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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHouse Majority Leader: [Hoyer] "Impeachment is not worthwhile at this point"
well, is this the word from the House Dem Leaders?
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/robert-mueller-report-public/index.html
11 min ago
House Majority Leader: "Impeachment is not worthwhile at this point"
From CNN's Dana Bash
House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, a Democrat from Maryland, told CNN there is nothing he has seen so far in special counsel Robert Mueller's report that would change the House leadership strategy to avoid impeachment proceedings.
Based on what we have seen to date, going forward on impeachment is not worthwhile at this point. Very frankly, there is an election in 18 months and the American people will make a judgement, Hoyer said.
coti
(4,612 posts)Hoyer often makes bad decisions, though.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)And that's speaking from the same abysmal ignorance you share. Hoyer, not god, knows what we do not.
coti
(4,612 posts)Because I have a hard time imagining things being much worse than with this corrupted asshole.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)are having trouble directing Trump. Plutocrat classes. Religious/theocratic right. Neofascists. White supremacists and nationalists. They're so far getting most of what they want through Trump, especially their choices of court appointments, but far from all, and he constantly endangers their plans.
We currently have 200 million registered voters, versus approximately 70 thousand ultrawealthy families, only some of whom approve establishing a faux democracy like Russia's. They fear us. Divide and conquer has been their hugely winning strategy, but they know it could fail. Pence is their man.
still_one
(91,951 posts)in the Senate.
I understand some people want to go through the process regardless, but the reality is that at this time it isn't going to accomplish what some people think it will. People's minds are NOT going to be changed by an impeachment that won't end in a conviction.
However, the House continuing to investigate by calling Mueller and others to testify under oath, can have an impact on things, change the dynamics significantly where impeachment may become feasible, but more importantly expose the corruption of Trump and the republican party
coti
(4,612 posts)While I understand the concerns around a President Pence, I think the completely corrupted narcissist with the maturity of an 8-year-old is doing unbelievable damage to our culture and our democracy. We're going to be lucky if we get him to ever peacefully transfer power to someone else. I think it would very tough for Pence to beat that.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Trump cannot be removed until enough senate Republicans decide removal is necessary.
We of course have moral duty and big need to get Trump out, but we need to realize what would happen then. What a competent president serving the powers controlling today's right would do and what it might lead to.
Unfortunately, the Mueller report does not seem to include additional reason for removing Pence as well, though he may still be somewhat implicated in obstruction of justice. That may mean, though, that removal is now closer to possible, knowing they would have Pence as the replacement, removing the threat of a President Pelosi that they'd fight with everything they have.
But when you think of Pence, remember the anti-regulation kleptocrat classes he serves (and his League of Conservation Voters lifetime score of 4%!), the hard-core religious right he is a full-fledged member of, the white nationalists determined to reverse 90 years of equality and civil rights laws they loathe, the rise of authoritarianism Pence strongly supports, and the conservative voters reassured and solidifying behind by what they see as a competent, moral leader as 2020 approaches. Pence is their man.
delisen
(6,039 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)knew it well. That's why they fled Germany -- they didn't share it. Do you have a planned destination?
SunSeeker
(51,368 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,110 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
DLevine
(1,788 posts)If Trump doesn't deserve impeachment, no president ever will.
honest.abe
(8,556 posts)Damn shame.
elleng
(130,136 posts)I live here most of the time, but VOTE in MoCo, so Jamie Raskin's my guy.
Good luck to us all.
honest.abe
(8,556 posts)Steney's office helped us with some fairly serious immigration issues and we are forever grateful.
elleng
(130,136 posts)My daughter's in PG, and about to move closer to me in Calvert.
Laurian
(2,593 posts)This is a dereliction of duty. Really pisses me off!
llmart
(15,499 posts)I think as citizens and voters and Democrats we need to step up and contact them. They need to hear from us. Who's with me?
spooky3
(34,302 posts)Public opinion to rise up once the facts get out. Thats what happened with watergate. Fox News and other RW media will make that more difficult than in 1974, but I think the leadership believes it will happen.
uponit7771
(90,225 posts)... other than an extremely redacted version of some shit.
How much public opinion does congress need !?!?
spooky3
(34,302 posts)Kicking Trump and friends out of office are two different things.
uponit7771
(90,225 posts)... on this issue.
Use that for impeachment, no ... FULL ... report? then get out of office.
spooky3
(34,302 posts)uponit7771
(90,225 posts)... polls are saying don't impeach right now.
There needs to be a case built and make the full Mueller report the headline.
cilla4progress
(24,587 posts)the exact same thing.
Solid arguments against impeaching right now.
PeeJ52
(1,588 posts)count the states that Republicans control both houses of legislature and secretary of state. Count the electoral votes. Watch for voter suppression when it too late to be corrected like Georgia.
watoos
(7,142 posts)But got Steny Hoyer.
Sometimes doing the right thing is hard. Impeachment if warranted should not be a political decision.
There is no guarantee that Trump loses if we dont impeach. There is no guarantee that if we impeach and dont convict that Trump will win.
PSPS
(13,512 posts)The braying for impeachment TODAY!!111!! is really silly. It will accomplish nothing and it certainly won't remove trump from office. Only conviction in the senate will do that and that won't happen with this senate. In fact, I'm not sure there are enough votes even in the house for impeachment at this point (the democrats don't hold enough seats.)
Only when enough (meaning more) public opinion turns against trump is impeachment worth pursuing, and that will take time. Simply starting impeachment proceedings thinking that "people will wake up when his criminal actions are listed" is nonsense. Now is not the time. There may be no time before the 2020 election.
Remember that a third of the senate is up for reelection in 2020 too.
No doubt about it, our system of governance is broken. For trump to happen should not have been possible. For him to stay in office also should not be happening. The system is broken and will probably never be fixed.
watoos
(7,142 posts)uponit7771
(90,225 posts)... they lie become jail birds for OoJ.
Also gives right to supoena certain documents and start other process's in regards to investigations.
Only when enough (meaning more) public opinion turns against trump is impeachment worth pursuing,
How can that happen if there's no investigations with impeachment authority ?!
thx in advance
tymorial
(3,433 posts)Shadow the blue wave mandate and could cause losing the majority in 2020. If Trump wins reelection we need the house to remain blue to hold the WH and the Senate in check.
PSPS
(13,512 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)WHY EVEN HAVE THE GODDAMNED LAW ON THE BOOKS?
PSPS
(13,512 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)and it will *ALL* come out and be part of the public record
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)tymorial
(3,433 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)ZillyZap
(50 posts)The PEOPLE must impeach Donald J. Trump.
I think it's a winning angle that will draw a MASSIVE turnout.
uponit7771
(90,225 posts)Arkansas Granny
(31,483 posts)to get him out of office? What would be the point?
watoos
(7,142 posts)uponit7771
(90,225 posts)Baltimike
(4,126 posts)Maven
(10,533 posts)This is a criminal conspiracy at the highest level, NOT something that we just "move beyond" with an election!!!
dhill926
(16,234 posts)and also what other evidence comes out in the next few weeks.
book_worm
(15,951 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)chimpymustgo
(12,774 posts)nt
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Ponietz
(2,904 posts)JCMach1
(27,544 posts)He didn't read the report if he's still saying that!
:grrr:
VOX
(22,976 posts)When one considers this reality, one can only assume that Republicans are freer and wield more power than Democrats do.
Republicans had a four-star meltdown over Obamas tan suit for Christs sake.
And now, theyre finally attaining their goals via fascism, which is no surprise, given the rightward drift of the American political landscape over the past 40 years.
Docreed2003
(16,817 posts)This...right here. "Now is not the time", "it's not worth it", "we have to keep our powder dry"
The GOP/Trumpers have just wiped their ass with the Constitution and our sides writing memos and strongly worded letters.
Fight this criminality...Please!!! Be the check on this insane asshole that you were put into office to be! This is not normal...this is not acceptable. We need your outrage Mr Hoyer, or else these fuckers will do this and worse next time.
awesomerwb1
(4,256 posts)I hope Hoyer retires in 2019. This is disheartening.
flotsam
(3,268 posts)Remember the part where you raised your hand Fuck Nuts?
lsewpershad
(2,620 posts)Should be booted out of congress