This question needs to be asked: Why are a lot of white nationalists under 30?

[Initech]

Do they think it's cool? Do they think it's funny? Do they not realize that their unfiltered hate has consequences? I realize that the answer to these questions is yes, yes, and no.

It's the same pattern that has been plaguing nearly every country that has been a target of Putin's IRA: they recruit young. They recruit easily impressionable. They recruit kids who've been fed a steady diet of the AM radio and Fox News garbage that their parents watch.

And they target people who just turned the age where they can vote. By the time they're eligible to run for office, they'll be well versed in the dark side and it will dictate policy.

We need to get mobilized and organized. Just getting rid of Trump is the beginning. But the damage has been done. It will take decades, centuries even to rid this country of white supremacy if it is the youth that they are going after.

[dhol82]

1. Well, we seem to have the example of Stephen Miller that that mind set doesn't disappear

at the age of reason.
Good thought. Wonder about the psychology of it.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

2. I'm guessing that it's a lot like recruiting for ISIS:

They target unhappy young men who want a "cause" to be part of, and then stir up their prejudices and make them feel like they could be heroes.

[MarcA]

3. Other than lusting for power in an environment of diminishing resources

there is the manipulation of fear and alienation by dark forces. A western version
of ISIS.

[marylandblue]

4. There are a few reasons.

One is that they don't remember the dangers of racism and extremism that led to World War II. Another is that modern life has weakened the sense of community that we used to have, so they are looking for a group to belong to. The group for them is "white people." And three, having felt a lost sense of community, they often find it in a self-reinforcing bubble of right-wing media and online communities.

There's probably more, but that's my main thinking on the subject.

[DBoon]

21. They were teh first generation to grow up without a connection to WWII

Not through their fathers or their grandfathers

[2naSalit]

5. I think it's more that

those are the most visible, you'd be horrified to know how many older white males are also part of that group, they have been more subdued is all.

[Initech]

8. Oh I definitely know a few of them.

They quote Breitbart and other garbage news sites like they're fact and think that there's some sort of reverse racism going on against white males. It's infuriating talking to them - and I'm a white male.

But lately I've been noticing a pattern where any time that a hate crime or some kind of crime involving hatred is committed, it is almost always, like 9 times out of 10, a white male under 25. The next time it happens you can count on it.

[2naSalit]

14. Then I suppose it could be

testosterone then.

[True Blue American]

26. My feelings on this?

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Trump getting into office with Russian help has emboldened them. Where it used to be wrong it is now quite acceptable. The Crook in the WhiteHouse, his buddies that could be in the Mafia have made it fine to bring it out in the open.

The crazies are allowed to spew their hate. The crimes are getting worse. The young act, the old just spew their hate. This came during the Obama Presidency. You can not imagine the hate I heard about him.

[2naSalit]

37. I live among them...

and I know that they were primed into an awakened after 9/11. It's escalated from there with a lot of help from media, new police training on more brutal techniques, social media and teevee. The social consciousness was severely altered that September day, I had just graduated and while walking around campus, still had a POB there, I was suddenly attacked as though I were suddenly one of the perps because of my appearance... not exactly pearly white. I had to readopt my regional accent to help them figure out what idiots they were once I was able to respond.

There have been major shifts in what eventually becomes acceptable, each a little more shocking until we get to this point where there are unbelievably shocking events and edicts every day, it's a long game psyops tactic, and it's working.

[True Blue American]

38. I am truly sorry.

Most immigrants in this Country are hard working, good people. The real problem here is the home grown white haters.

I may be white but I know right from wrong. Left 1 Church for that reason, am half way out the door on another. 2 young Pastors changed the direction of the Church but I hear the resentment of the older.

[2naSalit]

41. I was in the niddle of

mormonville, it's a particularly fertile breeding ground for these types.

I'm not blonde and I don't really resemble any particular ethnicity to most people, the haters reveal themselves by treating me as though I'm an "other". It's all over the country and every level of socioeconomic status. My birth certificate says I'm white...

I have found that the more religious people tend to be, the more easily they are swayed by people who would lead them over a cliff.

[True Blue American]

50. You are talking about

pretend Religious people who use it as a cover up for the meanness and hate they have.
A true believer knows to try and at least live by the Golden Rule or Ten Commandments.

They are very specific about how you should try and live your life. They are also very easy to understand.

[SlogginThroughIt]

58. I'm sorry but that is really a dumb reply.

Testosterone has absolutely nothing to do with being racist.

I suppose your response could have been just being sarcastic as well.

[2naSalit]

59. It was

Guess I should have used the sarcasm thingy.

[Hortensis]

30. This. Older white nationalists go home after work is all. :)

[True Blue American]

39. True

And like the next post women are just as bad. They seem to be calcified admiring Trump.

I wish I could understand the thinking.

[Cosmocat]

33. And, it isnt just white males

LOTS of white females.

[2naSalit]

44. Very true! ...nt

[bullwinkle428]

42. This x 1000, if you've spent any time online at opinion boards that

allow a multitude of views. I've been using the Internet for 20 years, and this attitude is tragically pervasive amongst older white males, long before Chump came along. I'm a white male about to turn 55, so I know of which I speak!

[dustyscamp]

6. Younger people are more easily influenced and have a don't give a shit attitude as long as they win

?t=2

[Initech]

11. Provoking white nationalism is like poking a hornet's nest.

You can't do it without expecting the floodgates to open. And I wonder if Youtube is cracking down on hate, how come white nationalists like PewDiePie and Red Ice are allowed to monetize?

[ThoughtCriminal]

7. Young Racist Incel Losers?

Frustrated and angry losers.

[walkingman]

9. I know this is old news but I think it is because the whote nationalist movement has

become acceptable behavior. Unless society makes it clear that such behavior has consequences then it will continue. It is pretty clear that Trump's behavior has encouraged this movement. His constant racism and bullying does not go unnoticed.

[TlalocW]

10. I did ny high school research project on the re-emergence

Of white supremacist groups, and I tended (thanks to something a teacher said a few years earlier) to look at everything through an economic lens. This was back in 90/91, when the economy, like now, wasn't that great (right now the economy looks good on paper, but it's leaving a lot of people behind). Groups like these tend to have good recruitment in times when the economy isn't so good because the groups can take the tack with the younger generation that it's not their fault that they're not succeeding like they should be - it's the other: Blacks, Mexicans, Jews, etc. And now especially women. And those damn liberals are making it easy for you to be replaced (recall the Charlotesville protesters were chanting sbout how they would not be replaced). Couple that with most heterosexual men feel that they should be the breadwinner, and they're ripe pickings. They're given someone to blame, and the fellowship of guys who claim to have the answers - or at least the ability and willingness to make the other suffer like they are.

TlalocW

[Initech]

13. Do you think technology has a lot to do with it?

I know in the 80s and 90s we had cable TV and AM radio. These days there's those mediums plus social media, internet forums. Youtube, Discord, Steam, the list goes on and on. Twitter, Instagram, and so on. Could that be how they're reaching so many people?

[dustyscamp]

22. It's easier than ever to spread hate nowadays with social media

but just as it is easier to hate its just as easy to spread a compassionate message.

[Cosmocat]

35. Cant disagree enough

The current breed is very much affluezaish driven.

The pissants who made a scene in DC?

elitist puke bags from rich families.

Just as many Confederate flags on new model 45,000 pickups as rusty 20 year old pickups.

[Turbineguy]

12. They were raised

by Fox News and RW Hate Radio.

[onetexan]

28. And their parents and older family members

If one is raised to hate thats what one becomes.

[jberryhill]

15. What makes you believe most of them are under 30?

I guess I missed whatever is the factual foundation for that question.

[Initech]

18. I said "most" not "all".

Because if you look at nearly every hate crime and Trump related MAGA public embarassment, it paints a pattern - they're all white, they're all young, and they're all exhibiting the same patterns of behavior. There's definitely older white supremacists too, I'm not discounting that.

[jberryhill]

19. "Most" is a quantitative term

So your use of the term “most” is not actually based on any method of analysis of actual data, but just your subjective impression. I had assumed from the OP it was based on some actual data.

And by “white supremacists” you mean “persons who have been arrested or otherwise attracted public attention to themselves” and not other persons who would be “white supremacists” in general.

[Initech]

20. Then tell me how I should phrase it.

[muriel_volestrangler]

36. "Why are so many.." would work. Pittsburgh synagogue killer is 46, Richard Spencer 40

Breivik was 32 when he carried out his massacre. Stephen Miller is 33. Steve King is 69.

[True Blue American]

27. They aren't

Those in their 30s,40s, 50s are just as bad.

[Historic NY]

16. They feel entitled.

and most of those that feel entitled turn out to be assholes. They look for shortcuts and any chance to grift.

[Stinky The Clown]

17. I think it will difficult to impossible for them to survive the demographic tsunami that . . . . .

. . . . . is about to overtake them.

This country WILL be led by an African American . . . . . WOMAN. Of that I have little doubt. What is less clear is when, but when it does happen, our country will be on the road to recovery. I'm an old man, but I am hopeful I will live to see the day.

[JustAnotherGen]

32. I tend to agree

I don't know if it will be Kamala. I do know that we have to nip it in the bud.

I'm 46. I have great health numbers and genetics (lots of people live into their 90's in my family). I will most likely be around in 20/25 years.

I will have lived through being the bi-racial kid - the only one in my class in grade school - to a country where it's a norm.

The white supremacist in America better start playing nice.

[Jakes Progress]

23. Or why do most white people vote for trump?

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Old, white guy here. I've always enjoyed bucking the trend, but the question remains.

[HughBeaumont]

46. Something must have happened in 1965 . . . .

. . . as no Democratic presidential candidate has won the white vote since LBJ.

Put it this way . . . not even a white male, from Georgia, who is a devout Christian, a WWII veteran, a small business owner and happily married . . . could win the white vote in 1976. Against the lamest of unelected lame ducks.

And because they're Democrats, they still cannot.

[meadowlander]

24. They are actively recruited using 4Chan, "dark web" sites and metal bands.

Then once a few of them are radicalised they are encouraged to take over local young Republican groups at their high schools and colleges and to recruit more people.

It's very hard to root out though in a country with first amendment traditions like the US.

[JI7]

25. same reason as ISIS . just a bunch of Male losers

[Freelancer]

29. I have a dark opinion about this...

Along with many laudable voices, we should just admit that white supremacy is a little voice in every white man's head.

In order to repress a thing you must acknowledge a thing.

Do we say to kids that there were some feelings in us that they shouldn't go feeding? Nope. What we do was deny that we have that poison in us at all. We deny it at every opportunity. But the kids see we are liars. Every time we stand at the front window an extra 10 seconds watching to see that slow moving the car move past our block with the black silhouettes in it, they are noticing. Every time we sigh a little at the DMV when we see that we're going to be dealing with Shaniqua, they are noticing what hypocrites we are.

It's like an old horror movie where the family has a crazy relative kept out of view in the basement. If the children are forbidden to go to the basement and yet they hear noises coming from the basement, someday they ARE going down to the basement. They have to be taught with honesty what's down there, and that under NO circumstances should they feed it, or listen to it, or try to save it. They have to know that many have tried that were as smart and special as them, and it only results in ugliness and disaster.

If we don't deny that it exists -- if we tell our kids how we put it in a hole and parked an end loader over it, and how even so, a little leaks out, then that's the opposite of hypocrisy. That's honesty.

[JustAnotherGen]

31. They are assholes

They are inherent assholes.

2020 and 2022 elections will be the most critical of my nephews and nieces lives (10 -27).

What happens over the next three years determines how that assholes will be treated in 20 years.

We do the right thing now - or the new dominant culture circa 2040 inflicts severe pain on this future minority.

[Amishman]

34. Counter culture response

They were raised in a culture that promoted tolerance and diversity, and are rebelling against it. Its a long term pattern of rebelling against the values of the previous generation

In the 60s and 70s youth rebelled against the jingoistic nationalism of their parents.

In the 90s it was against the button down workaholic values of their parents.

Now it is against the tolerance and multiculturalism of mainstream society. It's worse right now with white males as there isn't a wholesome empowering dialog in society right now aimed at them. When seeking an identity, most of the dialogue right now is either negative or challenging (referring to white men as oppressors and privileged) or tainted with white supremacy.

[Blue_Tires]

40. Yeah, I was going to say internet

since at the end of the day, Neo-Nazism is just a very demented and complex form of trolling...

4chan, Qanon and some of the nastier parts of Reddit were already batshit extremist so going full white power was a very short step for them...

[MineralMan]

43. Are they? I don't think so.

Do you have any support for your statement?

[Celerity]

45. +1

I think the younger ones (40yo and under) just get more splash from their memes and internet presence.

[Initech]

53. Yes, actually.

https://www.npr.org/2019/03/19/704586335/white-nationalist-groups-increase-recruiting-and-propaganda-across-the-west

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/4/9/18296864/gamer-gaming-white-supremacist-recruit

https://newsok.com/article/5626392/clarence-page-white-nationalists-appeal-to-alienated-young-men

https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2019/03/28/from-fortnite-to-alt-right-rhymes-i-guess-but-does-it-mean-anything/#76bff9cf5a09

https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/8xybkv/leaked-chats-show-white-nationalist-groups-plot-to-infiltrate-turning-point-usa

That's just a few in a quick Google search.

[MineralMan]

54. None of those indicate that "MOST white nationalists are under 30."

That's simply not the case. Most implies a majority. While there are many people under 30 who are white nationalists, they do not make up a majority of white nationalists.

[Initech]

55. But they are recruiting young and going after young people.

Are they not?

[MineralMan]

56. No doubt, but you made a claim that most white nationalists were under 30.

That is not the case. Not even close.

[Initech]

61. I fixed my headline.

[Recursion]

47. Kids like to rebel

For people under 30, "racism is bad" was a given, and people in that age group like to poke at electric fences to see what happens. Most of them will grow out of it.

[inwiththenew]

48. They are just the most visible

There are a lot who are more subdued and keep their activity behind closed doors or online only. On top of that there are probably even more not engaged in activities, either online or in real life, that are sympathetic to the cause/movement or whatever you want to call it.

[Kaleva]

49. The folks in the Weather Underground, Red Army Faction, JRA, SLA were young

I believe most, if not all, members were under the age of 30

[Baltimike]

51. Because they were brought up being brainwashed by the conservative press. nt

[beachbum bob]

52. most are not, its the young ones that want to be seen....the older ones stay hidden in the

shadows.

[ProfessorPlum]

57. It's important to remember that most people under 30 are very progressive

more so than earlier generations, because they are being plowed under economically.

So, hate groups might recruit young, but there numbers will remain in the minority.

[Mariana]

62. Exactly.

The majority of older voters cast their ballots for Trump. Younger people mostly voted for Clinton.

[Mariana]

60. You answered your own question.

The older white nationalists target young people for recruitment.