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Mon Apr 1, 2019, 06:01 PM

Navy SEAL accused of murder moved out of brig at Trump's direction, his attorney says

Special Operations Chief Edward Gallagher is accused of fatally stabbing a teenage Islamic State captive in 2017.



Gallagher had been detained at the Naval Consolidated Brig Miramar since Sept. 11.

He is accused of fatally stabbing an Islamic State prisoner under his care in 2017 in what prosecutors say was a premeditated act. The prisoner, estimated to be about 15 years old, was slashed in the neck and body, they said.

Navy prosecutors also say Gallagher posed for photos with the teen's body during a re-enlistment ceremony.

Gallagher pleaded not guilty in January to charges of premeditated murder and other offenses, including opening fire on crowds of Iraqi civilians and shooting a female and male in separate incidents. His trial is set for May 28.


https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/trump-says-he-ll-step-help-navy-seal-accused-murder-n989226?fbclid=IwAR2TDzHljntS28wvq8kjuMej-Pov42KNcJRTgqsebPP0C8MjUfOXsKCKuAE

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Reply Navy SEAL accused of murder moved out of brig at Trump's direction, his attorney says (Original post)
ehrnst Apr 2019 OP
50 Shades Of Blue Apr 2019 #1
Maru Kitteh Apr 2019 #2
walkingman Apr 2019 #3
Fullduplexxx Apr 2019 #6
keithbvadu2 Apr 2019 #13
ehrnst Apr 2019 #14
Fullduplexxx Apr 2019 #16
ehrnst Apr 2019 #17
Fullduplexxx Apr 2019 #19
ehrnst Apr 2019 #20
Fullduplexxx Apr 2019 #22
ehrnst Apr 2019 #23
Fullduplexxx Apr 2019 #24
ehrnst Apr 2019 #25
Fullduplexxx Apr 2019 #28
ehrnst Apr 2019 #29
sheshe2 Apr 2019 #4
Enoki33 Apr 2019 #5
HDSam Apr 2019 #7
Flaleftist Apr 2019 #31
Enoki33 Apr 2019 #32
912gdm Apr 2019 #8
Historic NY Apr 2019 #27
TomSlick Apr 2019 #9
tanyev Apr 2019 #10
rockfordfile Apr 2019 #11
Initech Apr 2019 #12
Vinca Apr 2019 #15
ehrnst Apr 2019 #18
qazplm135 Apr 2019 #30
ScratchCat Apr 2019 #21
SHRED Apr 2019 #26

Response to ehrnst (Original post)

Mon Apr 1, 2019, 06:06 PM

1. No end to the vileness!

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Response to ehrnst (Original post)

Mon Apr 1, 2019, 06:10 PM

2. Trump deeply admires people who kill "enemies" wantonly.

He wishes so badly he could do the same - and an unsettling number of his zombie followers would soil themselves with glee and celebration.

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Response to ehrnst (Original post)

Mon Apr 1, 2019, 06:16 PM

3. A murderer is a murderer - I'm tired of this "support the troops" BS. If you want to help the troops

stop these meaningless and never ending wars.

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Response to walkingman (Reply #3)

Mon Apr 1, 2019, 07:11 PM

6. Our involvement would wane considerably if people would just stop enlisting

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Response to Fullduplexxx (Reply #6)

Mon Apr 1, 2019, 11:20 PM

13. Follow Cadet Bone Spurs' example?

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Response to Fullduplexxx (Reply #6)

Tue Apr 2, 2019, 07:18 AM

14. That's how you bring back the draft. (nt)

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #14)

Tue Apr 2, 2019, 07:39 AM

16. Good .... nt

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Response to Fullduplexxx (Reply #16)

Tue Apr 2, 2019, 07:41 AM

17. You think that the draft is a good thing? Especially under this regime? (nt)

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #17)

Tue Apr 2, 2019, 11:17 AM

19. Yes and a draft wouldnt be any more dangerous than the standing army he already has

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Response to Fullduplexxx (Reply #19)

Tue Apr 2, 2019, 11:18 AM

20. What do you mean "a draft wouldn't be any more dangerous than the standing army"

Dangerous to who?

What benefit would a draft bring, other than to increase the size of the military (which would also increase the number of rapes that occur in the military)?


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Response to ehrnst (Reply #20)

Tue Apr 2, 2019, 12:53 PM

22. Any more dangerous to us . If there is a conflict that the u.s. must get involved in

Then the entire country should be investd not just a handful of families who get stop loss-ed to cover lack of personnel.
It will also make going to war more difficult
It will get more people involved in politics and motivate more to vote.

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Response to Fullduplexxx (Reply #22)

Tue Apr 2, 2019, 01:05 PM

23. You're saying that the standing army isn't "more dangerous to us" than a draft would be?

Still not clear on what that danger you are talking about is.

Then the entire country should be investd not just a handful of families who get stop loss-ed to cover lack of personnel.


What is "stop loss-ed?"

Did the draft make going to war in Korea or Vietnam more difficult? Can you explain why?

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #23)

Tue Apr 2, 2019, 01:34 PM

24. Stop loss


In the United States military, stop-loss is the involuntary extension of a service member's active duty service under the enlistment contract in order to retain them beyond their initial end of term of service (ETS) date and up to their contractually agreed end of active obligated service (EAOS). It also applies to the cessation of a permanent change of station (PCS) move for a member still in military service. Stop-loss was used immediately before and during the 1990–91 Persian Gulf War. Since then, it has been used during deployments to Somalia, Haiti, Bosnia, Kosovo and after the September 11 attacksand the subsequent campaign against terror.






You said that'll bring back the draft and I said good and you asked if it was a good thing with this regime. My point is his having the draft is no more dangerous than him not having the draft

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Response to Fullduplexxx (Reply #24)

Tue Apr 2, 2019, 01:36 PM

25. Just as dangerous to individuals who would not normally be in the military but for a draft?

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #25)

Tue Apr 2, 2019, 01:57 PM

28. Yes to them but we were talking about the regime.

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Response to Fullduplexxx (Reply #28)

Tue Apr 2, 2019, 02:14 PM

29. I'm lost then.

Too many pronouns...


I was asking if a draft would be preferable under Trump because of the crap he wants to do with the military.

Wouldn't having a larger military (via a draft) be better for him and his regime purposes, along with being more dangerous for citizens who would not otherwise be in the military?

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Response to ehrnst (Original post)

Mon Apr 1, 2019, 06:24 PM

4. Ah.

Just another white supremist man doing what he does best.

His wife's comments want to make me heave.

"As a wife and mother I want to personally thank President Trump for having mercy on my husband and our family by exercising not only compassion but common sense in this shameful travesty of justice we have faced for over 7 months," she said.
"My husband, children, myself and our family have suffered needlessly for so long and and this is a joyous moment in an otherwise very horrific nightmare."


A 15 year old boy died by your husbands hand, and you and your family suffered? That boy was someone's child.

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Response to ehrnst (Original post)

Mon Apr 1, 2019, 06:35 PM

5. Maybe all tRump is really doing here is trying to shore up his military

support. He needs someone to remind him the military swears support of the constitution, not to an individual.

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Response to Enoki33 (Reply #5)

Mon Apr 1, 2019, 07:12 PM

7. I don't think...

it will have that effect. It might create the perception among conventional forces that special operations forces aren’t subject to the same discipline they are and are treated with more leniency.

There is already a well-established divide between officers and enlisted when it comes to punitive actions and the perception of leniency. For example, officers are “dismissed” from service instead of receiving a bad conduct discharge or dishonorable discharge and their DD214 will reflect dismissal. An enlisted DD214 will state bad conduct or dishonorable if that is the discharge received.

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Response to Enoki33 (Reply #5)

Tue Apr 2, 2019, 03:36 PM

31. Does the majority of the military really support their actions of this individual?

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Response to Flaleftist (Reply #31)

Tue Apr 2, 2019, 09:46 PM

32. Don't have any data on this. My observation is based on the fact that

everything tRump does is based on his own self serving interests.

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Response to ehrnst (Original post)

Mon Apr 1, 2019, 07:16 PM

8. wait, I've seen him before

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Response to 912gdm (Reply #8)

Tue Apr 2, 2019, 01:54 PM

27. MAGA convention.

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Response to ehrnst (Original post)

Mon Apr 1, 2019, 08:12 PM

9. This is disturbing.

In the military justice system, a decision to place an accused in pretrial confinement is not made lightly because there is no bond provision. At least back in my day, the command decision for pretrial confinement would be reviewed by a military magistrate. I cannot recall hearing of an occasion of a higher level of command - must less the President - overturning the decision.

The President's intervention in this case runs a serious risk of telegraphing a view of the overall case to the court martial (the jury in the civilian system). I know of nothing to be done about it but this stinks.

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Response to ehrnst (Original post)

Mon Apr 1, 2019, 08:20 PM

10. Well, of course. He looks like he came from central casting.

No way he could be guilty of anything in Trumpworld.

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Response to ehrnst (Original post)

Mon Apr 1, 2019, 08:27 PM

11. If true about what he did, he should have been given the death penalty

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Response to ehrnst (Original post)

Mon Apr 1, 2019, 08:33 PM

12. Chump will probably give him the Presidential Medal Of Freedom.

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Response to ehrnst (Original post)

Tue Apr 2, 2019, 07:35 AM

15. Meet your next Secretary of Defense.

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Response to ehrnst (Original post)

Tue Apr 2, 2019, 07:43 AM

18. A friend who is a JAG lawyer says: "This is actually more serious than a dog whistle."

"In the military, someone far up the food chain intervening or interfering in a case is called Unlawful Command Influence. In normal circumstances, it can cause cases to be completely upended. Doubt anyone will do anything about it here, though."

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #18)

Tue Apr 2, 2019, 03:32 PM

30. I'm also a JAG lawyer

the problem with UCI is that it's usually looked at from the perspective of hurting the accused...e.g. a Commanding General or other high ranking officer like the President saying I want all people convicted of X to get convicted or to get a minimum of Y years in jail.
The remedy is in favor of the accused.

Here, this is potential UCI in favor of the accused...the system isn't really set up to address that.

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Response to ehrnst (Original post)

Tue Apr 2, 2019, 11:24 AM

21. And for no reason other

than because a gay black actor isn't going to be prosecuted for reporting a fake crime against himself.

Yet another story that should be on every front page until Trump is forced to resign.

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Response to ehrnst (Original post)

Tue Apr 2, 2019, 01:40 PM

26. He endangered the lives of his fellow soldiers also

 

Fucking asshole.

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