Mueller delivered an impeachment case with ribbon and a bow

[kpete]

Last edited Thu Apr 18, 2019, 03:43 PM - Edit history (1)

*and* reminded Congress that the Constitution places the responsibility to act on it squarely on them.

Mueller team determined "not to apply an approach that could potentially result in a judgment that the President committed crimes." However, they would've said so if they had "confidence ... the President clearly did not commit obstruction of Justice" and they're not saying so.

Reading these together, Mueller is effectively saying "we concluded the President intentionally obstructed justice, but, because we can't indict him, we also can't say that explicitly in this report, and so we instead urge Congress to impeach him for it."

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

UPDATED TO INCLUDE:

The Mueller Report Is an Impeachment Referral
The special counsel has concluded he can neither charge nor clear the president. Only Congress can now resolve the allegations against him.

Mueller has now delivered 10 credible allegations of obstructive behavior on the part of the president. For all of Trump’s bluster, those claims are now a matter of public record, and will hang over his presidency, despite the decision of his own appointee to clear him in the matter.

Article:
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/04/mueller-report-impeachment-referral/587509/

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. Bingo, GMTA.

He laid out all the facts showing how Trump tried to obstruct justice (and the fact that he didn't always succeed is meaningless - it's still obstruction even if it failed) and dumped the whole thing in Congress' lap.

[kentuck]

2. That is the only constitutional way to get rid of a sitting President.

The DOJ cannot indict him. And neither can any other Dept of government.

[coti]

5. Sure they could, the "policy" (which isn't really a policy because it was never applied) could be

changed. There's nothing solid actually stopping them. Mueller did choose, though, to follow the closest (utterly indefensible) guideline he could find.

Regardless, that obviously should be changed.

[lagomorph777]

9. False. The constitution explicitly allows criminal proceedings.

True, I suppose technically the party so convicted might be able to rule from his jail cell, but he could be removed from the White House. The only thing ( quasi-"legally" ) blocking that is a very shaky DOJ OLC memo (not the Constitution, not a statute, not even a real policy).

Article 1, Section 3:

"Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law."

[Volaris]

11. Everything you bolded is predicated on being REMOVED from office FIRST;

meaning, either election loss or term limitation, OR impeachment and conviction to remove.

Now, there is also a question of statute of limitations. Ive heard arguments that the clock is running.

Personally, I think that clock should be PAUSED for an Office that CANNOT BE OTHERWISE INDICTED, and resumes running once that office is vacated.

Seems unfair to blind lady justice to be able to abuse the Office as a means to run out the clock.

[lagomorph777]

23. Wrong: the Constitution is silent on sequence; the language is INclusive, not EXclusive.

[coti]

14. Seems like, if you're in jail, you probably have to resign the Presidency.

Just like any other job. Or be considered unable to perform the job, and removed by the 25th Amendment. Or, impeached after the fact.

In any case, a jailed President is going to have a hard time being President, and shouldn't be President anymore. In which case, the Vice President takes over. That's what the VP is for!

Just because a person has a job- even a job with a WHOLE LOT of responsibility- it doesn't mean they can't go to jail. The whole stupid argument is ridiculous.

[lagomorph777]

24. +1

[Cattledog]

3. What page is this from?

[kpete]

7. pages 213 & 214

https://www.scribd.com/document/406729844/Mueller-Report

[Cattledog]

8. Thanks!

[mr_lebowski]

4. It's also saying 'we were never going to accuse POTUS of criminal conspiracy in this report'

Because of the fact that a Sitting POTUS cannot be indicted per DoJ guidelines, and DoJ guidelines also direct that persons who WON'T be indicted for a given crime should not be accused of committing that given crime ... there was never actually ANY potential for the Mueller Report to claim that POTUS was involved in a criminal conspiracy with Russians.

[Baitball Blogger]

6. I hope we don't shout ourselves in the foot with the

By also passing the buck saying, well, we have to wait for the Republicans to tell us they agree on impeachment.

[Mc Mike]

10. Impeach.

Take it right through 2020, take out complicit repug senators with it.

[llmart]

12. Impeach him ASAP!

We need to contact our Dems in massive numbers to tell them we support immediate impeachment. NPR said "the Democratic voters are more concerned with kitchen table issues than impeaching". That bimbo even said that nothing would probably happen unless we call for it in massive numbers. So, I guess I'll be contacting our Congressional Dems as soon as possible.

They need to hear from us.

[Hekate]

21. Contact the GOP officeholders instead of our Dems.

Dems already know -- just have their backs, okay? Hammer on the Repubs, who are afraid of mean tweets feom Teump and afraid of the minority MAGAts.

[llmart]

22. Not sure all Dems know that.

For example: Hoyer.

[Blue_Tires]

13. I knew deep down that the "Victory Lap" celebrated by Trump, the media

and his useful idiots on the left was going to blow up in their fucking faces like napalm...

I knew deep down that Mueller wasn't totally inept and was playing his cards close to his vest...

I knew deep down that even an overly redacted report would have enough smoking guns against Trump to equip a Hollywood movie set...

I'm so happy I could cry right now. I can't ever put into words how much of a weight has been taken off my mind.

[rockfordfile]

15. Mueller didn't question Trump. Not face to face on a serious issue and investigation.

Stop making excuses for Mueller. Trump colluded with Rush and Mueller just whitewashed it.

[Blue_Tires]

19. So now Congress can question him, then...

And this Mueller report is a "whitewash" now? Mueller is the whitewasher and not Barr? We must be reading two different reports, brother...


(try a little harder next time, because this isn't my first dance)

[TexasBushwhacker]

16. But with the current Senate

we cannot successfully impeach Trump, so should we even try? I'd rather just whoop his ass in 2020.

[mshasta]

17. ...and the congress fk up

by saying no impeachment is worth it...

[dalton99a]

18. Kick

[Hekate]

20. Kicking this

[Baltimike]

25. knr

[Generic Other]

26. If Congress fails to act they are obstructing justice too

We hold the right accountable for their deplorable behavior, but we also have to hold ourselves accountable as well. If we give in to bullies and Russian bots, we are servile dogs who pretty much surrendered without a fight.

[Generic Other]

27. There I made a meme

[MadDAsHell]

28. Mueller is a Rethuglican. Nt