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IcyPeas

(21,829 posts)
1. seriously!
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 09:37 PM
Apr 2019

there had to be a few printouts of this thing. like, who actually typed it up? Mueller's word processing department? proofreaders? researchers?

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,520 posts)
2. Daniel Ellsberg risked prison for leaking the Pentagon Papers
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 09:38 PM
Apr 2019

and narrowly escaped that fate due to government misconduct.

Ellsberg publicly surrendered to the United States Attorney's Office for the District of Massachusetts in Boston. In admitting to giving the documents to the press, Ellsberg said:

I felt that as an American citizen, as a responsible citizen, I could no longer cooperate in concealing this information from the American public. I did this clearly at my own jeopardy and I am prepared to answer to all the consequences of this decision.


He and Russo faced charges under the Espionage Act of 1917 and other charges including theft and conspiracy, carrying a total maximum sentence of 115 years for Ellsberg, 35 years for Russo. Their trial commenced in Los Angeles on January 3, 1973, presided over by U.S. District Judge William Matthew Byrne Jr. Ellsberg tried to claim that the documents were illegally classified to keep them not from an enemy but from the American public. However, that argument was ruled "irrelevant". Ellsberg was silenced before he could begin. Ellsberg said, in 2014, that his "lawyer, exasperated, said he 'had never heard of a case where a defendant was not permitted to tell the jury why he did what he did.' The judge responded: 'Well, you're hearing one now'. And so it has been with every subsequent whistleblower under indictment."

In spite of being effectively denied a defense, Ellsberg began to see events turn in his favor when the break-in of Fielding's office was revealed to Judge Byrne in a memo on April 26; Byrne ordered it to be shared with the defense.

On May 9, further evidence of illegal wiretapping against Ellsberg was revealed in court. The FBI had recorded numerous conversations between Morton Halperin and Ellsberg without a court order, and furthermore the prosecution had failed to share this evidence with the defense. During the trial, Byrne also revealed that he personally met twice with John Ehrlichman, who offered him directorship of the FBI. Byrne said he refused to consider the offer while the Ellsberg case was pending, though he was criticized for even agreeing to meet with Ehrlichman during the case.

Due to the gross governmental misconduct and illegal evidence gathering, and the defense by Leonard Boudin and Harvard Law School professor Charles Nesson, Judge Byrne dismissed all charges against Ellsberg and Russo on May 11, 1973 after the government claimed it had lost records of wiretapping against Ellsberg. Byrne ruled: "The totality of the circumstances of this case which I have only briefly sketched offend a sense of justice. The bizarre events have incurably infected the prosecution of this case."https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Ellsberg


Is there another Ellsberg out there somewhere?

unblock

(52,089 posts)
3. Wouldn't that undermine an eventual prosecution?
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 09:47 PM
Apr 2019

I would be sooooo pissed if they got away with it due to "prosecutorial misconduct" or some evidence being ruled inadmissible because proper procedures weren't followed.

unblock

(52,089 posts)
6. But the pentagon papers wasn't the work of prosecutors
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 09:59 PM
Apr 2019

It was basically all just evidence. Ellsberg leaking it got him in legal trouble, but it didn't harm any case against anyone because it merely made the evidence public.

It different when a leak happens from a prosecutor's office. If grand jury details get leaked, etc., that's the sort of thing that gets judges to dismiss all charges.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
19. Wouldn't you love to know who/what were the subjects of grand jury scrutiny? I mean,
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 12:24 AM
Apr 2019

other than the obvious people who did get indicted.

Supposedly, Mueller's report is chock full of evidence. Yet, perhaps some of that evidence is related to grand jury proceedings?

ancianita

(35,895 posts)
14. Yes. The Judiciary Comte. would steer clear of taking it, as it would be unethical/illegal to do so
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 10:45 PM
Apr 2019

BigmanPigman

(51,552 posts)
8. We have been saying this for over two weeks.
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 10:16 PM
Apr 2019

They did come forward a little bit. At least we know that the Barr Report is BS from the leakers. We will get more I believe. Give it a few more weeks.

ancianita

(35,895 posts)
9. Not sure Nadler can take what would be considered stolen docs, though. It could be leaked to media.
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 10:22 PM
Apr 2019

Then Barr wouldn't be torn to shreds by the rethugs and Trump's media shield.

Just sayin'.

DownriverDem

(6,223 posts)
11. Bottom line
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 10:26 PM
Apr 2019

After Nadler subpoena's Barr for the report & the courts have their say, impeachment will be the final way to obtain it.

nini

(16,672 posts)
13. This SNL trailer was from 2 years ago
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 10:40 PM
Apr 2019


We're still waiting for one of them to stand up for what's right.
 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
16. americans need offense to encourage leakers and whistleblowers
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 11:19 PM
Apr 2019

and rw radio offers the best opportunity to hit republicans where it counts

there are way too many accounts of intel, fbi, and jd personnel influenced/intimidated by 'public opinion' coming out of limbaugh's ass. same with the repub reps and trump admin - it's all talk radio buzz that fox puts a visual icing on

when dems start protesting and boycotting rw radio stations that every GOP politician needs to win they'll freak out and lose their big invisible advantage as advertisers head for the hills

FailureToCommunicate

(14,005 posts)
17. Barr himself today said Mueller could hand his report over to Nadler. "It would be
Tue Apr 9, 2019, 11:26 PM
Apr 2019

unfortunate" he said. That sure sounds like it could happen. Mueller SHOULD take that patriotic move.

FakeNoose

(32,527 posts)
20. I'm pretty sure Barr already knows it will be leaked
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 12:30 AM
Apr 2019

... sooner or later. He's showing Chump what good loyal dog he is.
Somebody else will be doing the leaking, not him.

DallasNE

(7,402 posts)
18. Premature
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 12:12 AM
Apr 2019

We need the Barr report released (with redactions) first. Otherwise he could alter his version to make him not look so bad. Things need to happen in a chronological order.

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