If You Live In Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania or Minnesota

[LovingA2andMI]

Your States were Directly Targeted By The RUSSIANS and The Two States That Had REPUBLICAN GOVERNORS and SECRETARY OF STATE'S --- The targeting worked as Trump's Russian Hacks handed him Michigan and Wisconsin -- Pennsylvania had a Democratic Governor (Tom Wolf) but IT APPEARS (If You Are From Pennsylvania Feel Free To Update In The Comments) The SOS Is APPOINTED and nearly Minnesota too yet the only reason this did not occur is that Minnesota had a DEMOCRATIC Governor and Secretary of State.

The Mueller Report - Page 148:



It is time for CONGRESS to IMPEACH DONALD J. TRUMP!!! It's Time for Nancy Pelosi to let Congress (The U.S. House) DO THEIR JOB!!! The People of Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, must demand such!!!

[NewJeffCT]

1. and Minnesota

was too close for comfort - Clinton only won it by 1.5%, or 45,000 votes.

[LovingA2andMI]

2. Fair Point!

[pazzyanne]

26. Since I live in rural Minnesota I was sweating bullets during the election in 2016.

Thank goodness Minnesota did not go for tRump. On the other hand, tRump is already targeting Minnesota for 2020. I will do anything in my power to prevent Minnesota falling to tRump. I really hate his form of politics!!!

[SMoss]

46. Russian tampering

In MN the trolls didn't change enough votes, 45,000 short.

[CharleyDog]

58. "we miscalculated. oops. We'll do better in 2020."

[TheRealNorth]

64. Facebook was awful in 2016

I completely stopped using it.

[Mister Ed]

3. While here in Minnesota, we had a Democratic Secretary of State.

A thoroughly ethical Secretary of State, dedicated to the principle of fair elections. And serving under a Democratic governor.

[GusBob]

4. I will push the envelope

If you live in those states and had you vote influenced by the Russians you are a traitor to our nation

[LovingA2andMI]

10. Fair Point....

And the Voters that Voted For Hillary WERE HACKED Period and WE ARE PISSED!!!

[zipplewrath]

19. Hacked?

I'm old enough that I've watched the definition of this word morph over time. What do you mean by "hacked"? How do I "hack" a person?

[bearsfootball516]

29. There are some posters here who believe Russia hacked the voting machines and changed the votes

Of course, there's literally no proof of this, but they'll stand to it nonetheless.

[LovingA2andMI]

48. Can either one of you READ....

Try again. Mueller Report, pp 148, linked above.

[bearsfootball516]

60. I did read it.

It says the Russians worked to influence voters in key swing states, which we've known for a long time.

There's still nothing about Russians hacking voting machines and changing votes.

[LovingA2andMI]

65. Where is the word "Influenced" used....

In the text above.

We'll wait.....

[MichMan]

74. I must have missed the part in the report stating that voting machines were hacked & votes flipped

Can you show me where it specifically says that is what occurred ?

[zipplewrath]

75. Read the whole page

And the one before and after
Still not sure what your definition of "hacked" is.

[dflprincess]

76. I'm one of those who have no doubt they did just that.

But it's one of those things that will be hidden from us "for the good of the country". (Like Nixon undermining the Paris Peace Talks - how long did it take for that to go public?)

Do you really think Putin would be content to take a chance on just running a disinformation campaign?

[meow2u3]

12. Don't blame me. I wasn't fooled by russkie manipulation

Sadly, enough Pennsylvanians were taken in by russkie propaganda to taint the vote.

[TexasBushwhacker]

39. Black voters were also conned into not voting in Michigan n/t

[Demit]

17. I think that goes way too far.

People had no way of knowing that what they were reading was coming from Russia. Please avoid hyperbole like that.

[GusBob]

18. Barr stated today

No American citizens knowingly colluded with Russia.

Key word is knowingly. If you were stupid enough to fall for their trolling spam or gaslighting you are a stooge who is a traitor to this great nation.

That is my opinion and I will state it when I want, how I want, and where I want. As longs it aint against the rules of this forum

[lagomorph777]

21. Barr lied. That's not what Mueller says.

[Autumn]

33. You believe Barr? Knowing that he lied in his summary to protect Trump?

[MichMan]

59. Are you referring to John Podesta?

He was one that fell for a spam phishing email and supplied a password

[pazzyanne]

30. So nice that you support states that are fighting against tRump and his cabal.

Minnesotans like me fought hard to keep our state in the Democratic column. Your support is needed badly. Please don't throw hard working people under the bus.

[Tech]

5. We dems are aware, and the corruption continues

Koch brothers are evil. Vo s and Fitzgerald need to be gone.

[Rene]

6. Ensure those states have different/new i/p addresses for their servers

They need to have new url's so the vote counting is not 'switched' to alternate server and rogue code/pgm with duplicate name...doesn't flip votes then bogus data gets switched back to original code. It's easy to do/script if you know that initials server address. (things I've learned from supporting software that schedules batch jobs on distributed servers)

[triron]

7. The Russians manipulated the election results with hacking.

[LovingA2andMI]

11. BINGO!!!!

[meow2u3]

8. Pennsylvania had a Democratic governor and Sec. of State in 2016

But prior to 2014, we were stuck with "One Term" Tom Corbett (R). Gov. Tom Wolf (D-PA) apparently was unaware of the fact the repukes helped the russkies rig the voting machines and/or voter rolls before he was elected (suspicion is mine).

[LovingA2andMI]

13. Correction Noted....

[MelissaB]

9. K&R

[FakeNoose]

14. Yes Pennsylvania had unexplained anomalies in 2016

Thanks to our Governor Tom Wolf (D) - reelected in 2018 - we will have all new secure electronic voting machines installed before the 2020 election. The only thing better than that would be paper ballots, but our Governor decided against it. It's been along hard fight against the Repukes' cheating in our state. But hopefully we've turned a corner in 2018.

[Trenzalore]

15. Pennsylvania had a Democratic Governor and Sec of State in 2016

Governor Wolf was elected in 2014.

[LovingA2andMI]

16. Thank You!!

We have corrected it in the O.P. However, It Still Appears The State was HACKED by the Russians, Trump and Manafort.

[coti]

20. Huh. And Trump just so happened to win 3 of those 4 states.

And the Russians had also been hacking into the election systems of all 50 states. Hmmm.

[CaptYossarian]

44. There are a lot of racist rednecks here in rural Wisconsin who bought into Trump's BS.

I hear that rural Pennsylvania is just as bad and we all know about the Michigan militia-types from the OKC bombing.

[LovingA2andMI]

49. SLOW THE Road...

Trump "won" Michigan by 10,763 votes allegedly. The CLOSEST total in the Presidential Election in the past 50 years in the State. As for "Michigan militia-types", where did you get this? Got a link where "Michigan milita-types" threw an election to Trump in 2016?

We'll wait.....

[CaptYossarian]

70. No. Your state got an unfortunate reputation from a couple of idiots a quarter century ago.

I apologize for the slam. Both our states went for the orange goon because Hillary didn't campaign well enough.

[ProudMNDemocrat]

22. We use Paper Ballots here....

Hard to hack a printed paper ballot.

I have been an Election Judge since 2006.

[geardaddy]

56. Yep, I've only seen paper ballots here in MN for as long as I remember voting.

Since 1992.

[watoos]

23. Pa here,

The machines I voted on suck. Every time I voted I asked for a receipt and never got one, not that it would have mattered. No paper trail at all.
We need paper ballots

[mountain grammy]

42. Agree!

[uponit7771]

24. NO NO NO !!! The Russians just wanted that data so they can "look around" and do nothing !!!

Cause that's what some were arguing on DU to damn near to a post!!!

[coti]

32. As innocent as two Russian agents on vacation in Salisbury

Just minding their own business, looking for a cathedral!

[uponit7771]

35. +1

[llmart]

25. I have said this from day one.

Michigan's results were illegal. The votes were hacked. I will say that until my dying day.

Do we have a contingent of imbecilic Trumpsters like every other state? Most assuredly we do, but the majority of Michigan voters wanted Hillary.

[Eliot Rosewater]

27. Votes were fucked with, period.

SOMETHING was done.

[33taw]

28. I live in rural WI. I always vote using a paper ballot for audit purposes.

I will continue to do so and recommend that everyone else do the same. It takes longer, but it is more reliable in a recount.

[watoos]

31. Machines in Wisky are definitely rigged.

[33taw]

71. Brown and Outagamie County are really bad. Dems need to push people to vote with paper ballots.

[33taw]

72. At least we have a Dem SOS and Governor now.

[Maine-i-acs]

34. T. took last minute campaign swings there too, once he knew the fix was in

and then the tell, he mentioned those states specifically in his bragfest of rallies.

we knew the Russians tried to hack nearly every state. but these are only what we found out about. what did they successfully hack that we could not find out about OR STATE OFFICIALS WERE COMPLICIT

[cp]

36. Wisconsin's Secretary of State was (and is) Doug LaFollette, a Democrat

Even though we did have Wanker, failed presidential candidate, as governor.

As far as I know, Russia tried to hack Wisconsin's voting system, but were not successful. Wouldn't rule out some electronic skullduggery of some votes, for example as happened when Kathy Nickolaus, Waukesha County Clerk, "found" 7,500 votes for the Republican in the 2011 Wisconsin Supreme Court race.

From what happened in 2016, and is still happening with Russia, every state needs to massively beef up our election security.

[inwiththenew]

37. I guess they figured there were enough idiots in Ohio that they didn't need to get involved

Just let it happen naturally.

[Ohiogal]

45. Ohio had that big voting roll purge.

Rethugs figured that put them over the top here.

[DeminPennswoods]

38. I'm in Pennsylvania

Our gov and the heads of the executive agencies like Sec of State are Dems.

There were no anomolies. Dems don't like to admit it, but Clinton simply did not campaign much at all outside the big cities of Philly and Pittsburgh. In fact, if Clinton had gotten the same amount of votes in just a few counties as Atty Gen'l Shapiro, she'd have won here. The fact is, Clinton was well-known here and there were lots of people who simply did not like her and did not vote for her.

[LovingA2andMI]

51. How to we know....

Considering pp 148 of the Mueller Report. Seriously?

[DeminPennswoods]

66. Served on an election board

Anyone who has done similarly knows how the voting process works and the checks and balances available to the parties and/or candidates. I don't think we do ourselves any favors by indulging in unrealistic theories.

[LovingA2andMI]

67. Served on a Election Board...

On Tuesday, November 7, 2016, it is assumed? If not, the theory is not unrealistic and have to wonder why some on DU are playing down the Mueller Report to "justify" their "own" position. #ThingsThatMakeOneUmmUmm

[bearsfootball516]

73. It's not worth explaining in some cases.

For some posters, conspiracy theories hold more weight than common sense.

[Still In Wisconsin]

40. I've lived in Wisconsin for 53 years... people here are really fucking stupid!

My in-laws are prime examples: they're supposed "old school conservatives" and family values Republicans who became absolutely ARDENT Trump-humpers largely on the basis of bullshit Facebook "news" stories and Fox News. You can't fix stupid; the Russians know this, so of course they're going to target this state with massive amounts of pro-Trump propaganda. Scott Walker was only too happy to play along.

[CaptYossarian]

47. They probably got intel from Reince Priebus--the link between Walker and Trump.

He fed Manafort, which went to Putin's ear.

His orange jumpsuit will be considerably smaller than Trump's.

[dflprincess]

41. Minnesota also has paper ballots and, more importantly, same day registration.

My niece had to reregister at the polls on election day though, at the time, we thought it might be a screw up as she changed her name (but had re-registered) right after the 2014 election. Now I wonder.

[saidsimplesimon]

43. A2, we must stand with the midwest

or let the knuckledraggers reign, it's our choice, fight or flight. imo

[LovingA2andMI]

52. Agreed...

We cannot allow Hacking either and considering in Michigan our Governor, Attorney General and Secretary of State are now Democrat, it is a belief they will fight tooth and nail to ensure we have a FAIR Presidential Primary and General Election vote count in 2020.

[stillcool]

50. no one ever checked the vote totals..

after the election, it was said like a mantra, that the vote tallies had not been tampered with..but no one checked.

[catbyte]

53. Oh, I KNOW that Michigan was stolen. The exit polls & "official" results were too far out of whack.

The fix was in. All they had to do was flip a few votes from a few crucial precincts and I will believe to my last breath that's just what they did. And they made doubly sure that fix was in when the recount started. The Michigan recount showed Clinton was making startling gains and maybe they didn't flip enough votes, so REPUBLICAN Attorney General bill scheutte sued to halt the recount. On election night, asshole was 13.7K votes ahead of Clinton, but it was reduced to 10.7K when scheutte stopped it. 10.7K votes out of almost 8M cast.

"Scheutte on Duty" (his lame ass slogan) indeed.

[LovingA2andMI]

57. Yep....

This definitely happened in Michigan on Tuesday, November 8, 2016. Right on point!

[tiredtoo]

54. Michigan Resident

In discussions both prior too and after the elections i came to the conclusion Russia was affective in depressing the African American vote here.

[LovingA2andMI]

55. Most Definitely....

Agree. That is another part of the Collusion to suppress the African-American and Minority Votes to help Trump Steal an election done on behalf of the Russians and Paul Manafort -- with Trump 1000% in Collusion with the scheme.

[Awsi Dooger]

61. Other than Pennsylvania, we did not view those as battleground states

That was the stupidity. I'm not going to accept an evil explanation when the more likely one was negligence. Those states may have Democratic recent history but they also have 85-91% whites in the electorate. That made them extremely vulnerable to the promise-anything crap that Trump was peddling regarding jobs returning to various declining industries.

I've mentioned many times that those states are right on the bubble of the national number regarding self-identified liberals and conservatives. The nation had 9% more conservatives than liberals in 2016. Those 4 states each had between a 6-9% gap. Sorry, but that makes them legitimate battleground states. They are not like California or New York with tons of margin for error due to more liberals than conservatives. Once a state is in that range nearby the national ideology then it is incredibly fragile and can shift several points based on national mood of the moment, or candidate vs. candidate.

The Russian propaganda was everywhere and influencing those scared non-college educated whites who have been shifting away from us anyway. Once there is an established trend then the bottom line can be far beyond the projection. That's what happened in 2016. We knew the so-called working class vote was a problem but we idiotically relied on prior guidelines and assumed it couldn't shift too far too fast, especially in friendly states.

Yes, it could. Once Florida election expert Steve Schale paused on election night 2016 and had a very lengthy gap between twitter posts, I knew something was very wrong. Once he finally returned and reported that Trump was pulling unprecedented numbers in 47 different Florida counties -- all the rural counties -- I knew that this dynamic would attach everywhere, and that the unthinkable had become a certainty.

We gave away 2016. If we continue to view it as theft we'll give away subsequent elections than should be won via competent messaging. I have no idea why we don't have an ongoing media campaign right now designed to keep down Trump's poll numbers. Just a one minute segment, like Keith Olberman's "Worst Person in the World" type of thing. Something anticipated every night. Heck, Tom Steyer could fund it and be the host. Detail the latest Trump atrocity, or something that Republicans are doing to damage the typical American.

If we wait until fall 2020 nothing good will happen.

[exboyfil]

63. Good analysis about Florida

I saw the same in Iowa.

[delisen]

68. Democrats lost seats steadily from 2010 onward-they were

battleground. The fee that these were. states comprising a blue wall in 2016 is simply false.

It comes from compare presidential elections only and ignoring the changes taking place over 4+ election cycles within each decade and the extreme importance of who gets to control re-apportionment.

[exboyfil]

62. The Des Moines Register poll had Trump by 7 percent

He ended up winning the state by 10 percent. I have no doubt believing that it was that close in Minnesota by votes. Too many people were turned off by the coverage of both candidates and defaulted to the GOP. Comey probably sealed the deal.

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/iowa-poll/2016/11/05/iowa-poll-trump-opens-7-point-lead-over-clinton/93347134/

[ZillyZap]

69. THIS is why Mueller threw the book at Manafort.

I betcha' that Manafort refused to admit the real purpose for sharing the data.

He had a neat story, Kilimnik was his long time partner working on Ukrainian elections. Sharing the data was a natural gesture.

What could Manafort have added?

1) Did he know that Kilimnik, a Ukrainian had Russian Intel connections?

2) Was he meeting with Kilimnik at the behest of Trump?

3) Did Kilimnik pass the campaign data to Russian Intel?

If Manafort had flipped on Trump re: those 3 questions, we'd have a different report today.

[rockfordfile]

77. There's a state missing out of that and it's Florida

The Little Moscow in Florida exist because of Republicans.