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Demovictory9

(32,453 posts)
Sun Mar 31, 2019, 05:23 PM Mar 2019

A mentally ill man made noise in his cell...




A mentally ill man made noise in his cell.

Four police officers then stormed his cell, bashed him into a wall, punched him multiple times *in the face*, and pummeled him into the ground.

This. Is. Why. People. Kneel.
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A mentally ill man made noise in his cell... (Original Post) Demovictory9 Mar 2019 OP
I thought choke holds were banned . N/T flotsam Mar 2019 #1
That officer needs to be fired janterry Mar 2019 #2
Before they were finished (the original male had been kneeing him), 3 more men rushed in there.n/t Judi Lynn Mar 2019 #21
I don't think that they didn't have the strength. xmas74 Apr 2019 #37
That was a swat team janterry Apr 2019 #38
It still goes back to the other poster saying the women didn't have the strength xmas74 Apr 2019 #40
This is a crime against humanity malaise Mar 2019 #3
He was in a cell. Cold War Spook Mar 2019 #4
That's the first thing that came to my mind too! WTF???? Quixote1818 Mar 2019 #16
Jebus. Other than just not falling to the ground, he wasn't resisting. marble falls Mar 2019 #5
I think if cops come INTO your cell to beat you up and torture you, you have every right to resist Quixote1818 Mar 2019 #17
And it looked like a padded cell, too. Everybody knew he was ill. And then in the end ... marble falls Mar 2019 #18
What were the flashes of blue light? Arkansas Granny Mar 2019 #6
I think tazers? janterry Mar 2019 #9
I wondered if someone was clobbering him with a flashlight which went on accidentally. n/t Judi Lynn Mar 2019 #19
Reading at the link provided by janterry, he was tazed several times as well as beaten. Arkansas Granny Mar 2019 #26
Looks like the aftermath involved justice janterry Mar 2019 #7
oh good! Demovictory9 Mar 2019 #8
from the article: awarded 1.4 million, three were fired Demovictory9 Mar 2019 #11
Sounds like he got $240,000.00 out of 1.4 million? bluestarone Mar 2019 #20
thanks for the link Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2019 #34
Did the man become mentally ill before or after he was put in that cell? defacto7 Mar 2019 #10
They didn't seem to have any purpose other than punching him. demigoddess Mar 2019 #12
there is no they. it was one person Kurt V. Mar 2019 #33
they- the authorities. they-the people that let all those people beat him. demigoddess Apr 2019 #36
A mentally ill man made noise in front of the entire country scrutineer Mar 2019 #13
Za-zinnng!!! Geechie Mar 2019 #23
My psychotic son was restrained and tazed twice. Thunderbeast Mar 2019 #14
My son with autism has had these meltdown where we've had to 5150 him kimbutgar Mar 2019 #15
This happens all the time to the mentally ill in police custody SHRED Mar 2019 #22
The most disturbing part of all is.... KY_EnviroGuy Mar 2019 #28
This country gave up on the mentally ill warmfeet Mar 2019 #24
Yes. Yes. Yes.nt zentrum Mar 2019 #25
Did anyone see any "good Cops" in that video? n/t spike jones Mar 2019 #27
i did . 3 women. that guy was out of control Kurt V. Mar 2019 #30
I assume the "mentally ill" ones were the crowd that rushed into the room to beat on the poor guy. world wide wally Mar 2019 #29
I give up. 47of74 Mar 2019 #31
Watch that again. 1 man, completely out of control, while 3 women have to intervene. Kurt V. Mar 2019 #32
Intervene? LanternWaste Apr 2019 #41
So one of the female officers is saying, "get on the ground, get on the ground' Akacia Mar 2019 #35
Mentally ill, he shouldn't be in a cell Raine Apr 2019 #39
 

janterry

(4,429 posts)
2. That officer needs to be fired
Sun Mar 31, 2019, 05:32 PM
Mar 2019

Also, I'm sorry to say - but when they started to do the take down, the women weren't able to help. They were trying to get him on the floor, but the women could not do it. They didn't have the strength.

That was horrible. (Speaking as someone who has done a lot of take-downs)

Judi Lynn

(160,525 posts)
21. Before they were finished (the original male had been kneeing him), 3 more men rushed in there.n/t
Sun Mar 31, 2019, 07:26 PM
Mar 2019

xmas74

(29,674 posts)
37. I don't think that they didn't have the strength.
Tue Apr 2, 2019, 02:58 AM
Apr 2019

They just didn't use proper technique or anything even closely resembling it. I've done plenty of takedowns over the years-once upon a time they were three man until many mental institutions got rid of the three man with the third on legs. (As a 5'2, 112lb woman in my early 20's I was usually on the legs because I regularly worked my lower body and could squat longer than the other staff. Those were the days.) Most now do a two man hold with pivots. Learn the technique and it's not that hard. More than anything the male jailer was in the way.

With that many people already in the cell there was no way they could ever properly implement a hold or a takedown. They didn't have the room for it. I'm not really sure why they were doing it in the first place. He seemed secure in his holding cell.

 

janterry

(4,429 posts)
38. That was a swat team
Tue Apr 2, 2019, 04:54 AM
Apr 2019

Prison take downs are different than psych. hospitals. The shield is how you do a take down in prison when someone is combative (the guy balled up his fists and took a combative stance). He was not following a direct command (which is what you need to do, and he knew it).

In psych. hospitals, we used to do 2 person take downs all the time (I did them there as well). Hundreds. But in prison, you don't do the same thing. Force is okay in prison. But not what that guard did. That was terrible.

xmas74

(29,674 posts)
40. It still goes back to the other poster saying the women didn't have the strength
Tue Apr 2, 2019, 10:13 AM
Apr 2019

They didn't have the proper technique. It had nothing to do with strength. I know someone who used to work SWAT and they said the same-it's more technique than strength and that's a group of people who did nothing right.

malaise

(268,957 posts)
3. This is a crime against humanity
Sun Mar 31, 2019, 05:35 PM
Mar 2019

This is torture - cruel and unusual punishment.

It has been a slippery road since George Bush and Dick Cheney decided that torture was legal. When you hire the soldiers you made torture foreigners as local law enforcement, the chickens come home to roost.

Quixote1818

(28,930 posts)
16. That's the first thing that came to my mind too! WTF????
Sun Mar 31, 2019, 06:49 PM
Mar 2019

I am speechless as to how insane this is! They just wanted to beat him up until he got on the ground since he was already in a CELL??? There is no rhyme or reason to anything here other than them just wanting to be violent toward him.

Quixote1818

(28,930 posts)
17. I think if cops come INTO your cell to beat you up and torture you, you have every right to resist
Sun Mar 31, 2019, 06:51 PM
Mar 2019

this fucking BS. He is in a cell already. What was the purpose of this other than to come in and torture him?

marble falls

(57,079 posts)
18. And it looked like a padded cell, too. Everybody knew he was ill. And then in the end ...
Sun Mar 31, 2019, 07:16 PM
Mar 2019

everybody else ran in and piled on.

I sure do not want to live in that county.

 

janterry

(4,429 posts)
7. Looks like the aftermath involved justice
Sun Mar 31, 2019, 05:56 PM
Mar 2019

The man who was punched received a settlement and the officers involved were charged and fired.
This came out because staff were upset at what happened and reported it. So, part of this system worked (some institutions would never report a thing.......)

Here's the article: https://newsmaven.io/pinacnews/police-brutality/watch-video-shows-california-jailers-beating-tasering-mentally-ill-inmate--LeqSFoA2EGc7S1sjzsJaA/

Demovictory9

(32,453 posts)
11. from the article: awarded 1.4 million, three were fired
Sun Mar 31, 2019, 06:00 PM
Mar 2019

"One was holding me and then one tased me, and they put me in their sleeper stronghold, whatever it's called," Bangert said in May.

Bangert is eventually wheeled back into the cell in a "safety chair" with a spit mask over his head.

As jailers remove the mask, Bangert appears limp staring face up from the chair with his face covered in his own blood.

Two deputies and one jail official were fired and also faced charged for falsifying police reports, according to The Sacramento Bee.

Sacramento civil rights attorney Mark Merin said the video shows an "obviously mentally ill man acting out in an irrational way" who deputies victimized and "decided to end it in a very forceful, over-the-top-way, inflicting serious injuries to Mr. Bangert."

"They demonstrated total insensitivity and it was clearly an abusive gang attack on a defenseless individual," Merin said.

bluestarone

(16,924 posts)
20. Sounds like he got $240,000.00 out of 1.4 million?
Sun Mar 31, 2019, 07:25 PM
Mar 2019

Officers only charged for making false statements? Hell he will use that money up on future treatment i bet! WOW!

demigoddess

(6,640 posts)
12. They didn't seem to have any purpose other than punching him.
Sun Mar 31, 2019, 06:11 PM
Mar 2019

They didn't seem to give him any medicine to calm him. They simply beat him thinking that would have an effect on a mentally ill man.

demigoddess

(6,640 posts)
36. they- the authorities. they-the people that let all those people beat him.
Tue Apr 2, 2019, 12:48 AM
Apr 2019

they had no aim for his care.

scrutineer

(1,156 posts)
13. A mentally ill man made noise in front of the entire country
Sun Mar 31, 2019, 06:15 PM
Mar 2019

for years, and then the Kremlin installed him to the presidency.

Thunderbeast

(3,406 posts)
14. My psychotic son was restrained and tazed twice.
Sun Mar 31, 2019, 06:27 PM
Mar 2019

He was in jail. The guards took him to solitary confinement without treatment. He stayed there for three weeks.

This is how the mentally ill are treated by our society. A large percentage of jail inmates should be in treatment...even if they do not have the capacity to make that choice on their own. County jails are an inhumane alternative.

My son recovered, but the trauma is still with him.

kimbutgar

(21,137 posts)
15. My son with autism has had these meltdown where we've had to 5150 him
Sun Mar 31, 2019, 06:46 PM
Mar 2019

He spent 2 nights in a facility and now the threat alone of calling the cops calms him down immediately. I am going to show him this video. He had a meltdown at his day program recently and trashed a bunch of stuff. We had to reimburse them $1200 for the property damage. This incident looks mild and I’m glad the man was awarded damages and the police officers fired. The times I had to call the cops they use it as a training situation for rookie cops how to deal with autistic people. The sight of police officers immediately calms my son down and I so respect the restraint of those officers who has dealt with my son.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,490 posts)
28. The most disturbing part of all is....
Sun Mar 31, 2019, 08:06 PM
Mar 2019

probably 99% of such incidents are never even heard about and certainly not reported. And in most cases, the damage done to the mentally ill makes their illness worse.

Once any inmate is behind the wall, most Americans simply do not care.....

warmfeet

(3,321 posts)
24. This country gave up on the mentally ill
Sun Mar 31, 2019, 07:45 PM
Mar 2019

decades ago.

Very few people seem to give a shit.

Caring people need to take this back and turn it around.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
41. Intervene?
Tue Apr 2, 2019, 12:30 PM
Apr 2019

As in one woman instructing the patient to fall to the floor while he was yet simultaneously being held up in an arm hold preventing him from complying with her instructions?

That kind of intervention?

(I dig how consistently you're attempting to define a narrative here. It's not working. At all. But hat's-off for the old college try...)

Akacia

(583 posts)
35. So one of the female officers is saying, "get on the ground, get on the ground'
Sun Mar 31, 2019, 11:19 PM
Mar 2019

which is impossible for the guy to do since the male officer has him in an upright choke hold! And what in the name of hell were they going into his cell for anyway? Its not like he was going anywhere or could do anything! So glad he got some money out of the deal but the whole thing was reprehensible.

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