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Tue Apr 16, 2019, 12:58 PM

Oklahoma Republican Declares That Rape Is The "Will Of God."

http://churchandstate.org.uk/2017/04/oklahoma-republican-declares-that-rape-is-the-will-of-god/

Women should get as far away from Oklahoma as soon as possible because Christian Sharia law is about to make their lives a living hell.

If Oklahoma state GOP Rep. George Faught has his way, rape will be on the path to being legal in the state. At least that’s what rapists are hoping for after Faught made a frightening statement on the subject during a debate on House Bill 1549, which restricts abortion.

Democratic Rep. Cory Williams masterfully cornered Faught during the hearing by asking him if he believes rape and incest are the “will of God” since the legislation has no exceptions for either, meaning women would be forced to give birth to their rapist’s baby.

Faught’s reply is absolutely appalling and demonstrates once again why women should never vote for Republicans, especially Republicans who want to base our laws on the Bible.

“Well, you know, if you read the Bible, there’s actually a couple circumstances where that happened,” Faught said. “The Lord uses all circumstances. I mean, you can go down that path, but it’s a reality unfortunately.”


RELATED - The article referenced below covers patriarchal religion's long advocacy of rape, incest, child rape, child marriage, and denial of bodily autonomy/forced pregnancy and childbirth aka SLAVERY for all human females - which began before the advent of slavery but continues to this day:

Reproductive Rights and the Long Hand of Slave Breeding

https://www.thenation.com/article/reproductive-rights-and-long-hand-slave-breeding/

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Reply Oklahoma Republican Declares That Rape Is The "Will Of God." (Original post)
CousinIT Apr 2019 OP
TheBlackAdder Apr 2019 #1
The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #2
atreides1 Apr 2019 #31
ProudLib72 Apr 2019 #3
Whiskeytide Apr 2019 #4
Bettie Apr 2019 #6
Whiskeytide Apr 2019 #7
Lochloosa Apr 2019 #9
Whiskeytide Apr 2019 #11
Wounded Bear Apr 2019 #15
Maru Kitteh Apr 2019 #10
Whiskeytide Apr 2019 #14
Maru Kitteh Apr 2019 #17
Whiskeytide Apr 2019 #37
Collimator Apr 2019 #24
Crunchy Frog Apr 2019 #13
Maru Kitteh Apr 2019 #18
ancianita Apr 2019 #28
Traildogbob Apr 2019 #34
Traildogbob Apr 2019 #35
NewDayOranges Apr 2019 #5
OKNancy Apr 2019 #8
Maru Kitteh Apr 2019 #12
Mrs. Ted Nancy Apr 2019 #25
Ilsa Apr 2019 #16
marble falls Apr 2019 #19
PoindexterOglethorpe Apr 2019 #20
snort Apr 2019 #21
irisblue Apr 2019 #22
DallasNE Apr 2019 #23
rzemanfl Apr 2019 #26
Freethinker65 Apr 2019 #27
BillyBobBrilliant Apr 2019 #29
IrishEyes Apr 2019 #30
bobbieinok Apr 2019 #32
Lucky Luciano Apr 2019 #33
Karadeniz Apr 2019 #36
no_hypocrisy Apr 2019 #38
world wide wally Apr 2019 #39
Hekate Apr 2019 #40
IcyPeas Apr 2019 #41

Response to CousinIT (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 12:59 PM

1. Only to people who have a "GOD Complex." Which still makes it a crime.

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Response to CousinIT (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 01:01 PM

2. If I kicked his ass for saying that, would it be the will of God,

or the will of me - just like rape is the will of the rapist and God hasn't a damn thing to do with it?

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #2)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 03:41 PM

31. Yes it is!!

Because if there is no one there to prevent it from happening, then God must have intended it to happen!!!

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Response to CousinIT (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 01:02 PM

3. In this instance "God" equals "White Male Patriarchy"

In fact, this is the case most of the damned time.

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Response to CousinIT (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 01:05 PM

4. To be clear, he's saying that a ...

... resulting pregnancy from a rape is the will of god, not the actual rape. Still a shitty, misogynistic position to take, but a little far fetched to say he wants to legalize rape. We don’t need to be as hyperbolic as they are.

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Response to Whiskeytide (Reply #4)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 01:11 PM

6. Most of the people who use this kind of language

are convinced that rape is always the fault of the victim.

So, yeah, they tend to think rape shouldn't be a crime, because it was "caused" by the person who was raped. It's all the fault of those loose women tempting the menfolk, you know.

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Response to Bettie (Reply #6)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 01:16 PM

7. Agreed. He probably does believe ...

... that rape should not be a crime, or maybe should be reduced to a misdemeanor. And he likely is the kind of guy who would blame rape victims. He is GOP. But he didn’t say what is being attributed to him - at least not this time. I just think we should be more accurate in our criticisms.

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Response to Whiskeytide (Reply #4)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 01:17 PM

9. We need to jump up and down and scream this out.

hyperbolic? HORSE SHIT!

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Response to Lochloosa (Reply #9)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 01:19 PM

11. But scream it correctly. What he said is ...

... bad enough without making up a false narrative.

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Response to Whiskeytide (Reply #11)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 01:47 PM

15. I'm reasonbly certain he's one of those "man can't rape his wife" types...

so, yeah, I think a bit of hyperbole in this case is warranted.

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Response to Whiskeytide (Reply #4)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 01:19 PM

10. To be clear he actually DID say rape is the will of "god"

“You are proffering a divine intervention as the reason why you won’t do that and so I think it is very important,” Williams said before demanding Faught repeat his answer again. “This body wants to know — and myself personally — whether you believe rape and incest are actually the will of God.”

Faught obliged and stated that rape and incest are God’s will because God is sovereign over all activities that happen.

“It’s a great question to ask. And, obviously if it happens in someone’s life, it may not be the best thing that ever happened, but — so you’re saying that God is not sovereign with every activity that happens in someone’s life and can’t use anything and everything in someone’s life and I disagree with that.



So, the "activity" of rape (and incest) IS the will of his god. That is exactly what he said.


"it may not be the best thing that ever happened"



Fuck your god, buddy.

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Response to Maru Kitteh (Reply #10)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 01:45 PM

14. You need to understand that ...

... I’m not defending him. I’m just looking at what he said. He did not advocate for the legalization of rape as the report claims.

He was being asked why he would not support an exception in the proposed anti-abortion law for rape and incest. In that context, he’s saying that a rape that results in a pregnancy - thereby being relevant to the legislation at issue and the question he was asked - is part of his god’s will.

That is the position of an asshole, certainly. And it’s the position people like him have to take to reconcile the blatant inconsistency in their anti-abortion position.

But at no point did he say that rape should not be a crime. He may believe that, but he didn’t say it, and the Oklahoma rapists are not expecting to have charges dropped because of him. It’s pure hyperbole to make that claim.

We don’t have to twist what they say when they say this kind of stupid shit.

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Response to Whiskeytide (Reply #14)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 01:54 PM

17. I am merely correcting your assertion that he did not say rape is the will of god. It's exactly what

he said.

Read the words. He said it. That's all I'm saying. I said nothing about the author's comment on him wanting to make rape legal. Not one word.

But he actually did say that the "activity" of rape is god's will.



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Response to Maru Kitteh (Reply #17)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 04:12 PM

37. I'll agree that his words said it that way. And ...

... clearly he has a seriously screwed up mindset. The context of the question and the subject do suggest that the rape he’s referring to is one resulting in a pregnancy. He thinks that if a rape occurs and the woman gets pregnant, that’s god’s plan and should not be questioned. He’s really not saying that rape generally is god’s will.

I would hate to live in that F’d up head, though. He must really hate the women in his life.

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Response to Whiskeytide (Reply #14)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 02:37 PM

24. Agree with you that it is not necessary to hit people over the head with hyperbole. . .

. . . Not when we actually occupy the higher ground.

At no point did the unfortunate Republican from Oklahoma actually "Declare" rape to be the will of God. His responses were intended to convey that general idea that (his) God is in charge of everything and that even bad things are allowed to happen because God allows it or tacitly "wills" it.

A person can offer a critique of the choice of wording in the OP's title thread without tacitly approving of the Oklahoma legislator's belief system or insinuating that rape isn't a serious concern.

For the record, I think that the "God wills everything good or bad belief" system is dangerous and I also know that other people with more liberal political beliefs who still lean towards magical thinking espouse a similar line of reasoning. (If you can call it that.)

Some people believe in the "Law of Attraction". Others will state that "The Universe is unfolding as it should." Bible-believers subscribe to the idea in Romans 8:28 "And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose", for themselves and can point to a host of other verses that basically mean that if it happened, then it is God's Will.

People who think like that are not only a serious threat (no hyperbole needed) to women's reproductive rights but also to the well-being and progress of the human race at large. They see everything through the prism of a book that posits absolutes and that has -- in essence-- already recorded the end of the world.

Even when such people promote policies that seem to be directed to helping people in the here and now, they have one foot in the Biblical agenda. That particular stripe of Christian is the sort that should be questioned about "dual loyalty", not Muslim Americans or Jewish Americans or Catholic Americans such as JFK.

To address the point that legislator doesn't think that rape is a crime, it needs to be understood that the Bible treats rape as a crime against property, not a woman's personhood. Furthermore, the real danger is that--with the passage of some sorts of laws-- a rapist could claim parental rights of a sort over the outcome of his violent attack on someone. I want to believe that an outcome like this is also a ridiculous hyperbolic alarm. Unfortunately, laws granting legal personhood to a fertilized egg and DNA technology could lead us in that direction.

Let's just cross our fingers that I am being absurd.

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Response to Whiskeytide (Reply #4)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 01:29 PM

13. If a pregnancy is the will of God, then so is the act that caused it.

We need to hold this guy to his statement.

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Response to Crunchy Frog (Reply #13)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 01:55 PM

18. Plus he actually DID say the "activity" of rape IS the will of god.

“You are proffering a divine intervention as the reason why you won’t do that and so I think it is very important,” Williams said before demanding Faught repeat his answer again. “This body wants to know — and myself personally — whether you believe rape and incest are actually the will of God.”

Faught obliged and stated that rape and incest are God’s will because God is sovereign over all activities that happen.

“It’s a great question to ask. And, obviously if it happens in someone’s life, it may not be the best thing that ever happened, but — so you’re saying that God is not sovereign with every activity that happens in someone’s life and can’t use anything and everything in someone’s life and I disagree with that.



So, the "activity" of rape (and incest) IS the will of his god. That is exactly what he said.

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Response to Crunchy Frog (Reply #13)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 03:24 PM

28. I hold that his god does not "will" half the world's god-given free will to submit to another's.

This is male pharasaic bullshit. The very holier-than-thou types Jesus spoke against.

from Matthew 23:

The Pharisees and the teachers of the Law are experts in the Law of Moses. 3 So obey everything they teach you, but don’t do as they do. After all, they say one thing and do something else.

4 They pile heavy burdens on people’s shoulders and won’t lift a finger to help. 5 Everything they do is just to show off in front of others. They even make a big show of wearing Scripture verses on their foreheads and arms, and they wear big tassels[a] for everyone to see. 6 They love the best seats at banquets and the front seats in the meeting places. 7 And when they are in the market, they like to have people greet them as their teachers.

8 But none of you should be called a teacher. You have only one teacher, and all of you are like brothers and sisters. 9 Don’t call anyone on earth your father. All of you have the same Father in heaven. 10 None of you should be called the leader. The Messiah is your only leader. 11 Whoever is the greatest should be the servant of the others. 12 If you put yourself above others, you will be put down. But if you humble yourself, you will be honored.


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Response to Whiskeytide (Reply #4)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 03:50 PM

34. Will of god

So still birth babies and miscarriages are the will of God, correct? He commits abortion, so Texas, should he face the death penalty?

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Response to Traildogbob (Reply #34)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 03:52 PM

35. Never mind Texas

I know your answere. You can't indict a "Sitting" God right, as per The law of Barr.

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Response to CousinIT (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 01:10 PM

5. This is from March 2017...

Hopefully this shmuck has been voted out of office!

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Response to CousinIT (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 01:17 PM

8. This article is 2 years old

Fortunately none of his nutty ideas go anywhere

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Response to OKNancy (Reply #8)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 01:22 PM

12. Is he gone? Because if he's not, he's still a danger.

Especially in this environment of rapidly (or shall I say rabidly) increasing anti-female legislation.


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Response to Maru Kitteh (Reply #12)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 02:55 PM

25. He's been gone for six years. nt

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Response to CousinIT (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 01:53 PM

16. Rape is an assault upon a

a person's soul, IMO. It violates a woman in every way we are told we are special, that our sexuality is precious.

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Response to CousinIT (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 01:56 PM

19. Self deleted.

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Response to CousinIT (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 02:04 PM

20. Then a woman who murders her rapist,

is that the will of god also?

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Response to CousinIT (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 02:05 PM

21. It's a "Reality"

Kind of like Orcs, Pinocchio and flying carpets.

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Response to CousinIT (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 02:17 PM

22. Ohio lawmaker seeks change: In some cases 'it's legal to rape your spouse'

Poppycockps://www.daytondailynews.com/news/state--regional-govt--politics/ohio-lawmaker-seeks-change-some-cases-legal-rape-your-spouse/018BAlvzhXIxI8BmyA6ZKJ/


snip--But Ohio has an exemption that treats certain encounters between spouses differently than if two people were unmarried. For example, if a husband drugs his wife and then rapes her, it would not fall under the state’s marital rape statute.

snip--Boggs, D-Columbus, and state Rep. Laura Lanese, R-Grove City, introduced the legislation Monday.{Added to remove that portion of the law}


snip--Prosecutors take all allegations of rape with the utmost seriousness, but these cases present particular problems regarding proof because it happens between a husband and wife in private and there is often little or no evidence,” Louis Tobin, the group’s executive director, said in an email to this news organization.

Lanese said she believes such fears of he-said/she-said are “poppycock.”


More at article. Since the 'Heartbeat Bill was signed last week, I am honestly not sure this was removed from Ohio statute

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Response to CousinIT (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 02:27 PM

23. The Slippery Slope Of Christianity

For those that believe God's hand guides your every move then this is a logical conclusion. God ordained the rape. But that also means that God ordained that you have 12 drinks and then go out and cause someone to be kill in a car crash at the fault of being drunk. That is an ugly God.

But it is illogical to think that people have no free will. The 10 Commandments support free will thinking with an admonishment listing a series of "shall" statements and goes contrary to God's hand guiding your every move.

The "Related" comment in the top post points to a contamination that sanctifies very ugly, violent acts so there is a little something for everyone and the Oklahoma Representative walks right into it and rightly is roundly criticized for his statement.

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Response to CousinIT (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 02:57 PM

26. So the guy below charged with 100 counts is blessed, right?

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Response to CousinIT (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 03:01 PM

27. Something tells me this ass has never read the Bible, he has others interpret it for him

A useful "Christian" male idiot

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Response to CousinIT (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 03:31 PM

29. There is no way I

could possibly ever recognize as valid, or especially worship a 'god' that would do that.

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Response to CousinIT (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 03:35 PM

30. It is sad that this POS has two sons and a daughter. What a scumbag!

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Response to CousinIT (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 03:49 PM

32. This is 'classic Calvinist predestination'. Ie, everything that happens is pre-planned by

Pre-planned and pre-determined by god.

Under Albert Mohler, president of the SoBaptist seminary in Louisvile and the de facto 'pope' of the SBC, the convention and its seminaries have been totally taken over by Calvinism

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Response to CousinIT (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 03:49 PM

33. Translation: this fucknut is guilty of rape. nt

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Response to CousinIT (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 03:56 PM

36. Once again, here's the Christian teaching: the Father/God/Source doesn't leave its

territory. Its divine spark/son/soul takes the godly nature to other territiries. The Father does not interfere.

These people are morons who wouldn't see Jesus ' message if it were printed on their glasses.

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Response to CousinIT (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 04:19 PM

38. Ah, the expert witness who eluded the Crosby trial . . . . . .

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Response to CousinIT (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 04:22 PM

39. So, who exactly is an example of how well forcing a woman to carry her rapists beby

worked out so well.

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Response to CousinIT (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 04:41 PM

40. Which god would that be, *hole? Certainly not mine.

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Response to CousinIT (Original post)

Tue Apr 16, 2019, 04:54 PM

41. Rick Santorum to Rape Victims: Make the Best out of a Bad Situation

Remember when he said this?

SANTORUM: Well, you can make the argument that if she doesn’t have this baby, if she kills her child, that that, too, could ruin her life. And this is not an easy choice. I understand that. As horrible as the way that that son or daughter and son was created, it still is her child. And whether she has that child or doesn’t, it will always be her child. And she will always know that. And so to embrace her and to love her and to support her and get her through this very difficult time, I’ve always, you know, I believe and I think the right approach is to accept this horribly created — in the sense of rape — but nevertheless a gift in a very broken way, the gift of human life, and accept what God has given to you. As you know, we have to, in lots of different aspects of our life. We have horrible things happen. I can’t think of anything more horrible. But, nevertheless, we have to make the best out of a bad situation.



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