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Thu Apr 18, 2019, 08:29 PM

Striking footnote-Raises seriously the possibility of criminal liability when Trump leaves office

MUELLER, p. 390, footnote 1991: "A possible remedy through impeachment for abuses of power would not substitute for potential criminal liability after a President leaves office."




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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2019, 08:36 PM

1. Absolutely. Trump is not out of the woods

I think that's why he got so many people on record. Their testimony can and may be used in a court of law at a time TBD.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2019, 08:38 PM

2. It gives me a new fantasy

as soon as the new president finishes the oath in 2020, Federal Marshals move in and handcuff Trump right there on viewing stand.

It makes my toes tingle - though not as much as the fantasy of him being frogged marched down the White House driveway soon does.

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Response to dflprincess (Reply #2)

Thu Apr 18, 2019, 11:49 PM

7. He'll flee to Alaska and try to hide in a pod of walruses,

but we will find him when the other walruses reject him for being too ugly.

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Response to dflprincess (Reply #2)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 12:07 AM

11. This was always the most dangerous scenario for Donnie.

Also the only real scenario where he could face actual jail time. To me, given the level of entanglements and sheer number of investigations means he could be tied up in legal problems for many years after he leaves office.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2019, 09:01 PM

3. When he's fighting tooth and nail to stay in, we'll know why. nt

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Response to babylonsister (Reply #3)

Thu Apr 18, 2019, 11:32 PM

5. This is what scares me. He will do anything to stay in office and out of jail.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2019, 11:27 PM

4. He'll be mostly dead by then anyway.

What's left of him now, but a corpse of flatulating layers of dying human tissue.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2019, 11:33 PM

6. impeach then convict

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Apr 18, 2019, 11:57 PM

8. He will pardon almost everyone before he leaves office

And I would imagine he will resign shortly before he leaves and Pence will pardon him. Pence gets to be President for a week is his payoff.

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Response to madville (Reply #8)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 12:03 AM

9. What happens if he's charged with something a year after he leaves office?

Your scenario doesnít account for that. Given the depth of his business entanglements he could face years of legal problems. Sounds like the SDNY and NYAG have a lot on their plate.

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Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #9)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 12:07 AM

10. A "full pardon" ala Nixon could cover all crimes that may or may not have happened

over a period of time, at least in terms of federal charges.

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Response to tritsofme (Reply #10)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 12:29 AM

12. Ford's pardon covered Nixon for crimes committed while president.

With Trump, a lot of what the SDNY is investigating centers on things he may have done before he was president or, president elect.

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Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #12)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 12:34 AM

13. There is no practical reason a pardon could not cover the time period before taking office.

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Response to tritsofme (Reply #13)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 12:38 AM

14. Who said it couldn't?

But fords pardon covered him for crimes committed while in office. Thatís the precedent, as you pointed out.
In any event itís not the slam dunk you think it is. There would be a variety of legal opinions on whether or not Pence can pardon Donnie for something he did a decade before becoming president. Thatís just reality, like it or not.

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Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #14)

Fri Apr 19, 2019, 01:04 AM

15. I'd imagine statutes of limitations would be more an obstacle to prosecuting decades old crimes.

Than the very settled question of whether the president can issue pardons for crimes that happened decades ago, or perhaps didnít happen at all.

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