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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsOklahoma Republican Declares That Rape Is The "Will Of God."
http://churchandstate.org.uk/2017/04/oklahoma-republican-declares-that-rape-is-the-will-of-god/If Oklahoma state GOP Rep. George Faught has his way, rape will be on the path to being legal in the state. At least thats what rapists are hoping for after Faught made a frightening statement on the subject during a debate on House Bill 1549, which restricts abortion.
Democratic Rep. Cory Williams masterfully cornered Faught during the hearing by asking him if he believes rape and incest are the will of God since the legislation has no exceptions for either, meaning women would be forced to give birth to their rapists baby.
Faughts reply is absolutely appalling and demonstrates once again why women should never vote for Republicans, especially Republicans who want to base our laws on the Bible.
Well, you know, if you read the Bible, theres actually a couple circumstances where that happened, Faught said. The Lord uses all circumstances. I mean, you can go down that path, but its a reality unfortunately.
RELATED - The article referenced below covers patriarchal religion's long advocacy of rape, incest, child rape, child marriage, and denial of bodily autonomy/forced pregnancy and childbirth aka SLAVERY for all human females - which began before the advent of slavery but continues to this day:
Reproductive Rights and the Long Hand of Slave Breeding
https://www.thenation.com/article/reproductive-rights-and-long-hand-slave-breeding/
TheBlackAdder
(28,182 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,661 posts)or the will of me - just like rape is the will of the rapist and God hasn't a damn thing to do with it?
atreides1
(16,071 posts)Because if there is no one there to prevent it from happening, then God must have intended it to happen!!!
ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)In fact, this is the case most of the damned time.
Whiskeytide
(4,461 posts)... resulting pregnancy from a rape is the will of god, not the actual rape. Still a shitty, misogynistic position to take, but a little far fetched to say he wants to legalize rape. We dont need to be as hyperbolic as they are.
Bettie
(16,086 posts)are convinced that rape is always the fault of the victim.
So, yeah, they tend to think rape shouldn't be a crime, because it was "caused" by the person who was raped. It's all the fault of those loose women tempting the menfolk, you know.
Whiskeytide
(4,461 posts)... that rape should not be a crime, or maybe should be reduced to a misdemeanor. And he likely is the kind of guy who would blame rape victims. He is GOP. But he didnt say what is being attributed to him - at least not this time. I just think we should be more accurate in our criticisms.
Lochloosa
(16,063 posts)hyperbolic? HORSE SHIT!
Whiskeytide
(4,461 posts)... bad enough without making up a false narrative.
Wounded Bear
(58,634 posts)so, yeah, I think a bit of hyperbole in this case is warranted.
Maru Kitteh
(28,333 posts)Faught obliged and stated that rape and incest are Gods will because God is sovereign over all activities that happen.
Its a great question to ask. And, obviously if it happens in someones life, it may not be the best thing that ever happened, but so youre saying that God is not sovereign with every activity that happens in someones life and cant use anything and everything in someones life and I disagree with that.
So, the "activity" of rape (and incest) IS the will of his god. That is exactly what he said.
Fuck your god, buddy.
Whiskeytide
(4,461 posts)... Im not defending him. Im just looking at what he said. He did not advocate for the legalization of rape as the report claims.
He was being asked why he would not support an exception in the proposed anti-abortion law for rape and incest. In that context, hes saying that a rape that results in a pregnancy - thereby being relevant to the legislation at issue and the question he was asked - is part of his gods will.
That is the position of an asshole, certainly. And its the position people like him have to take to reconcile the blatant inconsistency in their anti-abortion position.
But at no point did he say that rape should not be a crime. He may believe that, but he didnt say it, and the Oklahoma rapists are not expecting to have charges dropped because of him. Its pure hyperbole to make that claim.
We dont have to twist what they say when they say this kind of stupid shit.
Maru Kitteh
(28,333 posts)he said.
Read the words. He said it. That's all I'm saying. I said nothing about the author's comment on him wanting to make rape legal. Not one word.
But he actually did say that the "activity" of rape is god's will.
Whiskeytide
(4,461 posts)... clearly he has a seriously screwed up mindset. The context of the question and the subject do suggest that the rape hes referring to is one resulting in a pregnancy. He thinks that if a rape occurs and the woman gets pregnant, thats gods plan and should not be questioned. Hes really not saying that rape generally is gods will.
I would hate to live in that Fd up head, though. He must really hate the women in his life.
Collimator
(1,639 posts). . . Not when we actually occupy the higher ground.
At no point did the unfortunate Republican from Oklahoma actually "Declare" rape to be the will of God. His responses were intended to convey that general idea that (his) God is in charge of everything and that even bad things are allowed to happen because God allows it or tacitly "wills" it.
A person can offer a critique of the choice of wording in the OP's title thread without tacitly approving of the Oklahoma legislator's belief system or insinuating that rape isn't a serious concern.
For the record, I think that the "God wills everything good or bad belief" system is dangerous and I also know that other people with more liberal political beliefs who still lean towards magical thinking espouse a similar line of reasoning. (If you can call it that.)
Some people believe in the "Law of Attraction". Others will state that "The Universe is unfolding as it should." Bible-believers subscribe to the idea in Romans 8:28 "And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose", for themselves and can point to a host of other verses that basically mean that if it happened, then it is God's Will.
People who think like that are not only a serious threat (no hyperbole needed) to women's reproductive rights but also to the well-being and progress of the human race at large. They see everything through the prism of a book that posits absolutes and that has -- in essence-- already recorded the end of the world.
Even when such people promote policies that seem to be directed to helping people in the here and now, they have one foot in the Biblical agenda. That particular stripe of Christian is the sort that should be questioned about "dual loyalty", not Muslim Americans or Jewish Americans or Catholic Americans such as JFK.
To address the point that legislator doesn't think that rape is a crime, it needs to be understood that the Bible treats rape as a crime against property, not a woman's personhood. Furthermore, the real danger is that--with the passage of some sorts of laws-- a rapist could claim parental rights of a sort over the outcome of his violent attack on someone. I want to believe that an outcome like this is also a ridiculous hyperbolic alarm. Unfortunately, laws granting legal personhood to a fertilized egg and DNA technology could lead us in that direction.
Let's just cross our fingers that I am being absurd.
Crunchy Frog
(26,579 posts)We need to hold this guy to his statement.
Maru Kitteh
(28,333 posts)Faught obliged and stated that rape and incest are Gods will because God is sovereign over all activities that happen.
Its a great question to ask. And, obviously if it happens in someones life, it may not be the best thing that ever happened, but so youre saying that God is not sovereign with every activity that happens in someones life and cant use anything and everything in someones life and I disagree with that.
So, the "activity" of rape (and incest) IS the will of his god. That is exactly what he said.
ancianita
(36,017 posts)This is male pharasaic bullshit. The very holier-than-thou types Jesus spoke against.
from Matthew 23:
4 They pile heavy burdens on peoples shoulders and wont lift a finger to help. 5 Everything they do is just to show off in front of others. They even make a big show of wearing Scripture verses on their foreheads and arms, and they wear big tassels[a] for everyone to see. 6 They love the best seats at banquets and the front seats in the meeting places. 7 And when they are in the market, they like to have people greet them as their teachers.
8 But none of you should be called a teacher. You have only one teacher, and all of you are like brothers and sisters. 9 Dont call anyone on earth your father. All of you have the same Father in heaven. 10 None of you should be called the leader. The Messiah is your only leader. 11 Whoever is the greatest should be the servant of the others. 12 If you put yourself above others, you will be put down. But if you humble yourself, you will be honored.
Traildogbob
(8,709 posts)So still birth babies and miscarriages are the will of God, correct? He commits abortion, so Texas, should he face the death penalty?
Traildogbob
(8,709 posts)I know your answere. You can't indict a "Sitting" God right, as per The law of Barr.
NewDayOranges
(692 posts)Hopefully this shmuck has been voted out of office!
OKNancy
(41,832 posts)Fortunately none of his nutty ideas go anywhere
Maru Kitteh
(28,333 posts)Especially in this environment of rapidly (or shall I say rabidly) increasing anti-female legislation.
Mrs. Ted Nancy
(462 posts)Ilsa
(61,692 posts)a person's soul, IMO. It violates a woman in every way we are told we are special, that our sexuality is precious.
marble falls
(57,063 posts)PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,841 posts)is that the will of god also?
snort
(2,334 posts)Kind of like Orcs, Pinocchio and flying carpets.
irisblue
(32,961 posts)Poppycockps://www.daytondailynews.com/news/state--regional-govt--politics/ohio-lawmaker-seeks-change-some-cases-legal-rape-your-spouse/018BAlvzhXIxI8BmyA6ZKJ/
snip--But Ohio has an exemption that treats certain encounters between spouses differently than if two people were unmarried. For example, if a husband drugs his wife and then rapes her, it would not fall under the states marital rape statute.
snip--Boggs, D-Columbus, and state Rep. Laura Lanese, R-Grove City, introduced the legislation Monday.{Added to remove that portion of the law}
snip--Prosecutors take all allegations of rape with the utmost seriousness, but these cases present particular problems regarding proof because it happens between a husband and wife in private and there is often little or no evidence, Louis Tobin, the groups executive director, said in an email to this news organization.
Lanese said she believes such fears of he-said/she-said are poppycock.
More at article. Since the 'Heartbeat Bill was signed last week, I am honestly not sure this was removed from Ohio statute
DallasNE
(7,402 posts)For those that believe God's hand guides your every move then this is a logical conclusion. God ordained the rape. But that also means that God ordained that you have 12 drinks and then go out and cause someone to be kill in a car crash at the fault of being drunk. That is an ugly God.
But it is illogical to think that people have no free will. The 10 Commandments support free will thinking with an admonishment listing a series of "shall" statements and goes contrary to God's hand guiding your every move.
The "Related" comment in the top post points to a contamination that sanctifies very ugly, violent acts so there is a little something for everyone and the Oklahoma Representative walks right into it and rightly is roundly criticized for his statement.
rzemanfl
(29,556 posts)Freethinker65
(10,009 posts)A useful "Christian" male idiot
BillyBobBrilliant
(805 posts)could possibly ever recognize as valid, or especially worship a 'god' that would do that.
IrishEyes
(3,275 posts)bobbieinok
(12,858 posts)Pre-planned and pre-determined by god.
Under Albert Mohler, president of the SoBaptist seminary in Louisvile and the de facto 'pope' of the SBC, the convention and its seminaries have been totally taken over by Calvinism
Lucky Luciano
(11,253 posts)Karadeniz
(22,492 posts)territory. Its divine spark/son/soul takes the godly nature to other territiries. The Father does not interfere.
These people are morons who wouldn't see Jesus ' message if it were printed on their glasses.
no_hypocrisy
(46,072 posts)world wide wally
(21,740 posts)worked out so well.
Hekate
(90,633 posts)IcyPeas
(21,857 posts)Remember when he said this?
SANTORUM: Well, you can make the argument that if she doesnt have this baby, if she kills her child, that that, too, could ruin her life. And this is not an easy choice. I understand that. As horrible as the way that that son or daughter and son was created, it still is her child. And whether she has that child or doesnt, it will always be her child. And she will always know that. And so to embrace her and to love her and to support her and get her through this very difficult time, Ive always, you know, I believe and I think the right approach is to accept this horribly created in the sense of rape but nevertheless a gift in a very broken way, the gift of human life, and accept what God has given to you. As you know, we have to, in lots of different aspects of our life. We have horrible things happen. I cant think of anything more horrible. But, nevertheless, we have to make the best out of a bad situation.