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Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:13 PM

 

I'm 99.9% sure that Trump will be impeached despite what some folks are saying to the contrary

First of all, the world class asshole in the White House deserves to be impeached like no other person in history. Secondly, I honestly believe that he WILL be impeached because not only would it be wrong not to do so, but if he isn't impeached, I think it could spell disaster for the Democratic Party as we know it today. It's time for all Democrats to unite in standing up to Trump, and it's time to stop being so fearful of impeachment.

It's hard to believe how anyone could possibly compare this to what happened when Clinton was impeached and how some folks are so worried that we might lose seats in the House because that's what happened to Republicans after Clinton was impeached. Really? Well, if we don't impeach Trump, then it could be perceived by many that we just don't care enough about what he's doing, or worse yet, that we approve of what he's doing. OTOH, if we DO impeach the asshole, then we just might gain seats in the House out of respect for us doing what was the right thing to do. Either way, it's time to stop being so paranoid of what might happen if we impeach. We need to at least try because it's simply the right thing to do in order to hold him accountable.

And please stop worrying about the probability that the corrupt GOP senators would most likely never vote to remove him. We already know that. Instead, ask yourself this: Do you want to stand by and do nothing to hold the Monster accountable, or would you rather do what's right by exposing his nefarious ways to everyone through impeachment hearings? Yes, the crooked GOP senators probably won't vote to remove him, but they cannot prevent impeachment by the House, nor can they prevent the damaging hearings that would follow, hearings that could very well cause the egotistical sociopath to resign, rather than face the embarrassment those hearings would bring to him. At the very least, though, impeachment hearings would get the word out on Trump to many of the people who most need to hear it.

We all know how corrupt and horrible Trump is, but believe it or not, a significant percentage of folks across the country do not, and impeachment hearings are one of the most important ways to get through to some of them. A little bit of education goes a long ways, and what better way to educate than through impeachment hearings.

Impeachment provisions were written into the Constitution to protect our country from lunatics just like Trump. We should never forget that, but this particular impeachment isn't just for us. Most of the world is counting on us to do something about Trump, and impeachment is the most damaging weapon we currently have in our arsenal to use against him. The world is counting on us to do what's right and to hold this scumbag accountable.

As the old saying goes: Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

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Reply I'm 99.9% sure that Trump will be impeached despite what some folks are saying to the contrary (Original post)
mtnsnake Apr 2019 OP
Shell_Seas Apr 2019 #1
TwilightZone Apr 2019 #2
kimbutgar Apr 2019 #3
Ferrets are Cool Apr 2019 #4
jimlup Apr 2019 #5
redstateblues Apr 2019 #6
DoctorJoJo Apr 2019 #7
mtnsnake Apr 2019 #10
bearsfootball516 Apr 2019 #28
True Blue American Apr 2019 #32
BigmanPigman Apr 2019 #8
uponit7771 Apr 2019 #9
ChazInAz Apr 2019 #11
TryLogic Apr 2019 #18
Catherine Vincent Apr 2019 #12
LakeArenal Apr 2019 #39
ooky Apr 2019 #13
Bettie Apr 2019 #14
ooky Apr 2019 #16
True Blue American Apr 2019 #33
Chakaconcarne Apr 2019 #15
DinahMoeHum Apr 2019 #17
TryLogic Apr 2019 #19
kentuck Apr 2019 #20
DirtEdonE Apr 2019 #21
Kurt V. Apr 2019 #23
cvoogt Apr 2019 #22
Oneironaut Apr 2019 #24
hurple Apr 2019 #25
LakeArenal Apr 2019 #40
Cary Apr 2019 #26
zipplewrath Apr 2019 #27
mtnsnake Apr 2019 #30
zipplewrath Apr 2019 #34
ScratchCat Apr 2019 #29
Trumpocalypse Apr 2019 #31
USALiberal Apr 2019 #35
madville Apr 2019 #36
stopbush Apr 2019 #37
extvbroadcaster Apr 2019 #38

Response to mtnsnake (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:16 PM

1. I wish I could share your optimism.

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Response to mtnsnake (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:20 PM

2. Sure, if you want to hand him another term.

The continued insistence that a failure to remove in the Senate - which, at the moment, is 100% guaranteed - is irrelevant to the conversation is misguided, at best.

But, it sure is popular.

It will undoubtedly rile his base and it will turn off voters who voted for us in 2018 because of issues-based campaigns. They don't want the focus to be entirely on Trump. They want the focus to be on them and the issues that affect their lives. That focus is why we made progress in 2018.

"We all know how corrupt and horrible Trump is, but believe it or not, a significant percentage of folks across the country do not"

There's little evidence of that. Nearly everyone knows who and what Trump is. His base keeps him afloat because corrupt and horrible is what they want. People who are apolitical aren't going to pay any more attention to impeachment proceedings than they have the past couple years of Trump ignorance and stupidity. Everything they need to know to vote him out in 2020 is already public knowledge.

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Response to mtnsnake (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:21 PM

3. Big difference between Clinton and fat donnie

Clinton didnít attack Muslims, migrants, minorities and disabled people or powís. He tried to be president to everyone. He was a uniter not a divider nor did he get Russian help to get elected.

One can not in all honesty compare the two.

Impeachment is our only direction.

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Response to mtnsnake (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:25 PM

4. Not a chance.

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Response to mtnsnake (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 09:35 PM

5. I'm with you in spirit

but I'm sorry to say that the political reality is far worse.

1. The monster will not resign. He is too much of a monster who thinks he has the power to control others. Even if removed it is unlikely that he would actually go. We have a 3rd world dictatorship situation on our hands except that he is also a psychopath.

2. The republican monsters in the Senate will not vote to convict because they have set their lot with him. These are not the same republicans who eventually stepped up to their constitutional duty and dropped their support for then monster Nixon. These republicans are much deeper dug in than then.

The situation is dire. Impeachment won't work. If we are to defeat this thing we will have to do it in November of 2020 and yes, the nation and maybe much more is at stake on that day.

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Response to mtnsnake (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 11:44 PM

6. If you want 4 more years impeach Trump

The most damaging weapon we have is the ballot box

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Response to mtnsnake (Original post)

Mon Apr 15, 2019, 11:50 PM

7. Impeachment Is Easy, It Is Conviction In a Repuke Senate That Is Unlikely

 

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Response to DoctorJoJo (Reply #7)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 09:11 AM

10. Yes, conviction is unlikely, but it's the impeachment hearings that would do the damage.

 

I agree right from the start that conviction is very unlikely.

While we don't have enough votes to convict, we do have enough votes to impeach. Throughout the impeachment hearings that would follow, Trump would be exposed on a national scale, which just might be enough to sway so many of the fence sitting voters who voted for Trump in 2016 to vote for Democrats in 2020.

We really need to stop being so fearful of impeachment. If we believe in justice, then we need to use the best tool available to us to hold Trump accountable for his crimes. That tool is impeachment. With or without conviction, impeachment will be a huge negative for Trump, not for Democrats.

I'm sick of standing by and watching this asshole get away with his atrocities without trying to hold him accountable in a legal and truthful manner. There's a reason that the impeachment articles were written into our Constitution, and we shouldn't ignore it just because we're afraid of what might happen. When the truth is on our side, we shouldn't be afraid to do what's right.

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Response to DoctorJoJo (Reply #7)

Wed Apr 17, 2019, 08:21 AM

28. I actually don't think it's as easy as it appears.

Democrats took back the House by winning a lot of swing districts and lean red districts, by running moderate liberals who campaigned on stuff like health care and jobs instead of Trump, because Trump is still above water in some of those districts. For those Democrats, voting to impeach Trump would be a death sentence for them in 2020.

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Response to DoctorJoJo (Reply #7)

Wed Apr 17, 2019, 09:32 AM

32. So true

Throw the bums out at the Ballot Box!

Mike Turner for sure! Get a good Democrat to run against him!

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Response to mtnsnake (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 12:01 AM

8. I keep hearing that the report will EVENTUALLY get out to the public....

That means after 2020. I know, I know...that is how they got Nixon. If we were to impeach before 2020 it is a sure fire way to get his taxes to Congress, so that is one way they can nail him by 2020 and show his cult how broke he is and how crooked he is.

I want to nail him ASAP, so impeach (start the proceedings anyway), get his taxes then let the real show begin!

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Response to mtnsnake (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 02:09 AM

9. K&R, CLINTON WAS MORE POPULAR WITH REPUBLICANS !!! Red Don will NEVER EVER be as popular with dems

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Response to mtnsnake (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 11:34 AM

11. Impeach

Get all of his malfeasance on the public record.
When the republicans in the Senate refuse to follow through, they will find themselves in a truly sticky position.

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Response to ChazInAz (Reply #11)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 12:52 PM

18. Getting his malfeasance on the public record sounds good.

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Response to mtnsnake (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 11:39 AM

12. I think he should be impeached as well but...

As Nancy Pelosi said...he's not worth it.

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Response to Catherine Vincent (Reply #12)

Wed Apr 17, 2019, 05:12 PM

39. But this country is to me.

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Response to mtnsnake (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 12:03 PM

13. I think we will do better in the 2020 election if the House spends its time wisely, like

passing an ACA rescue bill that actually expands Medicaid while lowering the cost of health insurance premiums and prescription costs; and, passes a bill to return the tax scam money to the American people; and, passes bills that strengthen Social Security and Medicare. Things that caused people to vote to give us back the House in 2018.

We need to motivate voters to get out and for us, not mobilize the Republican base. Impeaching Trump won't get him out of the White House and could backfire.

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Response to ooky (Reply #13)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 12:05 PM

14. People will not know that the bill was passed

as it will never see the light of day in the Senate.

And how about motivating people to vote by making it look like our side stands for something. Not impeaching could also backfire.

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Response to Bettie (Reply #14)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 12:25 PM

16. I'll agree to disagree with you.

I think our voters who want health care and other important social programs they can count on in their futures will be very encouraged that we already have a plan and legislation ready in the House to back the plans up. I think that stands for something. And I think Pelosi is right about impeachment.

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Response to ooky (Reply #13)

Wed Apr 17, 2019, 09:36 AM

33. Anyone hear

The Problem Solvers Caucus with Mika this morning? Democrat and Republicans teaming up to solve problems.

That will put Jordan and Meadows noses out of joint. They have only accomplished chaos and members are sick of doing nothing.

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Response to mtnsnake (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 12:09 PM

15. We've already seen the lengths they are going to avoid that.....

......based on that, I am not so optimistic.

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Response to mtnsnake (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 12:52 PM

17. Pardon my Latin, but. . ."GOPus Delendus Est"

. . .The GOP Must Be Destroyed

If we cannot get conviction by the Senate after impeachment by the House. . .

. . .then all of us must work to ensure the complete and utter destruction of the GOP.

Remember, 22 GOP Senators are up for re-election. Just sayin'.


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Response to DinahMoeHum (Reply #17)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 01:01 PM

19. Get rid of 22 GOP senators!! I'm for that, impeachment or no impeachment.

It will take a lot of work especially in rural areas where Rush Limbaugh radio and similar entities are on all day. It will take indictment of Hannity and others for activities and loyalties I strongly suspect.

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Response to mtnsnake (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 01:18 PM

20. I'm 99.9% sure that Trump "should" be impeached...

But I am not sure that he will be.

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Response to mtnsnake (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 03:53 PM

21. And then there is always that old-fashioned concept

 

Of just doing what's right.

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Response to DirtEdonE (Reply #21)

Wed Apr 17, 2019, 04:34 AM

23. +1

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Response to mtnsnake (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 05:00 PM

22. I wish... but I don't think so.

Wish it would, but I seriously doubt it. There are powerful forces working to make him a two-term president, even. The 2020 election is of monumental importance.

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Response to mtnsnake (Original post)

Wed Apr 17, 2019, 06:23 AM

24. Impeached but not convicted.

Impeachment might actually help Trump. There is nowhere near enough votes in the Senate for a conviction.

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Response to mtnsnake (Original post)

Wed Apr 17, 2019, 08:13 AM

25. Not likely

With every day that passes, it is less likely that he will be impeached, and more likely he will even get re-elected.

This is the reality we need to face up to. This is possible. Prepare for it, because if it happens, he and his cult will be off the rails and see it as a sign from god that he is ordained to rule as lord and king!

And, with every day that passes, he and his enablers are putting more and more puzzle pieces in place to ensure that this is exactly what happens.



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Response to hurple (Reply #25)

Wed Apr 17, 2019, 05:17 PM

40. That isn't reality. That is speculation.

My speculation is we win big 2020

We love our candidates. Polls show we rule social issues. Polls show significant disillusion of independents for Trumpís policies.

Reports Trump is concerned that his base is not enough to win so heís starting a holy war.

Democrats are motivated. Trumpís base canít even spell motivation.

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Response to mtnsnake (Original post)

Wed Apr 17, 2019, 08:18 AM

26. You have to have a bipartisan effort or it is political

And then, using your own logic, the opposing party will rationalize impeachment if and when they have the numbers.

WE, THE PEOPLE.will need to depose the atrocity and his cowardly sycophants. This burden falls squarely on us. I simply ask for good leaders. A great leader would be nice but good will do.

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Response to mtnsnake (Original post)

Wed Apr 17, 2019, 08:19 AM

27. How you gonna get around Pelosi?

She's never had a taste for impeachment.

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Response to zipplewrath (Reply #27)

Wed Apr 17, 2019, 09:16 AM

30. She can try to discourage it but she can't prevent impeachment regardless of how much she opposes it

 

nor can she prevent any House member from filing articles of impeachment, discussions which could be followed by a vote to impeach.

What Nancy Pelosi can do is give her guidance and try to talk people out of it. She alone can't stop it from happening, though, but correct me if I'm wrong about that.

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Response to mtnsnake (Reply #30)

Wed Apr 17, 2019, 09:52 AM

34. She's got a really big gavel

She can pretty much stop anything from reaching the floor. And the Committee chair will have a strong incentive to not even let it out of committee.

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Response to mtnsnake (Original post)

Wed Apr 17, 2019, 08:59 AM

29. Here is what people against impeachment are missing

And that is, if Trump was convicted in The House, it wouldn't be "because Democrats don't like Trump". It would be because:

- Trump has been implicated in a felony - campaign finance fraud with a hush money payment

- Trump "overruled" ALL advisers and gave FAMILY security clearances though they were deemed security risks.

- Trump instructed federal law enforcement officers to violate the law, and promised pardons if they were convicted.

- Trump constantly interfered with a lawful criminal investigation into Russian 2016 election interference, and has attempted to interfere in other ongoing prosecutions.


I'll stop there, though we could add others. Once this is laid out in The House, how on earth would Senate Republicans justify keeping him in office? They need to be put in this position BEFORE November 2020.

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Response to ScratchCat (Reply #29)

Wed Apr 17, 2019, 09:22 AM

31. Don't assume that everyone thinks like you

 

If they did Trump would have never gotten elected.

First, the House doesn't convict, the Senate does. And there is no way regardless of the evidence that 20 republicans are going to vote to convict. It is naive to think so.

And without a conviction in the Senate, Trump will able to run in 20 saying he was exonerated. The GOP and right wing media will paint it as a partisan exercise by the Dems to make them look bad.

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Response to mtnsnake (Original post)

Wed Apr 17, 2019, 10:09 AM

35. Nope, he is running in 2020! Nt

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Response to mtnsnake (Original post)

Wed Apr 17, 2019, 10:21 AM

36. The window is closing

If it has any chance of occurring it has to be during 2019. No way they are dumb enough to have impeachment proceedings in 2020 during our primary or the general election, it would completely drown out any other issues.

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Response to mtnsnake (Original post)

Wed Apr 17, 2019, 11:21 AM

37. He may well be impeached, but as you correctly point out, removal by the Senate

is NOT impeachment. It is a verdict rendered after a Senate trial. And with Rs holding the Senate he will not be removed.

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Response to mtnsnake (Original post)

Wed Apr 17, 2019, 01:13 PM

38. If we had a functioning government

Trump should have been impeached by now. He just thumbs his nose at the law. If he did not collude with Russia he and his campaign sure WANTED to. And indirectly did. And benefited from Russian interference. But the way things are now, the only real hope we have is voting him out in 2020. If the Democrats fail, we are in for a horrible ride with 4 more years of Trump consolidating power and putting yes men in government. Shocking.

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