my opinion...

But, she will need some help from the Republican side to win this battle. I agree that this is the struggle of this era.

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Response to kentuck (Reply #16)

Mon Apr 1, 2019, 10:52 AM

18. Right.

The republicans in DC have no moral/ethical compass, nor loyalty to the Constitution. It's all about staying in office. As information from the report becomes public, they will have a tough decision to make.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sun Mar 31, 2019, 07:30 PM

11. Great insight and connecting some dots...

I entertained a similar idea that Trump would try to appeal to his base even more and even some couch Dems if he were to come out and say, I'm gonna repeal marijuana from Schedule I drug listing or even demand that prescription drugs will be cut in half or something crazy like we need the Space Farce for those UFOs or something outlandish.

So I think the next few weeks are gonna be a bit bumpy. I'm seeing my Fake Book retired .mil MAGAts post things like I knew he was crooked and that's why I voted for him. And, other odd rationalizations like the parroting of Rudy when he says of course it was ok, to deal with Ruskies, Trump's a business man.

Totally agree with you. They are now trying to socialize and explain away the bad that will come out of the report.

I found it interesting that AG Barr first said the report will be out at the end of April and over the weekend, he updated that to say, sometime mid April. Were they looking at the latest related polling data on the matter?

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Response to MartyTheGreek (Reply #11)

Mon Apr 1, 2019, 10:57 AM

19. The "space force"

really made Pence's recent speech rather dynamic, didn't it? This from a man who believes literally that Jesus is going to come down from the sky to save him. How will the space weapons tell the difference between him and a hostile alien, if he is going to render millions to everlasting hell?

Barr volunteered to place himself between a rock and a crook.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sun Mar 31, 2019, 07:39 PM

12. Thank you, H2O Man.

Your voice of reason is always reassuring.

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Response to volstork (Reply #12)

Mon Apr 1, 2019, 10:57 AM

20. Thank you!

I appreciate that!

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Sun Mar 31, 2019, 08:35 PM

14. You have an excellent grasp

Of the personalities involved and their motivations.

I’m curious about your take on Rosenstein’s behavior. Very curious.

What game do you think he’s playing?

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Response to coeur_de_lion (Reply #14)

Mon Apr 1, 2019, 11:01 AM

21. Good question.

I think Mr. Rosenstein is a dweeb. I respect that he stepped up to protect the Mueller investigation. Got to give him that. But he knows Trump is a mad man, and so what he does in the near future will help to more fully define him. He's an organization man, who needs to explain honestly why he spoke about wearing a wire.

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #21)

Tue Apr 2, 2019, 08:21 AM

29. He may have gone to the dark side

I read an article this morning about his relationship with trump and it sounded like he was kissing up just like the rest of the GOP.

Worrying.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Apr 1, 2019, 07:47 AM

17. Knr

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Response to voteearlyvoteoften (Reply #17)

Mon Apr 1, 2019, 11:01 AM

22. Thank you!

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Apr 1, 2019, 11:07 AM

23. OUTSTANDING post!!!

Was waiting to read it! You have answered many of my questions and it's GREAT to have you on our team!!!! FULL SPEED ahead to the releasing of the FULL Mueller report!! Could the democratic house read the full report on the House floor? (EACH DEM. take some pages and read away?) Anyway TYVM for this thread!!!

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Response to bluestarone (Reply #23)

Mon Apr 1, 2019, 12:22 PM

24. I'm under the impression

that a number of our members of ongress are fully prepared to read the entire report (excepting only national security issues, including three other nations' intelligence agencies information) to put it into the record.

It's important to understand, I think, that our intelligence services view Trump as, at very least, under the thumb of Putin. Hence, Trump's unAmerican foreign policies. This may be because he's been duped, due to greed and narcissism, and has hopes to finally build a Trump Tower Moscow. But the results are the same as if he had been partners in the campaign crimes.

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #24)

Mon Apr 1, 2019, 01:28 PM

25. I think he is colluding with the Republicans in the US Senate...

...to keep this Report secret.

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Response to kentuck (Reply #25)

Mon Apr 1, 2019, 02:14 PM

26. Would be nice to get some proof of this!! I fully agree here

SOMEDAY we will know the truth!!

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #24)

Mon Apr 1, 2019, 02:15 PM

27. Had to leave for awhile. THIS day if it happens (reading it on the house floor)

I will be glued to the c-span or whatever!!

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Tue Apr 2, 2019, 08:45 AM

30. If we ever get through this mess we must recall that the gop has tried every nasty trick to help

drumph and reward them spectacularly.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Tue Apr 2, 2019, 09:35 AM

31. Thanks, excellent analysis.

was busy conducting what he believes is his most important activity – watching news coverage – about himself.

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