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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
Mon Apr 1, 2019, 06:01 PM Apr 2019

Navy SEAL accused of murder moved out of brig at Trump's direction, his attorney says

Special Operations Chief Edward Gallagher is accused of fatally stabbing a teenage Islamic State captive in 2017.



Gallagher had been detained at the Naval Consolidated Brig Miramar since Sept. 11.

He is accused of fatally stabbing an Islamic State prisoner under his care in 2017 in what prosecutors say was a premeditated act. The prisoner, estimated to be about 15 years old, was slashed in the neck and body, they said.

Navy prosecutors also say Gallagher posed for photos with the teen's body during a re-enlistment ceremony.

Gallagher pleaded not guilty in January to charges of premeditated murder and other offenses, including opening fire on crowds of Iraqi civilians and shooting a female and male in separate incidents. His trial is set for May 28.


https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/trump-says-he-ll-step-help-navy-seal-accused-murder-n989226?fbclid=IwAR2TDzHljntS28wvq8kjuMej-Pov42KNcJRTgqsebPP0C8MjUfOXsKCKuAE
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Navy SEAL accused of murder moved out of brig at Trump's direction, his attorney says (Original Post) ehrnst Apr 2019 OP
No end to the vileness! 50 Shades Of Blue Apr 2019 #1
Trump deeply admires people who kill "enemies" wantonly. Maru Kitteh Apr 2019 #2
A murderer is a murderer - I'm tired of this "support the troops" BS. If you want to help the troops walkingman Apr 2019 #3
Our involvement would wane considerably if people would just stop enlisting Fullduplexxx Apr 2019 #6
Follow Cadet Bone Spurs' example? keithbvadu2 Apr 2019 #13
That's how you bring back the draft. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2019 #14
Good .... nt Fullduplexxx Apr 2019 #16
You think that the draft is a good thing? Especially under this regime? (nt) ehrnst Apr 2019 #17
Yes and a draft wouldnt be any more dangerous than the standing army he already has Fullduplexxx Apr 2019 #19
What do you mean "a draft wouldn't be any more dangerous than the standing army" ehrnst Apr 2019 #20
Any more dangerous to us . If there is a conflict that the u.s. must get involved in Fullduplexxx Apr 2019 #22
You're saying that the standing army isn't "more dangerous to us" than a draft would be? ehrnst Apr 2019 #23
Stop loss Fullduplexxx Apr 2019 #24
Just as dangerous to individuals who would not normally be in the military but for a draft? ehrnst Apr 2019 #25
Yes to them but we were talking about the regime. Fullduplexxx Apr 2019 #28
I'm lost then. ehrnst Apr 2019 #29
Ah. sheshe2 Apr 2019 #4
Maybe all tRump is really doing here is trying to shore up his military Enoki33 Apr 2019 #5
I don't think... HDSam Apr 2019 #7
Does the majority of the military really support their actions of this individual? Flaleftist Apr 2019 #31
Don't have any data on this. My observation is based on the fact that Enoki33 Apr 2019 #32
wait, I've seen him before 912gdm Apr 2019 #8
MAGA convention. Historic NY Apr 2019 #27
This is disturbing. TomSlick Apr 2019 #9
Well, of course. He looks like he came from central casting. tanyev Apr 2019 #10
If true about what he did, he should have been given the death penalty rockfordfile Apr 2019 #11
Chump will probably give him the Presidential Medal Of Freedom. Initech Apr 2019 #12
Meet your next Secretary of Defense. Vinca Apr 2019 #15
A friend who is a JAG lawyer says: "This is actually more serious than a dog whistle." ehrnst Apr 2019 #18
I'm also a JAG lawyer qazplm135 Apr 2019 #30
And for no reason other ScratchCat Apr 2019 #21
He endangered the lives of his fellow soldiers also SHRED Apr 2019 #26

Maru Kitteh

(28,339 posts)
2. Trump deeply admires people who kill "enemies" wantonly.
Mon Apr 1, 2019, 06:10 PM
Apr 2019

He wishes so badly he could do the same - and an unsettling number of his zombie followers would soil themselves with glee and celebration.

walkingman

(7,602 posts)
3. A murderer is a murderer - I'm tired of this "support the troops" BS. If you want to help the troops
Mon Apr 1, 2019, 06:16 PM
Apr 2019

stop these meaningless and never ending wars.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
20. What do you mean "a draft wouldn't be any more dangerous than the standing army"
Tue Apr 2, 2019, 11:18 AM
Apr 2019

Dangerous to who?

What benefit would a draft bring, other than to increase the size of the military (which would also increase the number of rapes that occur in the military)?


Fullduplexxx

(7,860 posts)
22. Any more dangerous to us . If there is a conflict that the u.s. must get involved in
Tue Apr 2, 2019, 12:53 PM
Apr 2019

Then the entire country should be investd not just a handful of families who get stop loss-ed to cover lack of personnel.
It will also make going to war more difficult
It will get more people involved in politics and motivate more to vote.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
23. You're saying that the standing army isn't "more dangerous to us" than a draft would be?
Tue Apr 2, 2019, 01:05 PM
Apr 2019

Still not clear on what that danger you are talking about is.

Then the entire country should be investd not just a handful of families who get stop loss-ed to cover lack of personnel.


What is "stop loss-ed?"

Did the draft make going to war in Korea or Vietnam more difficult? Can you explain why?

Fullduplexxx

(7,860 posts)
24. Stop loss
Tue Apr 2, 2019, 01:34 PM
Apr 2019

In the United States military, stop-loss is the involuntary extension of a service member's active duty service under the enlistment contract in order to retain them beyond their initial end of term of service (ETS) date and up to their contractually agreed end of active obligated service (EAOS). It also applies to the cessation of a permanent change of station (PCS) move for a member still in military service. Stop-loss was used immediately before and during the 1990–91 Persian Gulf War. Since then, it has been used during deployments to Somalia, Haiti, Bosnia, Kosovo and after the September 11 attacksand the subsequent campaign against terror.






You said that'll bring back the draft and I said good and you asked if it was a good thing with this regime. My point is his having the draft is no more dangerous than him not having the draft
 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
29. I'm lost then.
Tue Apr 2, 2019, 02:14 PM
Apr 2019

Too many pronouns...


I was asking if a draft would be preferable under Trump because of the crap he wants to do with the military.

Wouldn't having a larger military (via a draft) be better for him and his regime purposes, along with being more dangerous for citizens who would not otherwise be in the military?

sheshe2

(83,746 posts)
4. Ah.
Mon Apr 1, 2019, 06:24 PM
Apr 2019

Just another white supremist man doing what he does best.

His wife's comments want to make me heave.

"As a wife and mother I want to personally thank President Trump for having mercy on my husband and our family by exercising not only compassion but common sense in this shameful travesty of justice we have faced for over 7 months," she said.
"My husband, children, myself and our family have suffered needlessly for so long and and this is a joyous moment in an otherwise very horrific nightmare."


A 15 year old boy died by your husbands hand, and you and your family suffered? That boy was someone's child.

Enoki33

(1,587 posts)
5. Maybe all tRump is really doing here is trying to shore up his military
Mon Apr 1, 2019, 06:35 PM
Apr 2019

support. He needs someone to remind him the military swears support of the constitution, not to an individual.

HDSam

(251 posts)
7. I don't think...
Mon Apr 1, 2019, 07:12 PM
Apr 2019

it will have that effect. It might create the perception among conventional forces that special operations forces aren’t subject to the same discipline they are and are treated with more leniency.

There is already a well-established divide between officers and enlisted when it comes to punitive actions and the perception of leniency. For example, officers are “dismissed” from service instead of receiving a bad conduct discharge or dishonorable discharge and their DD214 will reflect dismissal. An enlisted DD214 will state bad conduct or dishonorable if that is the discharge received.

Enoki33

(1,587 posts)
32. Don't have any data on this. My observation is based on the fact that
Tue Apr 2, 2019, 09:46 PM
Apr 2019

everything tRump does is based on his own self serving interests.

TomSlick

(11,097 posts)
9. This is disturbing.
Mon Apr 1, 2019, 08:12 PM
Apr 2019

In the military justice system, a decision to place an accused in pretrial confinement is not made lightly because there is no bond provision. At least back in my day, the command decision for pretrial confinement would be reviewed by a military magistrate. I cannot recall hearing of an occasion of a higher level of command - must less the President - overturning the decision.

The President's intervention in this case runs a serious risk of telegraphing a view of the overall case to the court martial (the jury in the civilian system). I know of nothing to be done about it but this stinks.

tanyev

(42,552 posts)
10. Well, of course. He looks like he came from central casting.
Mon Apr 1, 2019, 08:20 PM
Apr 2019

No way he could be guilty of anything in Trumpworld.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
18. A friend who is a JAG lawyer says: "This is actually more serious than a dog whistle."
Tue Apr 2, 2019, 07:43 AM
Apr 2019

"In the military, someone far up the food chain intervening or interfering in a case is called Unlawful Command Influence. In normal circumstances, it can cause cases to be completely upended. Doubt anyone will do anything about it here, though."

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
30. I'm also a JAG lawyer
Tue Apr 2, 2019, 03:32 PM
Apr 2019

the problem with UCI is that it's usually looked at from the perspective of hurting the accused...e.g. a Commanding General or other high ranking officer like the President saying I want all people convicted of X to get convicted or to get a minimum of Y years in jail.
The remedy is in favor of the accused.

Here, this is potential UCI in favor of the accused...the system isn't really set up to address that.

ScratchCat

(1,988 posts)
21. And for no reason other
Tue Apr 2, 2019, 11:24 AM
Apr 2019

than because a gay black actor isn't going to be prosecuted for reporting a fake crime against himself.

Yet another story that should be on every front page until Trump is forced to resign.

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