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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMy anti-vaxer niece just let me know her 3 year old has a 102 temp
Fever and chills. I'm rapidly spiraling into a deep worry state.
Response to Siwsan (Original post)
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Siwsan
(26,259 posts)I'm hoping she's misread the thermometer. And I'm NOT calling the police. They are all at her grandfather's house so he's there, with them and will let me know if the temp doesn't go down.
She started on her Immunizations, when she was an infant, but then my nephew started down the conspiracy road. They are VERY militant vegans (and I'm not being hyperbolic) and with his dark net conspiracy beliefs, they are very difficult to deal with, when it comes to anything health related.
Ilsa
(61,694 posts)if they passed on round 2 boosters.
Make certain the child's temp is monitored, and she may need to be checked for strep throat. Or Meningitis if it gets worse.
Siwsan
(26,259 posts)I STRONGLY suggested they get some Children's Tylenol and/or Children's Motrin.
I'm a little worried about exposing myself to something, but I might just suck it up and head out, if things don't change. It's kind of a touchy situation, though, because the parents are heavily invested in their 'clean' lifestyle and very resistant to any advice. That didn't stop me from slipping in a mini lecture.
Oops - she just said the temp is starting to go down and they will go get the tylenol.
pnwmom
(108,974 posts)If they have fever of 102 or even higher but are acting normal, then they're probably okay and you can just watch them and push fluids.
If they are LISTLESS, regardless of fever, get them medical help.
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)I would only call the cops in a matter of severe live or death situations.
I'm going to delete the above as to not keep my misrepresentation out there to confuse.
My bad, hope she's better soon.
Siwsan
(26,259 posts)It sounds like she's getting back up to speed and she can be a really active kid. Her poor parents!!
I wish I could get through to her parents. One of my nephew's maternal uncles is a family physician. He lives down in Florida so he's not in a lot of contact. I'm considering getting in touch to see if he might be able to start a subtle conversation that will convince them they are making a serious, and potentially dangerous mistake by not finishing up her vaccinations.
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)Maybe the uncle doesn't know that they're missing their shots and this will get him on the case of checking on them and encouraging them to get fully vaccinated.
pnwmom
(108,974 posts)with the parents.
Even fully vaccinated small children, when they get a fever from a cold or a flu, will often spike a high fever.
Iggo
(47,548 posts)Siwsan
(26,259 posts)I'd never take that route. Her mom let me know that she's up, eating strawberries, drinking water and asking for noodles.
I likely over reacted because I worry about my little grandniece. My vaccinations, as a child, were pretty minimal and I had all of the usual childhood illnesses with no after effect - save for what turned out to be a moderately mild case of shingles, last year. I was uncomfortable but weathered through.
But when I was a child, I was also much more exposed to other kids, and down in the dirt and creeks outdoors playing. And, I was fed a very nutritious and BALANCED diet. I'd hope that my little sweetie, most likely, could sail through as I did, but why should she, if it isn't necessary. And why take the risk that she can't??
TheBlackAdder
(28,183 posts).
And by cool bath, luke warm. It will feel cold to the kid. Use a cup to pour water over body and back of head (if needed).
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Siwsan
(26,259 posts)And gave her all of that advice. The mom practices Reiki, which she seems might be an effective treatment. Not that there isn't a place for Reiki, in the world, but I think a sick child calls for a bit more scientific based intervention.
I also suggested they go out and buy another thermometer, and see if they get the same reading. I have no idea how old the one is that they are using. They found it, stuck away somewhere in the house. It might be one from when my sister was still alive, and she's been gone for over 4 years.
Jesus Christ, what a loon. No offense, of course youve obviously got your shit together.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)Is she anti-Tylenol as well? There is no need to let a fever rage in a little one. Childrens Tylenol goes down easily and works well.
Siwsan
(26,259 posts)As long as it's a liquid, and has ABSOLUTELY NO ANIMAL PRODUCTS, I'm sure she'll use it. The mother is a hard core, read the fine print vegan.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)So far as I am aware its vegan. Now that said, Ive been a vegan for thirty years this month, but if my kid is sick theyre getting whatever meds are required, regardless of source.
Big Blue Marble
(5,060 posts)Young children spike fevers rather easily. But they should be under the care of a doctor.
Siwsan
(26,259 posts)I'm keeping in contact. My bro-in-law does have a good doctor they can call.
MissB
(15,805 posts)If theyve never experienced one, theyll likely panic if it gets to that point.
Im hoping that your great niece/nephew will be just fine.
Siwsan
(26,259 posts)I pushed and pushed, and they've agreed to buy some Children's Tylenol.
They just have to accept that Reiki and elderberry juice aren't the Panacea to all illness.
hlthe2b
(102,218 posts)are that the fever may be nonspecific viral, or an early indicator of an ear or throat infection. Young children get short term fevers for all kinds of reasons, but she should be encouraged to at least get a phone consultation.
Suppressing the fever may make the child feel better, but if it is bacterial, such as many ear and throat infections, without seeking appropriate care it could seriously delay therapy. Untreated otitis can lead to deafness, for example, and untreated strep throat can likewise be serious. At least making the inquiry of the pediatrician will allow them to monitor the situation and to ensure that the child is seen when absolutely necessary.
honest.abe
(8,673 posts)Also, depends if this is under arm or anal or mouth. Under the arm registers lower temp. We usually don't give medicine to our toddler until 103 F mouth or anal. Also, depends how the child is reacting. If acting weird or not eating or puking then call doctor.
Siwsan
(26,259 posts)She ate something, earlier, but isn't particularly hungry, now. I told them to keep her hydrated - maybe make popsicles out of juice.
It's just difficult, with their lifestyle, because all of the common sense advice tend to fall on deaf ears.
Ilsa
(61,694 posts)Convert axilla to oral temp. If 102 under the arm, she'd probably register about 103 oral. Anal is the best source since it is core and not affected by a drink of cold or hot food.
But you probably know this already, so I'm just providing an extension of your post.
Glad the little girl is doing better now.
with you and with this:
"Fever is a protective adaptive response that should be allowed to run its course under most circumstances."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4703655/
pnwmom
(108,974 posts)Renew Deal
(81,855 posts)Kids get sick.
Siwsan
(26,259 posts)She's my only grand niece and is destined to be an only child.
Maybe when more babies start showing up, I'll regain my rationality! And I know for a fact that any future kidlets WILL be fully up to speed with their vaccinations because their potential parents are realistic.
Renew Deal
(81,855 posts)Thats ridiculous.
shenmue
(38,506 posts)If you can't do that, just take her to the hospital.
Siwsan
(26,259 posts)She's finally asking for food (Fruit and noodles. She loves noodles) and sucking down the water.
The flat out truth is, I've lost so many close family members, lately (5 in the past 4 years) that my first reaction, now, is to panic.
I'm just going to have to keep trying to convince them they are acting in a VERY irresponsible way. It's just really hard. My nephew hasn't really dealt with his mother's death, and he's turning to some really whacked out sources to rationalize his fragile emotional state. Nothing we say has any credibility. Strangers on the internet? They are the authorities he listens to.
Just do your best
brewens
(13,567 posts)to allow and when from the internet, so the kids do get some vaccinations.
She's also a horrible housekeeper and has six kids. It was an annual event that a seriously ill grandkid was taken to the nearest city for medical care. When I use your bathroom, and there is not even hand soap, I know no one is even washing their hands like you should. I always hear the whole household is sick in the cold and flu season, it's no wonder.
One time years ago, we were sitting right there when she wiped one kids runny nose with a washcloth, then a little later used it to wipe jelly off the next oldest kids face, and the kid called her on it! Even a third freakin' grader knew better! Quarantining a sick kid in their room and taking the usual sanitation precautions, not an option in that household. You'd think someone suspicious of vaccinations, would make double sure they didn't need one if they could.
Except for the vaccination situation, my grandniece is well cared for. Her mom is a bit of a neurotic (she had a very traumatic childhood) but both parents love her to pieces. It's their fanatical lifestyle that concerns me. And, I can't help but wonder what will happen if, once their daughter gets more exposure to the big, outside world, she decides that austere vegan lifestyle just isn't for her. I readily admit that I hope she turns out to be just as big a rebel as I was.
3catwoman3
(23,971 posts)..in the trenches. I will offer you what I call my Fever 101 lecture (pun intended). I have given this information to worried parents more times than I can count in my now lengthy career.
First point - fever, in and of itself, is seldom dangerous. The 2 times that it is are not related to infection, which is quite fascinating. Those 2 times are heat stroke and malignant hyperthermia, which is a bad reaction to an anaesthetic gases. There are dangerous illnesses accompanied by fever, but it is the illneses that are dangerous, not the fever.
Second point - fever has benefits. It slows down germ growth and speeds up white blood cell production. There is thinking among immunologists and infectious disease docs that over-management of fever may result in illnesses lasting longer because we are interfering with the bodys attempt to heal itself.
Third point - the goal of fever management is to bring the temp down enough to feel more comfortable, but not necessarily down to normal. We want the fever to do its work, but not to feel miserable while it does.
Fourth point - 102 is NOT high in a young child. 104 is. Someone above gave the excellent information that her pediatrician said behavior is always a huge factor. That is absolutely correct. If kids are what I call hot and happy, it is perfectly OK to just watch. Intervene when they get cranky. Fever reducers usually start Wednesday raking in abut 30 minutes.
Fifth point - Tylenol can be dosed at 4-6 hour intervals, and Motrin at 6-8. I would not recommend giving Motrin every 4 hours. The using both approach has rather fallen out of favor as there is potential for overdosing, and advising the use of two agents adds to fever phobia, making the situation sound so dire that a single medication is not enough. It is sometimes still recommended for fever of 105 or for kids prone to febrile seizures. Not for 102. Febrile seizures occur in about 4% of kids, and are scary but, happily, usually do not cause harm.
Sixth point - if a child perks up on either Tylenol or Motrin, that is very reassuring. If there is a serious diagnosis like meningitis, over-thecounter fever reducers aint gonna do it.
Your nieces situation sounds well within typical illness patterns. Fevers can lead up to 5 days before peds folks start to worry that we need to do a lot of investigating, as long as the child continues to perk up when the fever reducer is given. count 24 hour periods from onset of symptoms, not the names of the days of the week. A child who develops a fever at 10 PM on a Monday night has not had a fever for 3 days at noon on Wednesday - not yet 48 hours. It is important to count properly, so as not to worry too soon that something has lasted too long.